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Buick used to have some great muscle cars ...
I've had 40-odd cars and only really regret selling two them (ok, three - Chrysler 300C - but I've got one again now), one was my 88" SWB Land Rover Series III.
The second I regret selling was my '72 Riviera. Sooo practical on UK roads 
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Yea Dog, There is still argument about what was faster the Mopar Hemi's or the Buick 455's. Buick still sells a Hot Regal but I have never drove one.
You forget the tripower Pontiacs too.
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My business model? Well I'm certainly not rich but very comfortable thank you.
Then you've made wise choices. Pontiac, not so much...they could only sell half of the cars they built at the end.
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I had me a Black on Black 69 Pontiac Grand Prix with the then new Radial Tuned Suspension, I would love to have that one back in the same condition.
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Yea Dog, There is still argument about what was faster the Mopar Hemi's or the Buick 455's. Buick still sells a Hot Regal but I have never drove one.
A hot new Regal? Their top engine is a 4-cylinder 2.0L turbo Max horsepower=259 max torque=295. Meanwhile even Ford's Fusion is available with 325 horsepower and 380 lbft torque.
The 1964 Pontiac GTO started the whole mid size muscle car class and all the other divisions followed later. Big block high compression Buick GS455s were 45 years ago.
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My business model? Well I'm certainly not rich but very comfortable thank you.
Then you've made wise choices. Pontiac, not so much...they could only sell half of the cars they built at the end.
Best choice I ever made was marrying the right woman, 30 years this June!
Remember all of GM was lost at that time and their domestic model line was ridiculous. Oldsmobile, Pontiac, Saturn, Hummer, GMC, Buick, Chevrolet and Cadillac! 8 franchises was insane.
GM actually should have terminated every line except Chevrolet and Cadillac. The 2-line has proven successful for most manufacturers. Ford/Lincoln, Honda/Acura, Toyota/Lexus, Nissan/Infiniti, VW/Audi etc.
By keeping Buick they are also forced to keep GMC trucks because most Buick dealers need GMC and cannot survive as a stand alone Buick franchise.
Chrysler took a different approach when they replaced the Dodge trucks brand with the RAM brand this enabled any Dodge, Chrysler or Jeep dealer to pickup the RAM franchise and sell trucks instead of just Dodge dealers.
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Mr. Outerbanks, We all like the "Goat"but do you know it was not Pontiac's fastest offering in 64? The 421 Catalina holds that honor.
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Mr. Outerbanks, We all like the "Goat"but do you know it was not Pontiac's fastest offering in 64? The 421 Catalina holds that honor.
And you do know the only reason the GTO did not have the same Pontiac 421 engine was because of GM's no V8 over 400cid in any midsize or smaller car corporate policy at that time. This was part of GM's official antiracing rule, the exception was of course the Corvette. It's also why Oldsmobile cheated and created the Hurst/Olds claiming it's 455 V8 was installed by outside company Hurst and then sold through Oldsmobile dealerships. Ahhh... Corporate politics.
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Pontiac had the 389 Tripower. Ford was 3 francises For , Lincoln, Mercury.
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Pontiac had the 389 Tripower. Ford was 3 francises For , Lincoln, Mercury.
Yes, when we were dating my wife owned 1969 Mercury Cyclone GT 351 4-bbl 4-speed white with red interior. She sold it to buy her new 1984 Mercury Capri RS 5.0L 5-speed.
But by the end of the 1990s Mercury had been starved of product development because Ford was wasting resources on their foreign Premier Auto Group (Jaguar, Aston Martin, Rover and Volvo) that cost too much to buy and renovate and never made a return on the investment. Meanwhile Mercury and Lincoln got the leftovers and Mercury existed simply as a volume brand to keep Lincoln dealers open. Dumb ass Jacques Nasser lost billions on those foreign brands, money that should have gone back to Ford, Lincoln and Mercury thankfully Alan Mulally took over just in time to save the company.
Edit: Midline car companies like Mercury and Buick don't really make as much sense as they used to because the standard Ford or Chevrolet can be loaded with luxury options or a top of the line model with premium trim that approaches the level of Lincoln or Cadillac. So there's no gap for a midline car to fill anymore. Hell, I never thought I'd see the kind of luxury equipment on a pickup truck that an F150 Limited has, then again I never thought I'd see a $60,000 pickup truck either.
