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Now that the new Bonny has the 1200 watercooled engine has anyone heard whether the America and Speedy are going to get the same treatment? 
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There seems to be a deliberate omission in all the hype over the new motor as to whether Spdy s and the America s will be fitted up with a 1200 cc. I may have missed it, but I did look.
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My hope is that the marketing folks are just creating interest/hype by not saying anything about the Speedy and America right now, but (my hope is) that it will happen.
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My money is still on the America/Speedys getting saddled with the 900cc motor in a effort to keep them "entry level" cruisers and to push those wanting a more powerful cruiser to the Tbird models. I hope and pray that I am wrong because I would love a 1200cc Speedmaster. I am still very critical of the Tbirds weight and styling.You would think that after 7 years on the market that they could update the styling on the base Tbird, even if it is to just change the rim design that they stole from the 2007 Speedmaster.
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Just as likely, Triumph will discontinue our bikes. I just got an E-Flyer from Hermy s today , no mention of our bikes in the new model line up. Only 5 models/variations of Bonnevilles for sale, America s and Speedy s would make seven if counted, and they weren't. Can we expect our bikes to become obsolete and collector items now?
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As I said on the other thread I e-mailed the biggest dealer in Australia and they replied saying they'd pass the e-mail onto head office but they knew of no plans for a 1,200 Speedy/America.
To me Triumph are missing a chance to trump the 1200 Sportster.A 1200 Speedy/America would be a much more comfortable,better cruiser,long distance bike IMO
Write an e-mail to head office.if we all do it,who knows?
It may keep the costs down by providing toilet paper for them anyway.
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Triumph is still selling the America, Speedmaster, and Scrambler in their current format for the 2016 model year. Ryk, I share your fear of being discontinued, actually replaced, by that bobber contraption.
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I think they need to go back to the earlier days of the BA and SM in styling and add the bigger engine. Back to spokes for the BA but keep the 16" fat front wheel, I like that. Back to dual discs and mags for the SM but matching mags not like the early ones and dual discs,knee indents for both tanks.
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Just as likely, Triumph will discontinue our bikes. I just got an E-Flyer from Hermy s today , no mention of our bikes in the new model line up. Only 5 models/variations of Bonnevilles for sale, America s and Speedy s would make seven if counted, and they weren't. Can we expect our bikes to become obsolete and collector items now?
Sad to say, this is probably the case. 
I would not expect Triumph to increase the engine size for the America and Speedmaster. The new Bonnies and the TBirds will be it. 
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I'm thinking a big KTM displacement adventure bike next. I have doing the Alcan on my bucket list left unchecked. Mr Bloor can go suck an egg.
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If they still consider the America a Bonneville class motorcycle then I would think they would have to move it up to the 1200 cc. If they can keep it in the same weight class then it will be their entry level cruiser. (Entry level is a term I do not like, but that is a later conversation)
The newer Americas are more refined and have a Thunderbird LT lite look to them, so if the weight goes up much there is not need to keep the America in the lineup.
I agree with Dog. If they would give the America and Speedmaster a different stance like the older models it would be great for the lineup.
I am perfectly happy with my current bike so it makes little difference to me, but it will be interesting to see what they do.
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In 2014 Greg Heichelbech before he left said 1 in 5 Triumph owners were women.
The 1050 Speed Triple ABS is an awesome bike and the Bonneville are big sellers! The 800 Tiger made them a big player in Europe.
I am thinking the Speedmaster and America will become one bike then slowly dropped.
I just don't see them on the road, at the bike nights, basically anywhere. I am thinking people want belts, shafts, ABS, and liquid, or any combination of them. If they want retro they will go Bonneville. Not to start that discussion but Yamaha and Harley are making some really nice rides.
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I believe the 1200 is a candidate for both models. Look at Suzuki. In the cruiser line there is a 650, 800, 1450 and 1800. Why can't Triumph have a 900, 1200, 1600/1700 and 2300??? They might even splurge for the belt drive given the success they've had with the Tbird. Also, the new Bonny uses a 6 speed gearbox which would fit the cruiser application. It also has a 270 degree crank. Cruiser here it comes.
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Well you know they cannot roll out all the new bikes at once. If they are doing these upgrades to the Bonny for epa compliance then we know change is coming to all Bonny class bikes.
Indian keeps coming out with new models.
Let's enjoy what we have and leave the rest to the Triumph gods.
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I am thinking the Speedmaster and America will become one bike then slowly dropped.
I just don't see them on the road, at the bike nights, basically anywhere. I am thinking people want belts, shafts, ABS, and liquid, or any combination of them. ...
Agreed Ron. On the occasion that I do see one, it's like seeing a long lost friend and if the owner is around I'll strike up a conversation with him.
I bought my 2005 Speedmaster as my first motorcycle in November 2005, 10 years ago. By 2007 I had put 15,000 fun miles on it and traded it in on my 2nd Victory.
A year or two later I bumped into the guy that had bought it. He also loved the Speedy, rode it often, and kept it like new.
Just a couple of years ago I saw a red/black Speedmaster for sale at a local bike shop. I checked the VIN and it was my old Speedy, but with 30,000 miles on it!
That bike was always loved, because it still looked brand new!   
