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I highly urge everyone that is opposed to the immigration act that the senate has proposed to take a stand. Write your senator, make phone calls, and speak out. Otherwise, you might as well cash in your jimmy's and kiss your assets goodbye.
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All I want is for them to take their flags and go home and if they want to come here do it legally. Get a friggen green card. Over 60% of our hospital bills are not paid by them and we have to pick it up. They will send our butts to collection but they get away with it. It really gets my goat when they fly their flags on our soil with no USA flag above it. My grandfather and grandmother came here legally and were proud to learn our language and fly our flag. There is even separate chuch services for them.
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Thank you for having the courage to speak up. I agree. We need to change our system drastically or we will drounding in welfare and crime. I just don't understand, illegal aliens have committed a crime by crossing our borders illegally and yet they are given rights. IT'S INSANE, infact they take rights away from us because they are not subjected to the same laws that we are held accountable for. People need to start speaking up if they agree with this, otherwise you might as well just throw a larger percentage of your paycheck in the trash each year. As well watch your neighborhoods and property values decline more and more.
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Hey Kurt
I'm not familiar with the act you're speaking of but don't be too rash - some of us haven't completed our forms yet .. 
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Living down here in southern Az we see illegals packed into SUVs that suffer rollovers after they refuse to pull over for Border Patrol smokies. They get into a chase and roll and overloaded SUV and people die and the rest end up in hospitals here in Tucson. They get free treatment and they get deported back to Mexico. Who pays. Me and you.
Now, If I had no medical insurance and crashed my Triumph and broke both legs/ multiple compound fractures/broken hip/ major road rash the hospital bill would be more than I could afford. Yet , I would still be sponsible for it and would be hounded for the rest of my life to pay that bill.
That is what smokes my chonies about illegals.
They get free everything it seems.
GRRR!
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Adey, the bill grants amnesty to illegals as apposed to making them felons like it should be.
I'm assuming you are over here with a green card or a work visa, which is not the scenario we are trying to eliminate. However, if you plan to stay, I'd get my paper work in.
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Rumor has it the boys in Congress got wind of your last visit, and are right this minute rewriting the Bill with a special "Adey Addendum" making you illegal... 
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On the radio this morning Bill O'Reilly had some talking points that I thought actually made some good sense and would be a decent compromise to both sides: Quote:
One, immediately move the National Guard to the border to back up the border patrol. If this is done, there's no need for a $1 billion wall. Illegal crossings would decline drastically.
Two, detain anyone caught trying to cross the border illegally and deport them ASAP. No more catch and release.
Three, inform businesses that hiring illegal workers will lead to expensive fines first time, prison time for employers second time.
Four, allow those illegals already in the USA to register as foreign residents without fear of reprisal. An illegal would have 60 days to do that. Failure to register would be a felony with mandatory prison time.
Five, once the foreign resident is registered, he or she would be issued temporary working papers and would have to pay a $3,000 fine for breaking the immigration law. The money would be deducted from paychecks over a three-year period.
Six, after three years, that foreign resident could apply for citizenship, but such a privilege would not be guaranteed. The applicants would take their place in line behind those who have obeyed the immigration rules.
Seven, a legal guest worker program would be set up to meet the needs of businesses. Foreign countries could send a list of applicants and a pool would be formed.
And finally, any immigrant evading taxes in the USA would be immediately deported.
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Not a bad proposal, except it's weak and gives illegals rights and priveleges!!! Not only that, 3000 dollars, that's it! I'm not buying it. I've heard talk of a Massachusetts rally, I will be there. I encourage you to start one where you live.
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I have a better idea. Round them all up and send them back across the border. Pull the ones out of our jails and send them back in shackles. Tell the Mexican government to enforce their side of the border as well or face what ever economic reprisals we can come up with.
The key word in this entire situation is ILLEGAL. When I saw the pictures of the demonstrations with them wearing hats that said Mexico and carrying mexican flags it made me sick.......
I absolutely agree 100% with you. What part of illegal do they not understand. However, because of the way politics work (instead of doing what is right), there will end up being a compromise.
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I'm assuming you are over here with a green card or a work visa
I'm not over there yet !! 
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Rumor has it the boys in Congress got wind of your last visit, and are right this minute rewriting the Bill with a special "Adey Addendum" making you illegal...
Just my luck, eh?
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Tell the Mexican government to enforce their side of the border as well or face what ever economic reprisals we can come up with.
That's funny, Grump  . Like Bush and Fox will ever get their noses out of each others arse. 
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I disagree. I just hired three Mexicans to build an addition on my house. Cost me $50 and a case of beer! I was so impressed I fired the guys who work in my press room and hired some illegals from down the road. My profits are HUGE! Man, it beats the heck out of paying healthcare, retirement, OSHA, etc. If I can only find some illegal Mexican child labor I'll be set!
Of course, this is sarcasm!
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I agree with what you all say but who will pick all the vegatables and fruit?
