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I grabed this before Bush won his second term. Tell me it aint't so.

Nah. I'm sure Kerry knows the difference between "your" and "you're"

Yes,
Kerry is an eloquent speaker. But yes again, Hillary may become president. But prayerfully, I hope she doesn't win(unless Bill is still running the show).
The republcans have a two platform agenda - Anti-Abortion & Anti-Gay. I agree with both those stands. But, the republicans know that if those two issues are dealt with - They Have No Platform except their secret one and that is to "destroy middle class America" (truth for 70 years - maybe longer). That's why they drag their bibles out every election year and dust them off by shaking them until their election is in the bag, then the bibles are returned to the drawer until next time. I am a Christian - I love Jesus The Christ (but He loved me first). Please let me tell you about Him. And I am democrat - I cannot change the democratic party from without.

well dennis, at least you acknowledge that the republicans have a platform other than 'no'. the democrat party has marginalized itself to the kook corner with reid, pelosi, dean, moore, franken, stewart, streisand, sheehan, et al. the bad news continues for the democrats - bush is NOT RUNNING!!! anybody but bush (a losing proposition from the getgo) is no longer a valid battle cry. try to rally around the old standby's, government funded infanticide upon demand and handouts for the plantation voting bloc. and for some edification, here's the house republicans' top ten priorities:
"Top Ten Conservative Priorities for 2006

In 2006, the House of Representatives must:

1. Pass a balanced budget amendment to put our fiscal house in order.
2. Pass a budget reconciliation package, to rein in auto-pilot spending which has risen from 25% of all federal spending in 1963 to 54% today, and is expected to reach nearly 60% in 2014.
3. Offset all emergency supplemental spending with spending reductions and offset all new programs with simultaneous, equivalent reductions in, or eliminations of, existing programs.
4. Make the tax cuts permanent, including the repeal of the marriage-tax penalty and the death tax and pass fundamental tax reform
5. Pass budget process reform, which includes budgeting for emergencies with a rainy day fund, instituting a sunset commission for federal programs, instituting a constitutional line-item veto, and making the budget resolution carry the force of law.
6. Pass legislation which stops the raid on the Social Security Trust Fund and allows Americans to own a personal Social Security account.
7. Pass ethics reform that requires transparency and earmark reform which permits Members of Congress to strike earmarks on the House floor.
8. Pass the Marriage Protection Amendment, to ensure that marriage, the union of one man and one woman as husband and wife, is not redefined by activist judges.
9. Defend the sanctity of human life, which includes banning all human cloning, passing the Unborn Child Pain Awareness Act, promoting ethical adult stem cell research, and preventing federal funding for destructive embryonic stem cell research.
10. Pass protections for religious freedom, such as the Pledge of Allegiance, the Ten Commandments, and religious expression in the public square."

what would be the democrat party's response? no? abb? cowering in a corner, murmuring "how'd he win? no one i know voted for him."?

Jeff,

Good response...

God, please let this Bush era end in a timely fashion.
Amen
ModelMaker

I was saying that about the Clinton era in 1999.

Jeff,

6 years in with 0 opposition in both houses. Who is stopping them now from total implementation of all of that?

Nobody is the answer to the above. They spend money like drunken sailors, rubber stamp every administration agenda, and sit back congratulating themselves, watching the debt go up and educational standards go down.

Why don't you guys just drop this right now. It NEVER gets us anywhere. Vegas

Jeff is right on. I have been a Republican for more years than I like to think about. Right now I don't think either party is doing us justice. Health care is the best in the world, but accessable to only the well off. This latest $2.6 billion prescription drug program is a disgrace. If an old person can't use a computer or can't understand the programs they will pay more than before. The programs are so complicated that my son with an IQ up into the 140s can not understand them. Our government is so screwed up; we certainly do not want it to provide medical care. Since we have to pay for our medical care why is it not 100% tax deductable? Protection of our borders and all of the things Jeff said. Who can we vote for, who will get the job done and quit fighting each other. I am at the point I wonder why I even vote. We have a useless Govenor that we did not vote for, who got in by a crooked machine. Why are we in the United Nations. We pay for nothing and they want to take our guns away.

Dave

As far as any platform is concerned, right or left or moderate; the only way to truly understand it is to see what it's opponents have to say. The proponents will always try to present it in the best light possible so that the public isn't wise to their ulterior motives. 180 for the opposition.
You're right, Bush won't be running. But his policies will be.

