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I did not see that coming! I knew there were some smaller Harleys coming to India, but these, coming to a larger market, at an advertised $6700-$7500, should be interesting to watch.
The more the merrier.
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$7,500
480 pounds wet!
4-valve liquid cooled Revolution engine
6-speed transmission
Looks like a serious threat!
The only thing that might kill it is if:
A- the bikes for the U.S. market are not built in one of the U.S. plants
B- the arrogant salesmen at Harley dealerships (not all) treat these new potential customers like crap because they don't want a Fat Boy or an Ultra classic.
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Harley has stated they are after the "new" urban market, who are more interested in maneuverability than power. But the "Dark Custom", or whatever they call it, just DOES NOT have the same appeal as the earlier (20??) European released 750's. IMHO.
I'd still be more interested in the newer model Sportsters, even in 883, then I would these new, smaller, Dark Customs.
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Looks like the Sons of Anarchy bikes.
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I think they are going to sell a ton of them. Liquid is what the urban folks want. Constant temps when sitting in traffic, light clutch pulls, short so easy to hold and maneuver. Enough power for the 50-60-70 mph roads when needed.
They are thinking ahead of EPA and looking for the young with a cheap sticker. Lots of the young are not looking for a heavy bagger. Just a comfortable cruiser to use with the backpack for commuting.
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Bet they are spewing that Yamaha got their Bolt out before harley. They look the same.
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Porsche designed engines, built in KC plant(I bet the parts are sourced worldwide, so I wonder what the % of it is actually MADE in the USA?), great size and look for entry level bike. Good idea to catch up with the other manufacturers on small cc bikes and to take advantage of their name/brand to get loyalty started early.
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$7,500
480 pounds wet!
4-valve liquid cooled Revolution engine
6-speed transmission
Looks like a serious threat!
The only thing that might kill it is if:
A- the bikes for the U.S. market are not built in one of the U.S. plants
B- the arrogant salesmen at Harley dealerships (not all) treat these new potential customers like crap because they don't want a Fat Boy or an Ultra classic.
I grew up in a time when 500's and 650's where the standards of the day and the big bikes were 750's. You're right, I've been in Harley dealerships where they act like you are not a real rider unless you are interested in their top tier bikes. The sport needs entry level bikes and I think it is smart of Harley to offer some within their brand, it builds brand loyalty. Look at what Honda is doing with their new line of 500's.
I learned to ride on a Yamaha DT250, then bought an RD350, then an XT500, then an XS650, then anXS750. Yamaha all the way, they provided me a ladder for upward mobilility.
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Bet they are spewing that Yamaha got their Bolt out before harley. They look the same.
They both have two wheels, handlebars, & a motor...
The 750 should do well in the states, & the 500 in other places that have goofy license & displacement restrictions.
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New Liquid-Cooled Revolution X Engines....do you guys think this will be the next motor's they put in their bigger bikes?? ED 
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New Liquid-Cooled Revolution X Engines....do you guys think this will be the next motor's they put in their bigger bikes??
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I think it is unavoidable and inevitable. The EPA will mandate it and starting with these smaller, less expensive engines will ensure that the next generation - the now young and most likely to buy these less expensive Harleys will be more accustomed to the water cooled bikes as they progress up the size ladder as they age. IMMHO, this is a wise step by the Harley folks. I commend them, albeit, a tad behind the curve - yet very forward thinking for a manufacturer so caught up in tradition. By the way, an old fart like myself may find interest in these 'little piglets' at some point. in 40+ years of riding, I have never once been inclined to own a huge bike. Time, arse fit, and how they fair in regard to reliability will tell.
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Bout time HD did something besides same ole same ole... that has been their shtick for far too long.
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Bout time HD did something besides same ole same ole... that has been their shtick for far too long.
I totally agree.
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Porsche designed engines, built in KC plant(I bet the parts are sourced worldwide, so I wonder what the % of it is actually MADE in the USA?), great size and look for entry level bike. Good idea to catch up with the other manufacturers on small cc bikes and to take advantage of their name/brand to get loyalty started early.
At least they're built/assembled in the USA, Triumph doesn't assemble our Bonneville/Americas in England...no matter where the parts are sourced.
And Triumph proudly wraps itself in the Union Jack just as much as Harley does the Stars and Stripes.
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Bout time HD did something besides same ole same ole... that has been their shtick for far too long.
