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Does anyone recall which bikes were impacted by this late reported recall?
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That is about $18,000 per motorcycle in penalties.
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Maybe they will close the doors and fire everyone.
I wonder if more big corporations just closed up shop and let everyone go when these alphabet soup of bureaucracies started in with their bull plop, would these bureaucracies continue to exist?
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Maybe they will close the doors and fire everyone.
I wonder if more big corporations just closed up shop and let everyone go when these alphabet soup of bureaucracies started in with their bull plop, would these bureaucracies continue to exist?
Sure they would. They DON'T CARE what happens to the private sector. They get paid regardless and consider themselves to be superior beings. Take the EPA for example.
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Triumph didn't file their paperwork on time, has very little or nothing to do with the safety record of the bikes.
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It has everything to do with safety and their bikes. 1300 were driving Triumph bikes with a steering head issue. 1300 owners were put in danger by not knowing about the problem earlier. 1300 people could not be warned by NHTSA as they didn't know about it.
And Triumph admits to the violation. If I owned one of the recalled bikes I would be very happy to have the safety issue fixed rather than be the subject of a funeral procession.
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Triumph never tried to hide the steering defect, they were late with filing the paperwork to NHTSA. For all we know Triumph issued a fix to the owners of those bikes ASAP, long before the filing dates. We don't know.
Most Triumph recalls concern fuel injection IT problems.
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You don't know when they notified or when they recalled or fixed yet NHTSA is the bad guy. I will give you a link. NHTSA was formed in 1970 to ensure consistent safety standards in all states and to become involved in highway design, auto and truck design, along with public education and notification of manufacturing flaws and recalls. As our population exploded in the 60s look at the chart and watch the car fatalities. Then go to the 70s and watch seat belts and later airbags coming into play. Soon in that period you will see we went under 50,000 dead people a year then to the 40k mark and now in the 30k level. Our highways and vehicles have never been more safe. 50% more population with 40% reduction in fatal accidents. That is amazing. Not all regulation is bad. web page
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The recall was in September 2014. The NHTSA investigation began in April 2015. It appears that Triumph's proactive efforts to fix the problem prompted the NHTSA intervention. Government bureaucrats seeking the funds to support their increasing control over business. If Triumph had ignored the problem, NHTSA probably never would have come calling. Just another government shakedown. Have they been getting tips from Jesse Jackson? http://www.nhtsa.gov/About+NHTSA/Press+Releases/2015/nhtsa-fines-triumph-08312015
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I have to agree with Mac and Steve on this one. If the recall was in Sept.14 and the NHTSA investigation didn't start until April '15 then it sounds like Triumph was already on top of it. I know how slow the wheels of Government turn, I work for a state government. And remember where we are gentlemen... the lounge not that other place. 
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Nobody has said yet when Triumph knew they had a safety problem vs. when was the recall. Meaning, how long did people ride in jeopardy once they knew? Will we ever know that? Nope, because they didn't report, then reported late, then ignored the regulators.
I say lets not make this a government problem. Lets make this a Triumph problem, exactly what it is.
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all for a part that "could affect steering and possibly increase possibility of a crash"
too bad they aren't GM with proven fatal faulty parts that got ignored, they could just pay the fine with our tax money
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Nobody has said yet when Triumph knew they had a safety problem vs. when was the recall. Meaning, how long did people ride in jeopardy once they knew? Will we ever know that? Nope, because they didn't report, then reported late, then ignored the regulators.
I say lets not make this a government problem. Lets make this a Triumph problem, exactly what it is.
Because we all know it couldn't possibly be this flawless administration.
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So this administration caused Triumph to make a bad steering head and fail to comply with reporting?
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Does anyone recall which bikes were impacted by this late reported recall?
This article gives a little more information on what bikes were affected.
http://blog.motorcycle.com/2015/09/01/ma...w%20Subscribers
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Does anyone recall which bikes were impacted by this late reported recall?
This article gives a little more information on what bikes were affected.
http://blog.motorcycle.com/2015/09/01/ma...w%20Subscribers
Thanks PES!
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So this administration caused Triumph to make a bad steering head and fail to comply with reporting?
Don't get your panties in a twist, all I was saying is let blame where blame lies be it Triumph or the gov't. At the time of my post I saw nothing specific one way or the other and you saying let's not make it about the gov't. and if the gov't jumped too soon shame on them if Triumph was at fault then shame on them.