Bill O'Reilly is an ignorant moron who only can spew hate.
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First, it's an election year in the US. Be prepared for total demagoguery from the politicians. The fact is 1/2 of all the illegal immigrants are here with expired visas of all sorts. It is totally racist to make it look like all the illegals are hispanic. That is what the righ wing wackos are doing.
What has to happen is to decriminalize the act of crossing the boarder. We would save billions. If someone wants to come in and work they have to register. This would certainly make it safer for those that want to come here. It would eliminate the "coyotes" that prey on these innocent victims.
Criminals/drug dealers would still have to cross illegally, but with the border patrol freed up from chasing potentially legal visitors, they would have the man power to do it properly.
Decriminalizing would also make it easier to track who is i the country. Homeland Security is a joke. We would have better control of our borders if we decriminalize immigration.
Sorry for the rant, but I am totally pissed off by demagogues.
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Yep...we need to send all the illegals back & set up a 60 every 500yds along the border.
we should do this every weekend!
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I am tired of being called a "racist" because I support closing OUR borders to those who disrespect our laws then DEMAND "fair" treatment before we ship them home. CLOSE THE DAMM BORDER TO ALL EXCEPT LEGAL TRAFFIC
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Bogie...you will never hear me call you a racist.... It's our country. If they want to be a US citizen they need to apply for it.
we should do this every weekend!
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Another major ****** is that when the illegals spawn here, the brats are immediately granted US citizenship. How does that make sense? TR
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Two things - If she would care to comment on the impact of illegal aliens (IAs)to her part of the Criminal Justice System, I'd like to hear Becky weigh in. If not, I'd understand.
From my end, I've been impacted two ways: (1) Step-son can't get honest wages for construction work, because of an influx of IAs in this area; (2) I'm tired of the "but they pay taxes too," BS-argument. Had a case where a young IA couple (witnesses)circumvented paying taxes by getting 11 expemptions (between the two of them) on their W-4 forms. Knowing they can't file for Fed and State taxes (bogus SSNs), they're getting as much as they can, week to week. A possibility is to for the Feds to get them for failing to file tax returns. If they've been on the up-and-up, then it's just the immigration issue. Let them register as guest workers for an 8 month period out of 12, pay a bond up front to ensure they go home when the work period is finished.
The Denver Post had an article about our southern border being a sieve, not only for persons from Mexico, but Central and South America, and the rest of the world as well. Perhaps it's time to do away with posse comitatus for regular military forces within two miles of the US-Mexican border, and/or activate the respective National Guard units of the affected states.
I will say this, no matter what my stand is on how they got here, I do believe in the tenets of my state and US Constitutions that they are entitled to a form of due-process for any crimes committed while here, and for deportation proceedings.
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Econ 101 supply and demand.
Illegals create a "supply" of labor such that the "demand" for wages is impacted. Now someone please explain why BIG LABOR is taking the side of the illegals on this issue?
We need to give them a fair, swift, hearing THEN SEND THEM HOME.
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I will say this, no matter what my stand is on how they got here, I do believe in the tenets of my state and US Constitutions that they are entitled to a form of due-process for any crimes committed while here, and for deportation proceedings.
I'm of the opinion that the US constitution grants it's citizens those rights, why should we extend those rights to those who choose to ignore our immigration laws!
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The constitution does not say citizens. ANYONE, regardless of status is entitled to the protection of the constitution.
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I have to agree with most of the folks here. Illegal is illegal, not undocumented workers (no matter where they come from). I also have to side with Paul (bogie) about being called a racist every time anything is said to the contrary belief of some others. I also believe it is not a matter of opinion, but pure unadulterated FACT that these people that are here illegal should have NO rights. Deport them, if they come back, deport them, if they come back ………. I am NOT prejudice or a racist, but I have to abide by our laws, and so should those that would come here. DO IT LEGALLY…. end of story
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Fine, keep the courts open 24 hours a day, give them their hearing.
Sir, do you have a green card or visa? QUICK and easy.
The Declaration says rights are endowed by God, not the Constitution, if illegals want the same rights we have THEY NEED TO GO HOME AND DEMAND THEM FROM THEIR GOVERNMENT
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Now someone please explain why BIG LABOR is taking the side of the illegals on this issue?
Well your question isn't specific, so I can't give you a specific answer. But, organized labor's entire history is based on stopping exploitation of working people. The fact is that many BIG BUSINESSES use illegals, and pay them a pittance compared to what Americans get for the same work. They pay no payroll taxes, workers comp, SS, plus well below minimum wage. Bottom line: Organize them, that's really always the goal of organized labor. To organize workers. That's not likely to happen though as it would be Bush's and his ilk’s worst nightmare, to have to actually pay a fair wage. So the real problem is like always, money. Money and the acquisition of more and more and more. As long as the wealthiest can get wealthier, they will. And they really don't care about you. They can pay illegal immigrants a pittance and have no intention of doing anything to change .