They've tried before and it never works, the V-Rod, Buell, and the recent Sportster XR1200. We'll see how well this is received, it will depend on dealer support. They're used to selling $20,000 touring bikes so these 750s might be seen as just bait-and-switch bikes to get 'em in the door. I can hear the salesmen now "...oh, yea those are the new foreign market bikes, not real Harleys."
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Great, Harley remakes the 750 Vulcan.
Never gonna work. They barely tolerate Sportsters, call 'em
"Girl's Bikes". It didn't work with the Sprint, didn't work with the Blast & these are gonna tank.
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Bout time HD did something besides same ole same ole... that has been their shtick for far too long.
They've tried before and it never works, the V-Rod, Buell, and the recent Sportster XR1200. We'll see how well this is received, it will depend on dealer support. They're used to selling $20,000 touring bikes so these 750s might be seen as just bait-and-switch bikes to get 'em in the door. I can hear the salesmen now "...oh, yea those are the new foreign market bikes, not real Harleys."
I'd say your prediction is probably going to turn out to be pretty accurate, OB.
(...but remember, wearing a pirate outfit instead of actual motorcycling gear never really looked "right" while stride a Buell or an XR1200!) 
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Bout time HD did something besides same ole same ole... that has been their shtick for far too long.
They've tried before and it never works, the V-Rod, Buell, and the recent Sportster XR1200. We'll see how well this is received, it will depend on dealer support. They're used to selling $20,000 touring bikes so these 750s might be seen as just bait-and-switch bikes to get 'em in the door. I can hear the salesmen now "...oh, yea those are the new foreign market bikes, not real Harleys."
I'd say your prediction is probably going to turn out to be pretty accurate, OB.
If I may, I beg to differ. I think it will work. It's marketed as an urban moped as opposed to an entry-level HD (although of course it will serve that purpose too).
I think you may also find guys with the big aircraft carriers getting one just for running "errands" etc. It also has the "revolution" engine ... can't be the same as the Sportster. 
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Bout time HD did something besides same ole same ole... that has been their shtick for far too long.
As a member of a club of mostly downtown hipster types (Yes, I'm a black sheep elder in this group  ), I see that THEY would not even consider a big inch H/D.
The large percentage don't consider H/D's period, but those that do, and those that have the H/D's, they are ALL, WITHOUT EXCEPTION, 74 inches or less.
Great guys, they are. 
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Bout time HD did something besides same ole same ole... that has been their shtick for far too long.
They've tried before and it never works, the V-Rod, Buell, and the recent Sportster XR1200. We'll see how well this is received, it will depend on dealer support. They're used to selling $20,000 touring bikes so these 750s might be seen as just bait-and-switch bikes to get 'em in the door. I can hear the salesmen now "...oh, yea those are the new foreign market bikes, not real Harleys."
I'd say your prediction is probably going to turn out to be pretty accurate, OB.
If I may, I beg to differ. I think it will work. It's marketed as an urban moped as opposed to an entry-level HD (although of course it will serve that purpose too).
I think you may also find guys with the big aircraft carriers getting one just for running "errands" etc. It also has the "revolution" engine ... can't be the same as the Sportster.
What sells here does not often do well in Europe and Asia. Example: Full size pickup trucks are by far the best selling vehicles in America and have been for decades...don't see many running around Europe though. Another fact: Harley-Davidson alone owns half the U.S. motorcycle market and they only build cruisers and touring bikes. These are not entry-level inexpensive bikes they have a very high profit margin (34% est). All the other manufacturers combined fight for the remaining 50% of the market. Harley has developed these new small displacement liquid cooled bikes for the foreign market, that they decided to offer them for sale in the U.S. is just a test and perhaps the beginning of a new line based on the V-Rod engine. We may see the larger displacement Revolution engine in future cruiser or touring bikes. Imagine if Harley built a bike like the Triumph Trophy SE with an updated Revolution engine...
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I have to say this water cooled 750, at 480lbs wet is a great concept. Very narrow and probably great flickable handling. This is what the Triumph scrambler should have been.
I'll try one out.
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Time will tell as far as sales go. Remember that Harley trains more new riders than anyone else in the USA. Harley needed a bike to replace the Buell Blast in the Riders Edge course, can't really use Honda Rebels when the Buells finally give out. While the little Harleys are mostly for the foreign market, they are needed in the States also,if only for training, any other sales are gravy.
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