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I don't see how this might get "politically out of control", so I'll put it here. I've been considering doing a DNA test. A friend of mine had "23 and me" do his and he was very satisfied with his results. Not only did they do the normal ancestry thing, but he got back information "heads up" kinds of things about potential medical problems. Additionally, they will continue to update him as research progresses. Coincidentally, I just caught a show on tv that warned people that your information was not just used for YOUR benifit. Apparently, your information is passed along (sold) to research companies to use in scientific enquiry by companies to use in their medical research. The program stated, multiple times, that this might not be "fair" to you, because any breakthrough they have using your DNA sample, with the potential "millions of dollars in profit", won't be passed on to you. Really? Are we so selfish and profit motivated that we are going to complain that we don't directly profit monetarily from research affecting millions of people and their health? I thought that was a particularly mean spirited and greedy way to look at the practice. Am I wrong?
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I would be more concerned that health and life insurance companies might use it to set rates or of some nefarious government program. Lots of good Science Fiction becoming fact scenarios. 
We all like to think of ourselves as rugged individualists. But when push comes to shove most of us are sheep who do what we are told. Worst of all, a lot of us become unpaid agents of whoever is controlling the agenda by enforcing the current dogma on the few rugged individualists who actually exist.
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We used Ancestry to do ours as a friend was doing research for them and had some kits at a lower price. For reasons suggested by Larry we did not give permission for them to disseminate the information. I found out the obvious that I am mostly eastern European with some English and French thrown in. Jane got a surprise when it came up predominately Irish when everything they know about their family says Scotish .
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Have you ever seen the movie "Boys from Brazil" ? 
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I have contemplated having mine done but haven't as yet.Ancestry is here too.
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Have you ever seen the movie "Boys from Brazil" ?
That only works if he's Austrian. 
We all like to think of ourselves as rugged individualists. But when push comes to shove most of us are sheep who do what we are told. Worst of all, a lot of us become unpaid agents of whoever is controlling the agenda by enforcing the current dogma on the few rugged individualists who actually exist.
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If you have Facebook, a debit card, and a smart phone then anybody who wants to know anything about you already knows anyway.
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If you have Facebook, a debit card, and a smart phone then anybody who wants to know anything about you already knows anyway.
Hah! Then maybe I'm SAFE! I refuse to get a smartphone (facesucker)and still have a dumbphone. (Sorry Dave, you STILL ain't in there!) :-) Most everything I've heard about Facebook is negative, even before this last blowup. My wife tried it for a while and she told me it was a bunch of drama and lies, two things I abhore. (I find that I do miss out on some things, like birthday parties and such, but most of my family has gotten so self-absorbed that they wouldn't care about my dumba$$ anyway.) That leaves me with only my debit card, and I'm gonna tell ya, THAT'S a dry hole also!
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If you have Facebook, a debit card, and a smart phone then anybody who wants to know anything about you already knows anyway.
Hah! Then maybe I'm SAFE! I refuse to get a smartphone (facesucker)and still have a dumbphone. (Sorry Dave, you STILL ain't in there!) :-) Most everything I've heard about Facebook is negative, even before this last blowup. My wife tried it for a while and she told me it was a bunch of drama and lies, two things I abhore. (I find that I do miss out on some things, like birthday parties and such, but most of my family has gotten so self-absorbed that they wouldn't care about my dumba$$ anyway.) That leaves me with only my debit card, and I'm gonna tell ya, THAT'S a dry hole also!
Haha dude I'll keep your number forever
Always remember to be yourself. Unless you suck. Then pretend to be someone else.
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I was listening to an article about these on the radio.
Someone sent off three tests and basically got three different answers.
It was a while ago but the jist of it was it depended on markers matching what the companies had on record as their base line.
Or something.
I'm just glad I could help.
Hey, for a few quid it's a bit of fun.
Keeping your data on file forever and a day is a different matter.
If any conspiracy theorists are reading :
OBVIOUSLY these different companies that offer the service are actually a government department in a basement somewhere (no doubt Area 51) and
they use these different companies as cover to get your DNA for free (in fact you pay THEM) then they track you through sensors placed all around the country
(mainly in the buttons on ATM machines etc) to track your every move.