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My monies on the 270/ 900 from the new Street Twin for the America /Speedy in 2017.
I seriously doubt Triumph designed a new motor for one bike.
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I believe the 1200 is a candidate for both models. Look at Suzuki. In the cruiser line there is a 650, 800, 1450 and 1800. Why can't Triumph have a 900, 1200, 1600/1700 and 2300??? They might even splurge for the belt drive given the success they've had with the Tbird. Also, the new Bonny uses a 6 speed gearbox which would fit the cruiser application. It also has a 270 degree crank. Cruiser here it comes.
270 crank? Another departure from tradition.
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My monies on the 270/ 900 from the new Street Twin for the America /Speedy in 2017.
I seriously doubt Triumph designed a new motor for one bike.
Excellent observation - makes sense.
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My monies on the 270/ 900 from the new Street Twin for the America /Speedy in 2017.
I seriously doubt Triumph designed a new motor for one bike.
Well,they designed one for the T-bird.And one for the Rocket.I'd love them to stick a 1,200 in an America/Speedy.
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I saw the new James Bond movie this weekend and in the background at Q branch they are working on what appears to be the 1200 thruxton. It is very definitely a parallel twin. It's not part of the story, but its there with 2 guys wrenching on it.  So where do these bikes really come from?
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TRiumph sure seems to be getting in alot of movies lately, nice to know we can out run a dinosaur and supply bikes to secret agents. I'm going to see Spectre this afternoon, I will watch for the Thruxton at the Q shop. I do like the way the Bond movies tend to keep the Brit mystique alive, except for that darn BMW a few movies ago.
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Didnt the bonnies get FI a year before the speedy and america. I figure we will see a redesign next year with the 900. maybe a 1200 upgrade or the speed will get the 1200 or something like that. It is perfect companion for the scout
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The America being redesigned around the 900cc motor as the "entry level" cruiser would make sense.Hopefully the Speedmaster would then get the 1200cc motor to finally make the bike live up to its name.
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I agree that I'd really like an upgraded 1200 America....but looking at the claimed engine outputs for the new bonnies, that would leave them with the Thunderbird at around the same output as a 1200 but heavier and uglier( and this from someone who runs a Tbird LT) so one of these machines would presumably have to go .
So I'm not holding my breath for a 1200cruiser I think ,if anything, we'll get the upgraded 900 engine.
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Well guys, there may be a little hope for us getting the 1200cc motor. I just noticed on the Triumph USA website http://www.triumphmotorcycles.com/bikes/Cruisers/Thunderbird/2016/Thunderbird that they are no longer listing the Thunderbird 1600. It may be possible that all the Tbird models going forward will have the 1700cc motor. That would leave room for a 1200cc America/Speedmaster or one at 900cc and the other at 1200cc to fill out the line up.
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As a follow up it seems that the guys over at Thunderbird1600.com have been talking about the 1600's being discontinued for about a week. http://www.thunderbird1600.com/csp/thund...ge.-Thunderbird 1600 RIP)&InSkin=BlackKnight&InPage=1
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As a follow up it seems that the guys over at Thunderbird1600.com have been talking about the 1600's being discontinued for about a week. http://www.thunderbird1600.com/csp/thund...ge.-Thunderbird 1600 RIP)&InSkin=BlackKnight&InPage=1
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I want the cc's and about time they did a speed transmission. My stock Beggs for another gear. I'm close to tedline cruising down the super slab. Let's see that 1200 america.
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I don't think we need a 6 speed with our torque rich engines, A 5 speed with a wider ratio spread would work just fine.
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The owner of my local shop said he expects 2017 for the America and Speedmaster 1200's to come out.
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The owner of my local shop said he expects 2017 for the America and Speedmaster 1200's to come out.
I hope he's correct.I'm in no rush to change my America though.Boy it's running great just now.! 
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I'd sure like to see a 6 speed trans. It would end my counter shaft sprocket changes between long trips vs around town riding.
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Even though I LOVE blue. I just saw a photo of the "cinder red" Bonneville T120 and it looks very,very,VERY,
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The owner of my local shop said he expects 2017 for the America and Speedmaster 1200's to come out.
Good. It'll give me a couple years to pay down my Commander in case there is a trade in my future. The same hp with 250 lbs. less weight sounds very appealing. 
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The owner of my local shop said he expects 2017 for the America and Speedmaster 1200's to come out.
Good. It'll give me a couple years to pay down my Commander in case there is a trade in my future. The same hp with 250 lbs. less weight sounds very appealing.
Somehow I doubt the weight difference would be as much as that, Paul. But hope does die last.
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at NEC bike show today there was all new range of bonnevilles plus "old " America, Speedmaster and Scrambler I think new americas and Speedies will be 2017 models same as last time when first bonnies were available in 2000 and Americas in 2001
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I heard late 2016 release for the 2017 models , 900 for the Speedmaster and 1200 for the America
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Seems backwards, I would have thought 1200 for the SM and 900 for the BA.I would like to see a return to spokes for the BA and a return to dual disc for the SM and knee indents for both.
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Seems backwards, I would have thought 1200 for the SM and 900 for the BA.I would like to see a return to spokes for the BA and a return to dual disc for the SM and knee indents for both.
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