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So Big Labor is screwing their membership at the behest of President Bush and the Business community? Way too big a stretch. Remember, the UAW endorsed AL Gore who wrote a book declaring the internal combustion engine one of mankinds biggest threats. Another example of Labor working at cross purposes with its membership.
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The constitution does not say citizens. ANYONE, regardless of status is entitled to the protection of the constitution.
Then thats where Congress should start! ammend it!
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At the risk of sounding a little more right wing than usual (!!) it took me years and not an insignificant amount of time to get a green card. I also have to pay taxes ("Taxation without representation" - gee, used to be a bit of an issue some years back) and STILL cannot vote. I did all this legally, filling in all the forms, paying for all the paperwork, and all to earn my way to becoming a legal immigrant.
I don't regret it and, indeed, expected it. Yet I am really irked that all my years and effort of going through the legal route, it looks like I should have just walked over the border.
By all means streamline the immigration system, help cut down on paperwork, but illegal IS illegal and suddenly changing the status of an estimated 11 million people from illegal to legal seems like the wrong way to do things to me.
It's just not cricket, gentlemen.
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So Big Labor is screwing their membership at the behest of President Bush and the Business community? Way too big a stretch.
Well, it certainly is easy to who's been lying to you. Using terms like "Big labor" shows you to be completely ignorant of the role that organized labor has played, and still plays in safeguarding working conditions for ALL workers. FYI Unions are not for profit organizations. Another point, the membership IS the organization, so "big labor" and the membership are not separate entities.
Organized labor (and I'll type slowly this time so you have a better chance of understanding) wants to organize (all) (immigrant) workers. That's what organized labor does, organize. Get it?
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Remember, the UAW endorsed AL Gore who wrote a book declaring the internal combustion engine one of mankinds biggest threats. Another example of Labor working at cross purposes with its membership.
Organized labor, like all political interest groups focuses on a particular issue when endorsing candidates. The choice between Al Gore, who is friendly to labor's issues, and G. W. Bush, who would gladly destroy the middle class so he could have more money is a no-brainer.
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it seems that for some on this thread, reading comprehension is not a strong suit (this is not to you sigmund.) the immigrants are HERE folks. let's rationally deal with what we got, what we need, and how to manage the influx. i find soren's quoted piece from o'reilly to be right on. case in point, the ladies that have been picking crabs on maryland's eastern shore for a decade. no one else wants that job and the employer is legit. stopping those ladies from their time honored trek from south and central america to easton to provide the best blue crab meat on earth (imho) would be a travesty to them AND me. let's get past the petty jingoism ("Bill O'Reilly is an ignorant moron who only can spew hate") and talk factually. i realize that for some, facts are hard to digest, but we're adults, deal with the facts. i say this from the standpoint that here in baltimore we're at nearly 100% employment. those that aren't employed are either unemployable (yes, dorothy, they exist) or don't want to work (and oh yeah, dorothy, they exist too.). baltimore is being rebuilt from the sewers up by hispanics. i have no problem with mandatory screening. in fact, my stupid f-ing brother-in-law had a member of ms-13 on the crew that did my roof. the miscreant was arrested one week later trying to abduct a child from someone who owed an ms-13 member money for a member of the child's family's passage to the u.s.. real, workable, rules, and truly enforced laws (unlike the gun laws in america), would put a heavy damper on gangs like ms-13 and the like. i find the whole topic a whole bunch of bullshite just like the ports deal with dpw. it really shows how members of the party of tolerance will jump on the bandwagon given a chance to look tough on "policy".
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"FYI Unions are not for profit organizations."
hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaaha!!!! that is the funniest thing ever posted on these boards!!
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"FYI Unions are not for profit organizations."
hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaaha!!!! that is the funniest thing ever posted on these boards!!
Be happy to see your evidence. Post a link.
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"FYI Unions are not for profit organizations."
hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaaha!!!! that is the funniest thing ever posted on these boards!!
Be happy to see your evidence. Post a link.
so easy. how's the kool-aid ?
if unions, including the major unions, were truly 'not for profit', there'd be no way a 'hoffa problem' could occur. fact of the matter is, union members are being used by the upper mucketty mucks. there's really no denying the continual corruption in america's unions. by the way, ask a bethlehem steel utu member how the union worked out for them. my dad paid for 43 years, only to get f-d in the end. thanks utu, for screwing my dad, my wife's grand-dad and all their co-workers out of benefits paid for for years!!
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oh and thank the uaw for the demise of the american autoworker!!
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oh and thank the uaw for the demise of the american autoworker!!
You are a funny guy Jeff, sad, But funny .
It's becoming a typical mindset to blame workers who want a decent standard of living because the manufacturers go out of the country where they can get cheap, sometimes slave labor to make their products. The real problem is corporate greed. Those who do employ union workers somehow manage to stay in business and even make a decent profit. Why don't you research the issues a little instead of just regurgitating whatever has been shoved down your throat?
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