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"You can't believe everything you read on the internet" : William Shakespeare
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If you have Facebook, a debit card, and a smart phone then anybody who wants to know anything about you already knows anyway.
Hah! Then maybe I'm SAFE! I refuse to get a smartphone (facesucker)and still have a dumbphone. (Sorry Dave, you STILL ain't in there!) :-) Most everything I've heard about Facebook is negative, even before this last blowup. My wife tried it for a while and she told me it was a bunch of drama and lies, two things I abhore. (I find that I do miss out on some things, like birthday parties and such, but most of my family has gotten so self-absorbed that they wouldn't care about my dumba$$ anyway.) That leaves me with only my debit card, and I'm gonna tell ya, THAT'S a dry hole also!
Haha dude I'll keep your number forever
NOOOOoooooooooo......! 
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then they track you through sensors placed all around the country
(mainly in the buttons on ATM machines etc) to track your every move.
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Kind of comforting, since the wife isn't here to do that anymore. 
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then they track you through sensors placed all around the country
(mainly in the buttons on ATM machines etc) to track your every move.
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Kind of comforting, since the wife isn't here to do that anymore.
(...nice to see you've finally moved past the grieving period here, Rich) 
Yep! Just like a good Single Malt Scotch, you might call me "an acquired taste" TOO.(among the many OTHER things you may care to call me, of course)
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Mine came back as "Subhuman".
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Mine came back as "Subhuman".
BROTHER!!!
Where ya been keepin' yourself?
(...Ma's been worryin' about ya since you left the cave, ya know)
Yep! Just like a good Single Malt Scotch, you might call me "an acquired taste" TOO.(among the many OTHER things you may care to call me, of course)
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(...nice to see you've finally moved past the grieving period here, Rich)
Not so sure about that brother. Just movin forward, one day at a time.
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The have the same service for dogs. If you've ever wondered what kind of mix your mutt is the test is supposed to tell you. But I've heard of AKC registered dogs with dozens of generations of verified lineage coming back as something else. I'd take it all with a grain of salt. 
We all like to think of ourselves as rugged individualists. But when push comes to shove most of us are sheep who do what we are told. Worst of all, a lot of us become unpaid agents of whoever is controlling the agenda by enforcing the current dogma on the few rugged individualists who actually exist.
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(...nice to see you've finally moved past the grieving period here, Rich)
Not so sure about that brother. Just movin forward, one day at a time.
Yep! Just like a good Single Malt Scotch, you might call me "an acquired taste" TOO.(among the many OTHER things you may care to call me, of course)
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One of my sons did this, and he had all sorts of mixed lineage. It did however link him with a cousin of his grandfather, with whom we have made contact.
When you stop and think about it, you guys, like us are imports from generally UK stock, which was mixed with all sorts, like Celtic, Nordic, Iberian, Roman,etc, so given the rate of migration that is occurring at present, it wont be long till the gene pool of humans is totally mixed and there will not be what you could call a "pure breed".
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One of my sons did this, and he had all sorts of mixed lineage. It did however link him with a cousin of his grandfather, with whom we have made contact.
When you stop and think about it, you guys, like us are imports from generally UK stock, which was mixed with all sorts, like Celtic, Nordic, Iberian, Roman,etc, so given the rate of migration that is occurring at present, it wont be long till the gene pool of humans is totally mixed and there will not be what you could call a "pure breed".
AND, with the GOOD thing about this being that in the future a lot less of us will be suffering from Hip Dysplasia!
That's always been a problem with us pure breeds ya know, Bill.
(...in fact, OUCH, my hip is actin' up on me right this minute!) 
Yep! Just like a good Single Malt Scotch, you might call me "an acquired taste" TOO.(among the many OTHER things you may care to call me, of course)
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I was going to get a DNA test but decided not too, I was still tired from staying up all night studying for a urine test.
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I have had a couple of DNA tests done. Y DNA to test my fathers lineage. Have linked to several cousins and back to the original Hensley family that migrated to the US. Has helped quite a bit in the genealogy area.