So, how many are for digging up Harry Truman, making a clone, and electing him dictator?

I have gotten to the place that there does not seem to be much difference between republicans and democrats. Now, if you were to say that there is a difference between conservatives and liberals, that is another story. Although there does not seems to be much left in the way of pure conservatives anymore in congress. They all seem to spend money like crazy and are attempting to create a society that almost forces people to be reliant on the goverment instead of themselves as they restrict our freedom of choice and take way all of our money.

Soren

I think the time is ripe for a viable third party that represents working Americans, not the fringe groups and big business that seem to have a lock on Washington DC.

The last third party to take off is now called the Republican Party. Both parties steal issues from third parties and change over time. Until the 1930s the Republicans were usually more liberal and isolationist and tended to be the party of the middle class, small business, well-off farmers, and blacks. The Democrats had a split personality between segregationist Southerners and labor union Northerners, everything from the KKK of Robert Byrd to socialism. The parties have changed substantially over the last forty years, mainly because of grassroots activists. If you want to change what the parties stand for just choose the one closest to your beliefs and then get involved. If you choose not to get involved it is still your God-given right to bellyache, but don’t expect to accomplish much.

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If you want to change what the parties stand for just choose the one closest to your beliefs and then get involved.

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Trust me Larry, I do just that.
The two major parties in this country, however, are completely out of touch with the people who vote for them. Oh, they're good at spinning (lying) their platforms to get votes, but when they get elected, they kowtow to the special interests that pay them. The only way to bring the two we have in line, is to have an alternative.

I've been way too controversial the past couple days. Think I'll get all liqueured up and go shootin'.

Clinton/Sharpton ticket in '08. The comedic value almost makes this a winner!

Well Mad, I am a vet, but did not retire from the navy, so get nothing. I was shot at, but not hit, so no meds from the gov. If I did I am not sure it would be fair to others who don't anyway. I sure like your idea about gettin well a little under the weather and go shoooooting though.

Dave

Simmer, you don't have to be retired from any service to recieve veterans benefits. The time qualification is a minimum 2 years on active duty. That's it. There are a few other qualifications and time on active duty is only one of them.
Even if you are rich you can qualify by making co-payments. That is really good if you are on a lot of life sustaining drugs or treatments.
Even if you get liquered up everyday and have a dependency problem, they will fix that too.
If you earned your benefits, use them.
Mad`

Hey! WHEN the hell did this freakin' place make that SHARP RIGHT TURN???!!!

Oh...THAT'S RIGHT! It's ALWAYS been a more..."You is either wit' us or again' us" kind'a place around here, hasn't it?!!!

I'm starting to think that people think that movin' ahead means one continuous trek to the starboard!(OR the PORT SIDE for THAT MATTER)

Now don't get me started here, 'cuz ya know, I can make A LOT of your arguments look kind'a dumb in my own inimitable way if I wanted to, but I don't feel like getting into it right now. And besides, I gotta get to work within the next hour.

Cheers,
Dwight
(Hey....I DIDN'T say some of you guys are dumb, I said SOME of your ARGUMENTS were....YEAH, that's DISMISSIVE[some o' you guys are doin' a pretty good job of that already]....DEAL WITH IT)

(and Jethro...When I get around to it, I'll take each of your suggestions[some I like] point by point and give you MY TAKE on 'em...I seem to be one of those FEW democrats who'll STAND UP and TELL YA what's on my friggin' mind WITHOUT hemmin' and hawwin' about it)

I'm gonna vote for Oprah ...

The whole political process is out of control. We need to do what we are trying to do in Iraq. Start a new government. Wait, maybe thats a bit drastic.

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(and Jethro...When I get around to it, I'll take each of your suggestions[some I like] point by point and give you MY TAKE on 'em...I seem to be one of those FEW democrats who'll STAND UP and TELL YA what's on my friggin' mind WITHOUT hemmin' and hawwin' about it)

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Now I'm not accussing you of accussing me of hemmin' an' hawwin' .
I've been going over these Republican items. I'll be posting my take soon also. I won't look at the thread again until I post a response. Might be interesting .

1. Pass a balanced budget amendment to put our fiscal house in order.

You mean like we had under Bill Clinton? We even had a budget surplus under his leadership. What kind of enforcement provisions will it have? And how will it deal with the current Republican debt? Republican debt


2. Pass a budget reconciliation package, to rein in auto-pilot spending which has risen from 25% of all federal spending in 1963 to 54% today, and is expected to reach nearly 60% in 2014.

