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Awesome battery! You'll never go back to lead acid batteries. Mine is 3yrs and running as strong as day one - it gets high demand with constant short runs and lots of starting (1 start per 7 miles).
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I'm using a lithium battery as of this year. Talk about yer cranking power!!
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Oohhhh , how much $$ and how many CCA's ?
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Oohhhh , how much $$ and how many CCA's ?
285CCA 200dollars 
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lithium is the way to go but i think you will also need a different charger don't you (winter) and how do these fit with our current brackets?
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The lithium battery controversy is filled with lies. I've fully researched them when I got mine.
Don't need a differnt charger cause the cold doesn't affect them. But if you do want to maintain it for whatever reason a standard charger on the lowest setting is ok. They say they loose sothing like 1 percent threw the winter.
Mine is a ballistic, they come with a block of foam that u cut to make a big ole foam shim for it to go in stock location.
I paid 136$ on ebay for 270cca 8cell.
The bad
They go under 30% (I think) they're cooked.
They do not tolerate any b.s. from your charging system,my friend and I blew one up when his gs500 put 15v-20v to it for 10min.
No lithium battery manufacturers actually honor thier warranty as far as I found.
The good
Weight - there isn't any
Power - tons
Fit everywhere- mines under my control arm
And I ran mine down far enough that the headlight didn't work, jumped it with my car and no issues whatso ever.
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lithium is the way to go but i think you will also need a different charger don't you (winter) and how do these fit with our current brackets?
There is no winter maintenance required. As for fit... they don't. But I just padded it with foam bits that came with the battery and closed it up with the cover.
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lithium is the way to go
it helps the people in my head be quiet
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Based on this, I will probably go AGM instead.
I run a lot of accessories and I run heated gear all winter.
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That ADV info seems quite biased against lithium and incorrect in many areas. There are no issues with winter starts. They leave lead acid (including AGM) in the dust for amp draw and outlast them in continual draw by at least 10 times the time of draw. Sure lithium will die if you let them get to less than 30% charge but lead acid die if you let them get under about 60% charge. I seem to recall that our stock Yuasa batteries ARE AGM batteries and my Yuasa didn't last a year with my heavy requirements (see my earlier post above). But you'll save 25% approx on a AGM - but you'll get less than half the performance of a lithium battery if you have heavy needs.
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That ADV info seems quite biased against lithium and incorrect in many areas. There are no issues with winter starts. They leave lead acid (including AGM) in the dust for amp draw and outlast them in continual draw by at least 10 times the time of draw. Sure lithium will die if you let them get to less than 30% charge but lead acid die if you let them get under about 60% charge. I seem to recall that our stock Yuasa batteries ARE AGM batteries and my Yuasa didn't last a year with my heavy requirements (see my earlier post above). But you'll save 25% approx on a AGM - but you'll get less than half the performance of a lithium battery if you have heavy needs.
Well that thread is 57 pages or so long with real testing and data. While they LIKE Lithium Iron batteries, they also state the deficiencies I think very accurately.
I don't think that particular thread is biased. Base on what I read there, they would love to use a smaller lighter battery, but if you abuse it with lots of gear, and don't charge it regularly you are better off with AGM.
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I don't see how AGM are better, or in any area they out perform lithium. If you have a lot of after market gear a lead acid battery is going to die quicker than lithium. Lots of after market gear is precisely why I chose lithium.
Lead acid tolerates only a couple of deep cycles. Lithium tolerates many more. Lithium can produce many more amp hours than comparative size lead batteries. Lithium retains charge much longer than lead, not requiring maintenance charges that lead does. Lithium can't spill acid. Doesn't require a special charger (as some claim).
I've seen a video of a lithium battery on a bike with the starter turning over continuously for about 60 seconds (the spark plugs were removed for the test). The battery was still turning the starter strongly at the end but he had to stop because the battery leads were melting. You would be lucky to get 10 seconds continuous from a lead acid battery before it died and was beyond recharging.
But I'm not trying to sell lithium (although I think shares in lithium mining are a good investment). I'm just genuinely enthusiastic because I'm bloody impressed with the technology - and perplexed why some (not on this forum) seem intent on misinforming and promoting dying technology. But there is a place for lead acid - those with modest needs its certainly a cheaper alternative.
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If it were my money, I would get a high-end AGM and a Deltran battery tender jr or + , and call it good.
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I don't see how AGM are better, or in any area they out perform lithium. If you have a lot of after market gear a lead acid battery is going to die quicker than lithium. Lots of after market gear is precisely why I chose lithium.
Lead acid tolerates only a couple of deep cycles. Lithium tolerates many more. Lithium can produce many more amp hours than comparative size lead batteries. Lithium retains charge much longer than lead, not requiring maintenance charges that lead does. Lithium can't spill acid. Doesn't require a special charger (as some claim).