I have noticed though that a number of people with a different last name showed up as being of Hensley paternal lineage and some with Hensley last name showed some other lineage. These are termed Non Paternity Events (NPE). Some are adoptions and others are what you might expect over the centuries.
The "family finder" type test did link me to a number of "cousins" in nearly all of my lineages. More of an interesting thing but did give me leads on a few missing ancestors in my genealogy file. Just a tool in genealogy. Have not gone into the medical testing. Am too old to worry about most of that stuff and if my kids want to know they can do the tests, I am not sure the worry is worth the potential positives from it at this point.
Long time observer of the human condition.
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One of my sons did this, and he had all sorts of mixed lineage. It did however link him with a cousin of his grandfather, with whom we have made contact.
When you stop and think about it, you guys, like us are imports from generally UK stock, which was mixed with all sorts, like Celtic, Nordic, Iberian, Roman,etc, so given the rate of migration that is occurring at present, it wont be long till the gene pool of humans is totally mixed and there will not be what you could call a "pure breed".
AND, with the GOOD thing about this being that in the future a lot less of us will be suffering from Hip Dysplasia!
That's always been a problem with us pure breeds ya know, Bill.
(...in fact, OUCH, my hip is actin' up on me right this minute!)
Dwight even us mongrels get Hip Dysplacia
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As long as you don't find any goat in there, you're probably alright.
I have no faith in human perfectability. I think that human exertion will have no appreciable effect upon humanity. Man is now only more active - not more happy - nor more wise, than he was 6000 years ago.
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As long as you don't find any goat in there, you're probably alright.
 
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Just run for office, especially against a democrat. Your entire background traced all the way to Adam will be revealed for free.
Let's hope there's intelligent life somewhere in space 'cause it's buggar all down here. -- Monte Python
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Just run for office, especially against a democrat. Your entire background traced all the way to Adam will be revealed for free.
Up to and including any and all, ahem, "DNA exchange encounters" you may have had with any porn stars TOO I presume, eh GB?!!!
Yep! Just like a good Single Malt Scotch, you might call me "an acquired taste" TOO.(among the many OTHER things you may care to call me, of course)
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Btw, Rich. Remember this very first line of yours in this thread?: Quote:
I don't see how this might get "politically out of control"....
Well dude, after GB's latest offering in this baby of yours, I think you can now see how bad you are at "predicting the future", huh!
(...especially with THIS crowd around here!!!)
Yep! Just like a good Single Malt Scotch, you might call me "an acquired taste" TOO.(among the many OTHER things you may care to call me, of course)
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Just run for office, especially against a democrat. Your entire background traced all the way to Adam will be revealed for free.
Yeah, I get that. And just think how hard it'd be to get THAT genuine birth certificate! 
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If my wife gets a DNA test maybe we can prove the kids are not hers. Oh, wait, my bad.
I can just see NSA now matching up the DNA results from the back doors of the company servers that do the testing.
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If my wife gets a DNA test maybe we can prove the kids are not hers. Oh, wait, my bad.
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Jane got a surprise when it came up predominately Irish when everything they know about their family says Scotish .
No surprize there. Scots and Irish Gaels did a lot of cross traveling to the point of being nearly interchangeable. The biggest differences are because of which Scandinavian country raided and settled the most.
Let's hope there's intelligent life somewhere in space 'cause it's buggar all down here. -- Monte Python
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Jane got a surprise when it came up predominately Irish when everything they know about their family says Scotish .
No surprize there. Scots and Irish Gaels did a lot of cross traveling to the point of being nearly interchangeable. The biggest differences are because of which Scandinavian country raided and settled the most.
Yah well I expected to see more Scandinavian blood, those Vikings knew how to sow their seeds. They spread it around even to Newfoundland.