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Pretty sure the Mercury Cyclone GT had the 390 not the 351. I was 16 when they were sold and my neighbor had one, it was my dream car. Maybe my neighbors car was optioned up to the 390 but I thought it was standard in the GT and GTA Cyclones. I could be wrong, it happened a few times before. DUH
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I have had some great muscle cars, wish I would have kept them. 71 LeMans Sport, 66 Impala SS convertible 427 4spd, 70 (I think) Challenger, limited edition AMX with a number on the dash with the big block 4spd, that AMX was a monster, would pull the front wheels about 2' off the ground. I have a pic somewhere of me burning out with it and the wheels off the ground and body twisting.
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Dog, I've been a gear head all my life, great memories. I really liked my 340 Darts, fooled a lot of guys with those. Sold my last Hot rod about 6 Yr's ago, it was a 1964 Comet I built as a B/FX car from the 60's. Wimbleton White with the Red interior, bubble hood and roll bar. Now you can just buy a new car that would blow my doors off.DUH
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Pretty sure the Mercury Cyclone GT had the 390 not the 351. I was 16 when they were sold and my neighbor had one, it was my dream car. Maybe my neighbors car was optioned up to the 390 but I thought it was standard in the GT and GTA Cyclones. I could be wrong, it happened a few times before. DUH
We (well she at that time) owned the car and yes the 351 was one of a number of available engines for the Cyclone GT in 1969. As a matter of fact the 302 was the base engine. In 69 the GT was an appearance package on the fastback but it also included upgraded suspension springs, stabilizer bar and shocks. Our car also had power front disc brakes but I'm not sure if they were part of the GT package or an additional option. Strangely the Nascar special aero front end Cyclone Spoiler II Dan Gurney and Cale Yarborough specials all came with only the 351. But in 69 the Cyclone CJ got most of the attention with it's 428 Cobra Jet engine.
Here is a video of an original with the standard 302
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It sounds like financially at this time, the move to halt Victory makes sense, although I wonder how much sustainability there is in a very retro bike like the Indian. I thought that the whole idea of Victory and Indian in the Polaris stable was to create some diversification to cater to two crowds - buyers that might have gone to Harley but want another American option, and buyers that seek a real vintage looking bike.
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.... Now you can just buy a new car that would blow my doors off.DUH
Yes but like the man said in the movie "If I buy a new Ferrari then I would be a self centered A--H--- BUT If I buy a classic Ferrari that makes me a connoisseur."
By the numbers her '14 Mustang Premium Convertible 305hp V6 will run the 1/4 mile in 14 flat which is as good as many big block 60's muscle cars the handling and braking are no comparison, all while getting 31 miles per gallon on the highway. But roll up in a clean 1968 Mustang convertible and see which car everyone gathers around...
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It sounds like financially at this time, the move to halt Victory makes sense, although I wonder how much sustainability there is in a very retro bike like the Indian. I thought that the whole idea of Victory and Indian in the Polaris stable was to create some diversification to cater to two crowds - buyers that might have gone to Harley but want another American option, and buyers that seek a real vintage looking bike.
When Victory was launched I thought why build only big air cooled V-Twin cruisers that are obviously aimed at the Harley Davidson market. Why not offer a modern sport or adventure bike? When John Bloor relaunched the new Triumph he did it with sport bikes not the classic air cooled parallel twins, they came later by popular demand. But like the press statement from Polaris said Victory has failed to gain enough market share remaining in the 2 to 3 percent range. They went straight at the monster and didn't make a dent because it was obvious they were trying to copy/follow the leader. Basic hit them where they ain't tactics might have served Victory better. Look, If Harley Davidson built an exact copy of a Honda 1000RR sport bike enthusiasts still wouldn't buy it because of the Harley Davidson brand name...and when Honda builds a lame copy of a V-twin Harley cruiser well Harley riders ain't interested in rice. This was the gap Victory could have filled but when the strategy failed Polaris bought some heritage cred with the Indian name.
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When Victory was launched I thought why build only big air cooled V-Twin cruisers that are obviously aimed at the Harley Davidson market. Why not offer a modern sport or adventure bike? When John Bloor relaunched the new Triumph he did it with sport bikes not the classic air cooled parallel twins, they came later by popular demand. But like the press statement from Polaris said Victory has failed to gain enough market share remaining in the 2 to 3 percent range. They went straight at the monster and didn't make a dent because it was obvious they were trying to copy/follow the leader. Basic hit them where they ain't tactics might have served Victory better. Look, If Harley Davidson built an exact copy of a Honda 1000RR sport bike enthusiasts still wouldn't buy it because of the Harley Davidson brand name...and when Honda builds a lame copy of a V-twin Harley cruiser well Harley riders ain't interested in rice. This was the gap Victory could have filled but when the strategy failed Polaris bought some heritage cred with the Indian name.