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My panties are not in a twist. I actually read the article posted in the first post in this thread. It said Triumph admitted to the violations.
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C'mon people. Let's not get carried away on our biases of " I hate government" , " I hate Obama. Govt is bad, free enterprise is good.
It's been proven time and time again that corporations should not be self regulating. We need govt regulation. I agree that sometimes it can go too far, but we've seen countless instances or pollution, ground water contamination, GM paying off lawsuits because it was cheaper than a recall of exploding gas tanks, etc etc.
Triumph knows the laws and regulations, and failed to comply. Pay the damn fine and smarten up. They have compliance people whose job it is to look after that stuff.
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Yeah, what he said. 
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C'mon people. Let's not get carried away on our biases of " I hate government" , " I hate Obama. Govt is bad, free enterprise is good.
It's been proven time and time again that corporations should not be self regulating. We need govt regulation. I agree that sometimes it can go too far, but we've seen countless instances or pollution, ground water contamination, GM paying off lawsuits because it was cheaper than a recall of exploding gas tanks, etc etc.
Triumph knows the laws and regulations, and failed to comply. Pay the damn fine and smarten up. They have compliance people whose job it is to look after that stuff.
The problem is that we allow government and regulators to be self governing, and they should not be either. Unelected bureaucrats with no experience in the businesses they regulate, and no skin in the game, making decisions about other peoples livelihood with no real accountability.
Everyone gripes about cops when they get carried away with their power. How are OSHA, the EPA, IRS, NHTSA or any of the other alphabet agencies any different? Follow their administrative diktats or be destroyed. Many hundreds of billions are wasted every year in compliance costs just to keep the bureaucratic paper pushers satisfied. This is likely another example.
We all like to think of ourselves as rugged individualists. But when push comes to shove most of us are sheep who do what we are told. Worst of all, a lot of us become unpaid agents of whoever is controlling the agenda by enforcing the current dogma on the few rugged individualists who actually exist.
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They used to be self regulated Larry. 50,000 dead people per year. Now 40% less because the cars are built better and protect the passengers. ABS, Air Bags, Glass standards, anti-intrusion bars, on and on. NHTSA regulation and reporting drove that. 90 million more cars in the last 30 years while deaths continue to drop.
IMHO I will keep NHTSA around. Like Jon Oliver says about other things. Car companies self regulating is like having a dingo babysit the kids.
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They used to be self regulated Larry. 50,000 dead people per year. Now 40% less because the cars are built better and protect the passengers. ABS, Air Bags, Glass standards, anti-intrusion bars, on and on. NHTSA regulation and reporting drove that. 90 million more cars in the last 30 years while deaths continue to drop.
IMHO I will keep NHTSA around. Like Jon Oliver says about other things. Car companies self regulating is like have a dingo babysit the kids.
So we should just accept the Imperial Bureaucracy because they are so much smarter and better than we mere mortals? Autocratic and unaccountable government employees punishing companies because they don't jump high enough when the bureacrat says jump. Coming soon to a company near you! They have all the money in the world, that they can take from you, to pursue you until they break you. Yeah, that sounds great.
We all like to think of ourselves as rugged individualists. But when push comes to shove most of us are sheep who do what we are told. Worst of all, a lot of us become unpaid agents of whoever is controlling the agenda by enforcing the current dogma on the few rugged individualists who actually exist.
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I have no idea what you are rambling about in relation to this thread. What did HHTSA do bad to Triumph? Are you saying NHTSA should have never been formed because of all the bad they have done?
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It sounds like Triumph said, "Whoops, there is a problem.", and set about to issue a recall and fix it. They made the "mistake" of deciding it was more important to deal with the problem than waste time dealing with the government. When they were satisfied that replacement parts were on the way to dealers and notices on the way to customers, then they set about dealing with the lords of the land, a few months after the problem was discovered.
That seems much better than with one of my 4 wheel vehicles. The maker first filed the required (note I did NOT say necessary) papers, then sent out notices. Unfortunately, it took a while for the government big shots to get around to looking over the fix, so the notification ends with "You will be notified when the parts become available." That was a couple of months ago and the parts are still pending. Fortunately, the recall has no more effect due to the way I drive than the Triumph recall the required moving the front master cylinder 2 inches up the frame because there might be a problem if you crash and leave the bike laying on the left side on a downhill slope for a long time.
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I have no idea what you are rambling about in relation to this thread. What did HHTSA do bad to Triumph? Are you saying NHTSA should have never been formed because of all the bad they have done?