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having one's DNA tested is as vain as calling back an unknown # phone call you missed. imho Google mini, Echo, etc... really? What ever happened to PRIVACY? What was once unthinkable is now given away for free. or actually being paid for by the folks who are being recorded. Smart technology is indeed smart now let me go spray some petrochemicals (Febreze) thinking that it eliminates odors. Holy crap. Gullible is as gullible does. Effects, of the ingredients in Febreze, listed in order of their toxicity to humans: BHT - Known as a neurotoxin, endocrine disruptor, immunotoxicity, non-reproductive organ system toxicity, skin eye and lung irritator Acetaldehyde - Known to cause cancer, toxic to reproduction and development, immunotoxin, non-reproductive organ system toxin, skin, eye and lung irritator "Fragrance" - One of the three ingredients actually disclosed, it's a neurotoxin, immunotoxin and allergen Propylene Glycol - Causes cancer, allergies, toxic to immune system, accumulates in the system, non-reproductive organ system toxin, is classified with "enhanced skin absorption" and irritates the skin, eye and lung 1,3-Dichloro-2-propanol - Carcinogenic (causes cancer) Limonene - Synthetic form used is known allergen, immunotoxin and skin, eyes and lung irritator Methyl pyrrolidone - Toxin to reproduction and development, allergen and immunotoxin, non-reproductive organ system toxin and skin, eyes and lung irritator Alcohol denatured - Also disclosed in the ingredients of Febreze, it's linked to cancer, developmental/reproductive toxicity, organ system toxicity and skin, eyes and lung irritator Butylphenyl methylpropion al - allergen, immunotoxin and and skin, eyes and lung irritator Ethyl acetate - linked to developmental/reproductive toxicity, neurotoxicity, organic system toxicity and and skin, eyes and lung irritator Geraniol - Synthetic form used linked to allergies, immunotoxicity, organi system toxicity and and skin, eyes and lung irritation Linalool - Synthetic form used is known allergen, immunotoxin, and and skin, eyes and lung irritator Benzaldehyde - neurotoxin, and skin, eyes and lung irritator Diethylene glycol monoethyl ether - non-reproductive organ system toxicity Ethylhezanol - developmental and reproductive toxin and skin, eyes and lung irritator Hexyl cinnamal - allergen, immunotoxin and skin, eyes and lung irritator And way too many more.... So what the heck, give away your privacy, drink the tea, breath in your freedom. 30 years ago I worked for a floral company owned by a Virgina tobacco company. We get you sick and send you flowers! ahahahaha No politics, as this aint nuthin but the truth. Heck we should park that 2018 speedy in the house to 'cover' up the stink of our 'methane generators'...
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We all crawled out the ocean one day...can any of us trace our ancestry back that far?
I took the Road Less Travelled.
Now where the ****** am I?
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We all crawled out the ocean one day...can any of us trace our ancestry back that far?
I've got a couple of relatives who I wish would crawl back in... 
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We all crawled out the ocean one day...can any of us trace our ancestry back that far?
I've got a couple of relatives who I wish would crawl back in...
me too!
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Golden State Killer caught using relative's DNA from genealogy websites, prosecutors say.
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So it seems that you are holding some kind of grudge against febreeze; on account of its hazardous chemical make up. Are you saying that mass febreeze use has altered the genome?
That we may all be part goat now? Or the children of Dagon? Ill have none of it. I never cared for Dagon much apart from his roudy misdemenoring he is a blood thirsty demigod that only exists as a stone statue.
Much like Ozymandious.
Ozymandias
BY PERCY BYSSHE SHELLEY
I met a traveller from an antique land,
Who said—“Two vast and trunkless legs of stone
Stand in the desert. . . . Near them, on the sand,
Half sunk a shattered visage lies, whose frown,
And wrinkled lip, and sneer of cold command,
Tell that its sculptor well those passions read
Which yet survive, stamped on these lifeless things,
The hand that mocked them, and the heart that fed;
And on the pedestal, these words appear:
My name is Ozymandias, King of Kings;
Look on my Works, ye Mighty, and despair!
Nothing beside remains. Round the decay
Of that colossal Wreck, boundless and bare
The lone and level sands stretch far away.
Mighty works indeed. Who are you and what did you do besides fall apart and be forgotten?
I have no faith in human perfectability. I think that human exertion will have no appreciable effect upon humanity. Man is now only more active - not more happy - nor more wise, than he was 6000 years ago.
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