You make some good points here, OB. But remember, H-D did for a while offer a sport bike line, the one bearing the Buell name, but because the H-D crowd are almost exclusively cruiser riders, that joint venture failed. And so it wasn't just the sport bike crowd who failed to support that venture.
The advantage that the Triumph concern has over pretty much all other motorcycle manufacturers is that it not only covers a wide and varied spectrum of motorcycle styles geared for street riding, but that in general it has succeeded in selling all these different styles to the public, such as the market successful modern "Naked" Speed and Street Triples, the 675 Daytona sport bike, the "Adventure" line Tigers, the VERY successful "Retro" Bonneville line and to some degree even the "Cruiser" line.
And while of course their total sales figures don't come even close to those of H-D's, I believe what this shows about Triumph and especially about their customers and customer base, is that they in general can not be "pigeon-holed" into thinking of the brand in only one specific way.
And I don't think you can say this about any other motorcycle brand to any great degree. And, because Victory's origins seemed to be solely based upon the thought of taking a percentage of H-D's cruiser crowd away from the The Motor Company's potential cruiser customer base and not the thought of a more varied lineup, I believe this doomed this effort from the get-go.
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When Victory was launched I thought why build only big air cooled V-Twin cruisers that are obviously aimed at the Harley Davidson market. Why not offer a modern sport or adventure bike? When John Bloor relaunched the new Triumph he did it with sport bikes not the classic air cooled parallel twins, they came later by popular demand. But like the press statement from Polaris said Victory has failed to gain enough market share remaining in the 2 to 3 percent range. They went straight at the monster and didn't make a dent because it was obvious they were trying to copy/follow the leader. Basic hit them where they ain't tactics might have served Victory better. Look, If Harley Davidson built an exact copy of a Honda 1000RR sport bike enthusiasts still wouldn't buy it because of the Harley Davidson brand name...and when Honda builds a lame copy of a V-twin Harley cruiser well Harley riders ain't interested in rice. This was the gap Victory could have filled but when the strategy failed Polaris bought some heritage cred with the Indian name.
You make some good points here, OB. But remember, H-D did for a while offer a sport bike line, the one bearing the Buell name, but because the H-D crowd are almost exclusively cruiser riders, that joint venture failed. And so it wasn't just the sport bike crowd who failed to support that venture.
The advantage that the Triumph concern has over pretty much all other motorcycle manufacturers is that it not only covers a wide and varied spectrum of motorcycle styles geared for street riding, but that in general it has succeeded in selling all these different styles to the public, such as the market successful modern "Naked" Speed and Street Triples, the 675 Daytona sport bike, the "Adventure" line Tigers, the VERY successful "Retro" Bonneville line and to some degree even the "Cruiser" line.
And while of course their total sales figures don't come even close to those of H-D's, I believe what this shows about Triumph and especially about their customers and customer base, is that they in general can not be "pigeon-holed" into thinking of the brand in only one specific way.
And I don't think you can say this about any other motorcycle brand to any great degree. And, because Victory's origins seemed to be solely based upon the thought of taking a percentage of H-D's cruiser crowd away from the The Motor Company's potential cruiser customer base and not the thought of a more varied lineup, I believe this doomed this effort from the get-go.
All very true, but to be honest a Buell with a 90 horsepower pushrod Sportster engine in a sport bike chassis just doesn't impress the Honda rider with a 160 horsepower 12,000 RPM race motor. Well not enough for him to consider making the switch and that's the customer Buell was apparently trying to win. It certainly wasn't us knuckle dragger cruiser geezers. And the dealer's didn't know what to do with Buells except deep discount them off the floor.
Triumph has done great diversifing their line and is truly competitive in every segment of the market. But somehow I think the cruisers are a bit neglected and Thunderbird especially needs to be updated.
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Triumph is not doing well in the lucrative cruiser market, cruisers do not fit the Triumph heritage. Just like Harley can't sell Hot Rod bikes, Triumph struggles to sell cruisers. I think the America with the 1200 would have sold, but it seems Triumph don't think so.
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Then you've made wise choices. Pontiac, not so much...they could only sell half of the cars they built at the end.
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Triumph is not doing well in the lucrative cruiser market, cruisers do not fit the Triumph heritage. Just like Harley can't sell Hot Rod bikes, Triumph struggles to sell cruisers. I think the America with the 1200 would have sold, but it seems Triumph don't think so.
I have to disagree with that, they never made a factory cruiser but there are countless Triumphs modified as such by owners, as well as choppers and bobbers.