I've seen a video of a lithium battery on a bike with the starter turning over continuously for about 60 seconds (the spark plugs were removed for the test). The battery was still turning the starter strongly at the end but he had to stop because the battery leads were melting. You would be lucky to get 10 seconds continuous from a lead acid battery before it died and was beyond recharging.
But I'm not trying to sell lithium (although I think shares in lithium mining are a good investment). I'm just genuinely enthusiastic because I'm bloody impressed with the technology - and perplexed why some (not on this forum) seem intent on misinforming and promoting dying technology. But there is a place for lead acid - those with modest needs its certainly a cheaper alternative.
Well I am just learning about the technology and there is more misinformation out there than good information. I having a tough time determining what is the fact. The ADV RIDER thread has a lot of testing both in the lab and real world with completely mixed opinions. Those guys want so bad to believe in the technology it's funny.
So where does one actually get accurate information?
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I've got one of these I'm happy with it, apart from it being the wrong size. My bike requires a slimmer battery, whereas that battery is for the carb models 
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I installed one in Karens bike a little over a year ago. No issues and I charge it on a Batter Tender (not the special Shorai charger). No issues so far and Karen really doesn't ride much. Heres the link to my write up: Shorai install
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I installed one in Karens bike a little over a year ago. No issues and I charge it on a Batter Tender (not the special Shorai charger). No issues so far and Karen really doesn't ride much.
Heres the link to my write up: Shorai install
Why did you use this type battery. Just for weight?
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No reason in particular, it was there and I wanted to try it. I figured lithium would last longer than the others.
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Clay, if you have not checked the Deltran tech site I suggest doing so. It presents the info in a very straightforward manner: Deltran Tech Page
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Clay, if you have not checked the Deltran tech site I suggest doing so. It presents the info in a very straightforward manner: Deltran Tech Page
Okay, I read this tech page. While the lithium FE batteries seem to be better at face value I haven't seen any kind of list/bullet points about the disadvantages. Since I have my bike apart right now, I will continue to research.
Clay
PS Guys don't get the feeling I am trolling. I am an engineer and very anal about researching before deciding. to a FAULT. It's just my nature.
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...I will continue to research....
Great. Let is know what you decide. FWIW, you already have my recommendation.
Here's another related ADV thread on-point to this issue; it's another marathon read: ADV Vendor Battery thread
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What is the physical size of the Speedmaster battery? I am getting mixed info and my old battery is gone. In hindsight I should have measured it.
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For what it's worth, I got a gel battery when my stock battery finally gave up the ghost earlier this year. Here's the link where I talked about it. It fit right in and I've been pretty pleased with it. Steve
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What is the physical size of the Speedmaster battery? I am getting mixed info and my old battery is gone. In hindsight I should have measured it.
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Battery Family: Maintenance Free
Battery Type: YTX12-BS
Voltage: 12
Capacity: 10
Dimensions: 6" x 3.4375" x 5.125"
Weight: 7.5 lbs.
Metric Dimensions: 150mm x 87mm x 130mm
Metric Weight: 3.4 kg
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Acid Volume: 0.6
Amps: 1.2
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Other than price there is no down side to this battery. The one I have is rated at 270CCA, weights 2.1pounds, and is expected to last 2 to 4 times longer than a lead acid battery.
The only issue with the Lithium Iron battery that I know of is cold starting. When very cold they recommend turning the ignition on, but not starting the bike for a couple of minutes. With the power draw from the headlight and ignition it will warm the battery up and increase it's CCA, which is the opposite of a lead acid battery.
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What is the physical size of the Speedmaster battery? I am getting mixed info and my old battery is gone. In hindsight I should have measured it.
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Depends. Do you have an carbed or EFI Speedmaster? EFI battery's are shallower to allow for the ECM which lives behind the battery. Because the battery is smaller its another reason to go for LiFePos - more power for their size.
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What is the physical size of the Speedmaster battery? I am getting mixed info and my old battery is gone. In hindsight I should have measured it.
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Depends. Do you have an carbed or EFI Speedmaster? EFI battery's are shallower to allow for the ECM which lives behind the battery. Because the battery is smaller its another reason to go for LiFePos - more power for their size.
True that, which is why I've ended up with a too big battery 
However, I understand that from 2011 onwards, they've moved the ECM and the original size batteries now fit. Is this right?
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I don't know about 2011 onwards bikes. Perhaps a member with a newer EFI bike can clarify.
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Im just gonna put this out there... went to go start the bikes last week and mine clicked turned over but no start then it clickedddddd.
Karens fired right up.
I think I already mentioned it but I have the Yuasa upgraded battery (YZT14) and Karens got the Shorai.
Both have been sitting for equal periods of time. Given mine is a higher compression but I can't imagine it made that big a difference.
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I don't think there can be any argument that lithium ion is better technology. For example, I LOVE my lithium powered power tools over anything else I've ever owned. The batteries last longer, are stronger, lighter, and can be deep cycled over and over again. Lead/acid batteries are simply archaic in comparison.
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More ADV - dead lithium
Thats funny. He left the key on.
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