See above.


3. Offset all emergency supplemental spending with spending reductions and offset all new programs with simultaneous, equivalent reductions in, or eliminations of, existing programs.

Again. All these financial "reforms" are smokescreens to try to hide the gross irresponsibility of the current regime. Regime meaning the administration and Congress.


4. Make the tax cuts permanent, including the repeal of the marriage-tax penalty and the death tax and pass fundamental tax reform.

Whenever the wealthiest citizens and big business interests (the current beneficiaries of the "tax cuts") talk about tax reform, you can bet the middle class takes it in the shorts. Also, just how in the hell are you going pay the national debt off by reducing income?


5. Pass budget process reform, which includes budgeting for emergencies with a rainy day fund, instituting a sunset commission for federal programs, instituting a constitutional line-item veto, and making the budget resolution carry the force of law.

Well, something that seems to make sense.


6. Pass legislation which stops the raid on the Social Security Trust Fund and allows Americans to own a personal Social Security account.

While I'm all for stopping the use of SS for funding what should be general fund items, the only winners from personal accounts will be on Wall Street.


7. Pass ethics reform that requires transparency and earmark reform which permits Members of Congress to strike earmarks on the House floor.

Damm, I choked on my coffee. Ethics reform? That oughta clear the decks.



8. Pass the Marriage Protection Amendment, to ensure that marriage, the union of one man and one woman as husband and wife, is not redefined by activist judges.

I agree with the sentiment, but the constitution shouldn't be tampered with to restrict the rights of citizens. Remember prohibition. If you want to stop activist judges, propose an amendment to limit the authority of the courts. That won't happen because both sides like their activist judges.


9. Defend the sanctity of human life, which includes banning all human cloning, passing the Unborn Child Pain Awareness Act, promoting ethical adult stem cell research, and preventing federal funding for destructive embryonic stem cell research.

O.K.


10. Pass protections for religious freedom, such as the Pledge of Allegiance, the Ten Commandments, and religious expression in the public square."

O.K on this one too. Of course you realize that all religions, including those that you might find abhorrent, will have the same protections.

Oooh...this is getting good...

I will be staying with the Republican party and doing all I can to help them succeed. Why? because such as they are.. they are THE BEST WE HAVE. We do have two major parties but the one known as the Democratic party is not as I like to say ...."The party my Grandfather knew" Today the Democratic party is largely supported by wack jobs, America haters, terrorist lovers or supporters and sympathizers, those who hate all religions ...... The Democratic pary is the party that wants us to lose in Iraq. They state as much all the time thru their talking heads and then enlist the anti-American main stream media to help them in that regard. They have in their pocket the anarchist entitities known as CNN (communist news network) CBS (communist BS network) MSNBC (an offshoot of CBS basically). Every single wack job organization in this country today endorses the Democratic party. Worst group of whiners in the known world.

I support the Republicans because they have some hair around their tail ends when it comes to defense and an innate ability and desire to defend and protect these United States from all enemies foreign and domestic.

If and when any candidate from the party of Jihad (Democrats) give me an impression they are interested in defending and protecting these US then....maybe just maybe I will consider them.

At this point I dont see it happenin. When the best they can come up with to throw at us for president is John "the commie" Scary than ultimately I have to take the same tack in the wind as the "Swift Boat Veterans for Truth"

John "the commie" Scary

I am deeply saddened and disgusted that anyone who claims to be an american can demean a military hero who fought for our freedoms and equate them to being a 'commie'.

Levi(Wyrm74),

You're D*MN RIGHT, it's gettin' good.

Bill's finally inserted a freakin' VOICE OF REASON in this stupid-a$$ thread.

He's a pretty smart fella....for one o' them there "CHRISTIANS"!!!

Now however....I'VE got a few little asides to his arguments here TOO!

While I agree that the most of his takes on the fiscal issues here, of which he makes much sense, the TAX REFORM issue is NEVER going stand a chance of any kind of reformation UNTIL we SERIOUSLY start to discuss the possibly of a FLAT-RATE SYSTEM. Every freakin' time those BOZOs in Washington talk about SIMPLIFYING the system, they do NOTHING BUT increase the level on complexity in it, and thus, give additional loopholes to the powers that be to take full advantage there of!!!!