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Triumph is not doing well in the lucrative cruiser market, cruisers do not fit the Triumph heritage. Just like Harley can't sell Hot Rod bikes, Triumph struggles to sell cruisers. I think the America with the 1200 would have sold, but it seems Triumph don't think so.
I have to disagree with that, they never made a factory cruiser but there are countless Triumphs modified as such by owners, as well as choppers and bobbers.
Actually Triumph Meriden never made adventure bikes or anything like a Speed Triple or Rocket III either.
What we're seeing is a logical concentration on updating the best selling models first.
Triumph has an excellent powertrain in the Thunderbird/Storm and the new 1200 Bonneville so the expensive part is already done. They've got to concentrate on style and quality of material fit and finish to progress in the cruiser market. It's entirely possible if they make a commitment.
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Triumph is not doing well in the lucrative cruiser market, cruisers do not fit the Triumph heritage. Just like Harley can't sell Hot Rod bikes, Triumph struggles to sell cruisers. I think the America with the 1200 would have sold, but it seems Triumph don't think so.
I have to disagree with that, they never made a factory cruiser but there are countless Triumphs modified as such by owners, as well as choppers and bobbers.
Actually Triumph Meriden never made adventure bikes or anything like a Speed Triple or Rocket III either.
What we're seeing is a logical concentration on updating the best selling models first.
Triumph has an excellent powertrain in the Thunderbird/Storm and the new 1200 Bonneville so the expensive part is already done. They've got to concentrate on style and quality of material fit and finish to progress in the cruiser market. It's entirely possible if they make a commitment.
I still think in the next couple years we will see a 1200 2 up cruiser from Triumph. I cannot believe they would be putting so much effort into the Bobber and not have a 2 up version of it. It may not be called and America or Speedmaster, but it will be and evolution from these cruisers. Just my thoughts.
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I still think in the next couple years we will see a 1200 2 up cruiser from Triumph. I cannot believe they would be putting so much effort into the Bobber and not have a 2 up version of it. It may not be called and America or Speedmaster, but it will be and evolution from these cruisers. Just my thoughts.
I hope they do it in time for my retirement. (Which in itself is wishful thinking I suppose) I'm really gonna want a middle sized cruizer when I grow into my "old man legs", and I'd really like it to be at least a 1000 CC displacement from Triumph. Heck, who knows, maybe Indian will have a "mid" model out by then. Just in case,though, I'm covering my bets and keeping all my Triumph leathers and stuff.
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I still think in the next couple years we will see a 1200 2 up cruiser from Triumph. I cannot believe they would be putting so much effort into the Bobber and not have a 2 up version of it. It may not be called and America or Speedmaster, but it will be and evolution from these cruisers. Just my thoughts.
I hope they do it in time for my retirement. (Which in itself is wishful thinking I suppose) I'm really gonna want a middle sized cruizer when I grow into my "old man legs", and I'd really like it to be at least a 1000 CC displacement from Triumph. Heck, who knows, maybe Indian will have a "mid" model out by then. Just in case,though, I'm covering my bets and keeping all my Triumph leathers and stuff.
Wait a sec here, Rich. So what designation would you ascribe to the Indian Scout with its 1133cc displacement?
Seems a "mid-size" motorcycle to me in the present parlance, anyway.
(...and considering that I come from an era when a 650cc Triumph Bonneville was considered a "big" bike back in the day)
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The scout is a very nice motorcycle with lots of power and comfort.
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The scout is a very nice motorcycle with lots of power and comfort.
I know, Ron. I rode one when the Indian demo truck stopped at one of the dealerships down in the Phoenix area and when the Scouts were first introduced.
I thought it very capable machine, however the one thing I didn't care for about it was that I felt because of the footpeg location, I grounded them in turns much sooner than I would have expected.
(...and surprisingly I felt even sooner in turns than when I test rode the bigger Indians models with their floor-boards)
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hmm, I drug the big ones not the Scout. Didn't notice it grounded earlier. Yeah, its not a twisty machine. But long sweepers and straight lines I liked it a lot. I don't think they are engineered to be canyon carvers. I would compare its power to the Thunderbird but with a lot less displacement. Here is a Victory Octane with the same problem. 
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hmm, I drug the big ones not the Scout. Didn't notice it grounded earlier. Yeah, its not a twisty machine. But long sweepers and straight lines I liked it a lot. I don't think they are engineered to be canyon carvers.
I would compare its power to the Thunderbird but with a lot less displacement.
Here is a Victory Octane with the same problem.