The feds didn’t fine Triumph because they failed to do the right thing. They fined Triumph for not jumping through their bureaucratic hoops to their satisfaction, You must not only do as the overlords demand, you must be obsequious when doing so. I guess as long as they can claim to have done some good they can treat us mere mortals any way they wish.
We all like to think of ourselves as rugged individualists. But when push comes to shove most of us are sheep who do what we are told. Worst of all, a lot of us become unpaid agents of whoever is controlling the agenda by enforcing the current dogma on the few rugged individualists who actually exist.
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Larry you forgot that Ron like government. Knowing so govco suit and tie has their foot on the throats of those evil corporations that provide us with the goods and services we greedily goble up and the jobs that feed our fat little children, helps him to sleep safe and sound in his vault.
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I will repeat my question, are you saying NHTSA should have never been formed because of all the bad they have done?
Maybe its time to ask Pes. Pes, did you post this as a complaint about the government picking on Triumph?
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do you know what happens when you make a rock that is too big to move?
1 days at work ends up in the way and it's too damn big to move out of the way.
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do you know what happens when you make a rock that is too big to move?
1 days at work ends up in the way and it's too damn big to move out of the way.
So, Triumph is so big they don't know how to do a recall or comply with regulations? I think that is what you are trying to say.
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do you know what happens when you make a rock that is too big to move?
1 days at work ends up in the way and it's too damn big to move out of the way.
So, Triumph is so big they don't know how to do a recall or comply with regulations? I think that is what you are trying to say.
Here is a question for YOU! Can the federal government ever do any wrong? Is their every action justified? Is a 2.9 million dollar fine really a good idea because a company didn't get your paperwork done as quickly as you like? Considering your comments it would seem you think Triumph had it coming.
As for being Too Big, I'm pretty sure that was not directed at Triumph. Of course there is no way GOVERNMENT could be too big or too intrusive. 
We all like to think of ourselves as rugged individualists. But when push comes to shove most of us are sheep who do what we are told. Worst of all, a lot of us become unpaid agents of whoever is controlling the agenda by enforcing the current dogma on the few rugged individualists who actually exist.
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Didn't you know Gov't should tell you what job to hold, what food to eat, what products , services, and insurances to buy, when to sleep, when to eat, and when you are used up they can then euthanize you.
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Maybe its time to ask Pes. Pes, did you post this as a complaint about the government picking on Triumph?
Nope. I just accidentally fell across the article when I was searching for something else. I thought there might be some interest here since we all have Triumphs. Now it sounds exactly what happens on the cone of silence, arguing about big government vs. small government. Seems like we cant get away from the political crap no matter where we post. 
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I didn't do it! I thought you were talking about it was interesting, so I got that part right.
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I thought there might be some interest here since we all have Triumphs.
Good post! From what I've heard, Triumph has done a pretty good job of staying on top of things. With the notable exception of my rear brake light switch that hasn't worked since 2006.
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Is a 2.9 million dollar fine really a good idea because a company didn't get your paperwork done as quickly as you like? Considering your comments it would seem you think Triumph had it coming.
As for being Too Big, I'm pretty sure that was not directed at Triumph. Of course there is no way GOVERNMENT could be too big or too intrusive.
Why would it not be directed at Triumph, they are a global corporation that makes 100s of millions of dollars. You act like Bloor is a poor little house mouse just trying to squeeze out a living to feed his skinny kids. They thought they were big enough to ignore a recall in the US while they took care of Europe, they thought they were big enough to ignore federal regulations and big enough to ignore a federal special request. And we think the government is too big?
2.9 million is chump change to Triumph. Corporations weigh the cost of non-compliance with profit. If fines are cheaper than compliance they will opt for the fines all the time. Possibly only a person with a MBA would know that. I take no joy in them getting tagged, but it was clearly avoidable.
Fun facts! Triumph has 1600 employees. NHTSA has 600. One of the smallest producers of vehicles in America, Triumph, makes about 60% of the total annual budget of NHTSA responsible for safety issues in vehicles, highways, and education for the entire country of over 300 million people and a few hundred million vehicles.
I am done with this thread, you guys hijacked it and I fed the trolls. I am sorry Pes.
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Criticism of a government agency for fining a company over a filing compliance shake down somehow means abolish the NHTSA. Straw dogs barking.
Equating Triumph to a federal agency is strange at best, Triumph has far less lawyers, no guns and less money than the Feds.
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