NOW.....Yoy guys wanna talk CAMPAIGN REFORM?! OKAY!
Seeing as how 86 cents of every freakin' dollar those above mentioned BOZOs(once again BOTH MAJOR POLITICAL PARTIES here) take in through most often underhanded means, goes to the production, distribution, AND BROADCASTING of those INSULTINGLY IGNORANT, DISTASTEFULL, MISLEADING and MOST oftenly FALSE "COMMERCIALS" for the CANDIDATES that each party throws at US BOZOs, who because most Americans either can't or won't take the time to investigate what this candidate REALLY stands for OR how COMPETENT this said candidate actually IS (THAT, of course, is IF they even BOTHER to GET OFF their LAZY FREAKIN' A$$ to VOTE in a major election.[what is usually the turn-out?...HUH?])...MOSTLY RELY on THIS SOURCE as their ONLY MEANS to decide who they're vote for.(that is, of course, unless the "other guy" has a brighter smile or a nicer lookin' WIFE...OR says HE'S a "GOOD FREAKIN' CHRISTIAN...what ever the hell THAT MEANS!!!)

SOOOOOOOOO......I say....If years ago, "THEY" could BAN the telecast of cigarette ads, the rationale being that those things were BAD for the BODY-HUMAN....then I SAY, "THEY" can BAN this kind of "ADVERTIZING" on televison BECAUSE it's "BAD" for the BODY-POLITIC!!!!!

NOW....regarding this here so-called "SANCTITY OF MARRIAGE" BS.....Let me ask MY FELLOW HETERO SWINGIN' DICKS out there somethin'............

HOW MANY of you jerks are on your SECOND or even THIRD freakin' MARRIAGE and have YOUR freakin' kids living in a "BROKEN HOME" across town with the EX-WIFE(S).....HUH?

So DON'T YOU GO LECTURING ANYBODY about the..."Sanctity of Marriage"...OKAY?! 'CUZZZZZ....I don't give a flying you-know-what about what YOU THINK your "Good Book" says!!!

And LASTLY.....this "Protection of Life"......AAHHHHH! How nice! LOOK! When people start REALLY CARING about those ALREADY BORN to the multitudes of strangers on this planet, THEN I'll start worrying about what's in some other woman's d*mn belly.

AND BESIDES....We're already celebrating our friggin' BIRTHDAYS on this here website...When ARE we going to start celebrating the day our mother and father "got-together" around here....huh?

WELL...THAT's about MY RANT for the day!!!!

Cheers all,
Dwight

Nope I SWORE I wasn't going to get involved with this and I will limmit my comments to this one only!...I have dealt personally with John Kerry (when I lived in MA) I know John Kerry and have my own views of him based upon MY PERSONAL experiance! I wrote him and all of my other REPESENTATIVES (from both houses) a letter asking him to support a particular piece of legislation...of all the letters I wrote I got one reply...from John Kerrys office....stating that "although he appreciated my letter and my stand on the issue....he would not be supporting it due to HIS (not sorry but you are a minority in my constituancy and so I must vote with those who represent the majority) BUT HIS!!!belief...HE IS (was) MY...MY representitve....it is his JOB to represent the PEOPLE...very nice letter and the only one from anybody I got (that was at least impresive that he did take the time to respond to my letter) but it basicly said Fu(k you! I don't care what you think I don't agree so I'm not voting that way!! had he mentioned a wave of public oppinion that caused his choice...ok I lose...but don't tell me, as my representitive YOUR beliefs won't allow you to vote the way your constituants want you to...it is after all SUPOSED to be... Of the people, By the people and For the people.

thank you ....the end!

You might not like this Dwight. But, your arguments seem to demonstrate a more Christian attitude than any right-winger that I've heard from.
Yer a pretty bright fella yerself, fer one o' them agnostics

NOOO! I take that back! That's NOT my ONLY rant for the day. ONE OTHER THING.....

CAN'T ANY of you see the IRONY in the fact that for a bunch of MACHO MEN out there that this here thread seems to have EXACTLY the RIGHT EMOTIONAL CONTEXT established as it's SUBJECT HEADING???!!!

"I'M SCARED"...in other words...FEAR! Which THIS present U.S. Administration is EXCELLET at SPEADING through the collective conscience of this GREAT LAND!

AND...anybody with HALF a freakin' brain SHOULD KNOW that THAT emotion STIFLES the THINKING PROCESS!!!!

I REFUSE to be a party to this phenomenon...IF ANYTHING....OPPOSITE of being a REAL MAN....whether MACHO or not!!!!!

NOW....THAT'S IT!

Cheers,
Dwight