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(...within reason, of course)
Within reason my butt 
By the way, that funny noise I heard in Prescott was the right side front bearing falling apart. When I took the wheel off the ball bearings fell out onto the floor. 
You didn't run into that bobcat did you?
We all like to think of ourselves as rugged individualists. But when push comes to shove most of us are sheep who do what we are told. Worst of all, a lot of us become unpaid agents of whoever is controlling the agenda by enforcing the current dogma on the few rugged individualists who actually exist.
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Yeah, Dwight, I get ya. I suppose the Scout can be described as a "mid sized cruizer. Funny thing is, I LIKE the looks of it, but even though it IS a bigger displacement engine bike, the America seems to be physically bigger. I loved the size of my America. But every time I sit on a Scout, it feels too small. I know the aftermarket people are gonna make bags and stuff for it, but I probably won't care for them. For instance, my cousin has a very nice 1200 sportster, but it came with soft bags, windshield and floorboards. It just looks funny to me. The styling screams "sporty", not highway cruiser.
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(...within reason, of course)
Within reason my butt
Okay, ya got me here, Larry.
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By the way, that funny noise I heard in Prescott was the right side front bearing falling apart. When I took the wheel off the ball bearings fell out onto the floor.
Yeah, I remember you mentioning that sound when you (finally after a few minutes and after I got there ) pulled up in front of that little roadside bar in Wilhoit. Good thing it didn't cause a problem on your trip, huh.
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You didn't run into that bobcat did you?
Yeah, I saw that rabid bobcat they caught just a mile or so from my house here had made the national news.
Kind'a scary.
(...hope it doesn't turn out to be a major problem here in beautiful picturesque Sedona)
Yep! Just like a good Single Malt Scotch, you might call me "an acquired taste" TOO.(among the many OTHER things you may care to call me, of course)
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I feel the same way about the Scout, I like it but it seems to be a small bike compared to my America. I really would like an America with a bigger engine.
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Yep, the first thing I noticed as I walked up to the Scout to take that demo ride I mentioned earlier was its rather small overall dimensions.
Yep! Just like a good Single Malt Scotch, you might call me "an acquired taste" TOO.(among the many OTHER things you may care to call me, of course)
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And btw, and speaking of the Scout, while I kind'a sort'a like the looks of it, I can't help thinkin' I wish the boys at Polaris, like the boys in Hinckley with the latest water-cooled Bonneville line, had added fins to its engine. (...but then again for those who have been around here a long time, you know how I've always felt about fins on an engine, and how the general lack of them along the cylinder barrel area on the Triumph Thunderbird was always kind of a sticking point for me, doncha?!)
Yep! Just like a good Single Malt Scotch, you might call me "an acquired taste" TOO.(among the many OTHER things you may care to call me, of course)
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Yeah, Dwight, I get ya. I suppose the Scout can be described as a "mid sized cruizer. Funny thing is, I LIKE the looks of it, but even though it IS a bigger displacement engine bike, the America seems to be physically bigger. I loved the size of my America. But every time I sit on a Scout, it feels too small. I know the aftermarket people are gonna make bags and stuff for it, but I probably won't care for them. For instance, my cousin has a very nice 1200 sportster, but it came with soft bags, windshield and floorboards. It just looks funny to me. The styling screams "sporty", not highway cruiser.
I saw a few Indians together but i didn't like the look of the scout.The overall styling was good but the execution missed for me.Maybe it's the big radiator.I liked the bigger models.Anyway,When my friend parks his Wide glide Harley next to my America.The America looks the larger of the two.
Dinosaur.
"Oh Man I only ride 'em.I don't know what makes 'em work". Donald "Oddball" Sutherland
"Don't let the bastards get you down". Kris Kristofferson
"I am only paranoid because everyone is against me". Larry [Frank Burns] Linville
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I agree Dwight "Fins maketh the engine" Many bikes seem to be going finless now with water cooling and they don't look "right" somehow to an old geezer like me.
Dinosaur.
"Oh Man I only ride 'em.I don't know what makes 'em work". Donald "Oddball" Sutherland
"Don't let the bastards get you down". Kris Kristofferson
"I am only paranoid because everyone is against me". Larry [Frank Burns] Linville
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There's rumors (hope?) that Indian's next model will be a cruizer between the scout and the big Chief. But if true, there would probably be a "howl" of protest if the engine in said midsized cruizer strongly resembled a Victory motor.
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If I were to ever buy an American bike I would have seriously considered Victory.I thought they were cool.Indians are great but to much full dresser for my personal taste.
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