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This is a sort of continuation from my last tyred out post.....
Thinking about history and fashion in education....I'm fine with diversity and all it entails but it seems we, in Britain
have lost confidence in our own culture and history.
Im about to do a road trip which coincidentally runs me past 2000 years of our island...from the Roman invasion,through the( allegedly) dark ages right up to the departure of the Pilgrim Fathers.
No one seems to notice or care.
Our children are crammed full of stuff which might be ideologically sound but which seems to marginalise mainstream narratives.
My own children will know more about our ' shameful' empire than about the ways we came to be who we are. They don't know about what our hill forts are,why they're there, how these were used and reused....they wont understand the relationship between land and the development of European democracy....and so, so many other things.
Worse, they don't care.....that's what really hurts...to not know where you came from is to not know who you are.
Oh well, I know and care...but have the sad suspicion that I'm of the last generation who will do so.
I took the Road Less Travelled.
Now where the ****** am I?
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I thought this post was gonna be about a CSN&Y reunion. So back to the serious stuff. 
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This is a sort of continuation from my last tyred out post.....
Thinking about history and fashion in education....I'm fine with diversity and all it entails but it seems we, in Britain
have lost confidence in our own culture and history.
Im about to do a road trip which coincidentally runs me past 2000 years of our island...from the Roman invasion,through the( allegedly) dark ages right up to the departure of the Pilgrim Fathers.
No one seems to notice or care.
Our children are crammed full of stuff which might be ideologically sound but which seems to marginalise mainstream narratives.
My own children will know more about our ' shameful' empire than about the ways we came to be who we are. They don't know about what our hill forts are,why they're there, how these were used and reused....they wont understand the relationship between land and the development of European democracy....and so, so many other things.
Worse, they don't care.....that's what really hurts...to not know where you came from is to not know who you are.
Oh well, I know and care...but have the sad suspicion that I'm of the last generation who will do so.
Our children in public schools aren't taught much of our true cultural/historical heritage either and unfortunately a lot of what is taught has been re written to satisfy the PC groupthink crowd..
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I could right a book on this, but lets just say I agree.
The sad thing is when we do not learn from history we are bound to repeat it.
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For a few years I helped my daughter by getting her children off to school when she left for work. I was shocked looking at their school books, very little History, mostly PC B.S. about our failings, not much on our advances. Our Education system needs an overhaul.
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I thought this was going to be about CSN&Y too. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aP_62s9RW9EGeorge Carlin explains some of it IMO.It's about America but applies to the UK,Europe, Australia the same. Forgive me if I've posted it before but it did hit a nerve with me. Again IMO it seems the "dumbing down" of youth is almost a conscious act.
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Teaching children about the truly important stuff is best done at home.
I have no faith in human perfectability. I think that human exertion will have no appreciable effect upon humanity. Man is now only more active - not more happy - nor more wise, than he was 6000 years ago.
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Well IMHO the important stuff includes how our forefathers settled in America and through hard work,blood, sweat and tears built a great world to live in. Nothing was free and a man had to work to survive. What a novel idea in this day and age.
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Many years ago I read Winston Churchill's "History of the English Speaking Peoples." A four volume set that detailed our shared history well prior to the days of political correctness. It was very readable and interesting. I would recommend it to anyone wanting a non pc view of history.
We all like to think of ourselves as rugged individualists. But when push comes to shove most of us are sheep who do what we are told. Worst of all, a lot of us become unpaid agents of whoever is controlling the agenda by enforcing the current dogma on the few rugged individualists who actually exist.
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As a child I read the lot....it's now deeply unfashionable.....not ideologically sound apparently.
I currently own a beautiful three volume set of Runcimans history of the Crusades( an interest of mine). This to me remains the best researched, most informed account of the entire Crusades and history of the subsequent kingdom of Jerusalem ....but as it's written from a Eurocentric position, I bet it's not on any current syllabus.
Shame all my later literature is by comparison weak and filtered through a lens of a worldview which I don't share.
I took the Road Less Travelled.
Now where the ****** am I?
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Well IMHO the important stuff includes how our forefathers settled in America and through hard work,blood, sweat and tears built a great world to live in. Nothing was free and a man had to work to survive. What a novel idea in this day and age.
...and stomping the snot out of the indians! 
I learned all I need to know about life by killing smart people and eating their brains.
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Spain showed us the Template, in South America. 'Cept they found more Gold and a bunch of indig experienced miners, after they jumped on all the ready to haul home Precious Metals.
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Well IMHO the important stuff includes how our forefathers settled in America and through hard work,blood, sweat and tears built a great world to live in. Nothing was free and a man had to work to survive. What a novel idea in this day and age.
Yes, but I was leaning toward morals, values, religion, how to act in social settings, how to treat people, as such.
Then schools should teach math, and history, and how to learn complex subject material types of stuff.
I have no faith in human perfectability. I think that human exertion will have no appreciable effect upon humanity. Man is now only more active - not more happy - nor more wise, than he was 6000 years ago.
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Yes, I tend to agree with you.....strangers can't give moral values to your kids.
Only you can.
My life seems sadly out of synch with modern stuff.
I don't mind but I do fear for our next generation.
No moral compass.....many of them.....they probably think I'm a relic but I live as I was as taught.. because I believe it's
Essential to live in harmony with your beliefs.
In my professional life as a shrink most of the problems people came to me with were because their beliefs didn't fit with their behaviours.
I took the Road Less Travelled.
Now where the ****** am I?
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Well IMHO the important stuff includes how our forefathers settled in America and through hard work,blood, sweat and tears built a great world to live in. Nothing was free and a man had to work to survive. What a novel idea in this day and age.
...and stomping the snot out of the indians!
If I assume you are tongue in cheek on that you may want to read "The Inconvenient Indian" by Thom Green
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Many years ago I read Winston Churchill's "History of the English Speaking Peoples." A four volume set that detailed our shared history well prior to the days of political correctness. It was very readable and interesting. I would recommend it to anyone wanting a non pc view of history.
One of my all time favorite reads. It sits in a prominent place in my library.
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