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R.I.P Margaret Thatcher. Although not universally liked a true example of British bulldog spirit and a strong will and I doubt there will be another like her.
I've had a good life - if reincarnated I'd change nothing!!
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Can't help but think of Ronald when I think of the Iron Lady. R.I.P. Baroness Thatcher.
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I have no faith in human perfectability. I think that human exertion will have no appreciable effect upon humanity. Man is now only more active - not more happy - nor more wise, than he was 6000 years ago.
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Can't help but think of Ronald when I think of the Iron Lady.
Lots of talk about the special US / UK relationship on the news.
Love her or hate her she had bigger cojones than most of the men that served under her.
RIP Maggie
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“If you set out to be liked, you would be prepared to compromise on anything at any time, and you would achieve nothing.”
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Thatcher dead. I'm sure she'll meet up with her old pals, like Robert Maxwell and Gereral Pinochet. Worlds a better place without the likes of her. 
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There'd be quite a few millions of people,[including me] that are glad she's gone
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There were quite a few of us on this side of the pond that thought alot of that fine Lady ! Her leadership will be noted well ! AND missed by many.
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The Iron Lady along with Ronald Reagan defined steel spine, RIP Mrs. Thatcher.
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Yeeeeah, gotta say I'm probably mourning the passing of Annette Funicello today a little more than I am of Thatcher's. (...though shallow person that I am, that MIGHT have somethin' more to do with the thought that Margaret never looked quite as good in a one-piece swimsuit as Annette did!) 
Yep! Just like a good Single Malt Scotch, you might call me "an acquired taste" TOO.(among the many OTHER things you may care to call me, of course)
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Not sorry to see her gone myself.
I would be unstoppable if not for law enforcement and physics.
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The biggest criticism I heard on BBC, was her handling of the nationilized industries and mining. Entire communities were devastated by the Socialized and false economies surrounding them. The Unions were going to run the UK to ruin. She didnt tolerated it.
She was also criticized for being "anti-Europe". A lesson could be learned today to not follow the economic failures taking place there now.
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"I'm probably mourning the passing of Annette Funicello today a little more than I am of Thatcher's"
I agree with that Dwight!
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"Don't let the bastards get you down". Kris Kristofferson
"I am only paranoid because everyone is against me". Larry [Frank Burns] Linville
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There were quite a few of us on this side of the pond that thought alot of that fine Lady ! Her leadership will be noted well ! AND missed by many.
Thatchers economic record, enjoy...
1980. Inflation at 20%
1981. Negative growth, investment down 11% on 1979 interest rates at 18%. Mass civil unrest with riots in Liverpool, Birmingham and London.
1982. £ in free fall, unemployment continues to rise, corporate bankruptcies number 11,131 for the year (Still a record today)
1983. Unemployment hits 3 million, manufacturing output 30% below that of 1978.
1984. Interest rates at 12%, unemployment continues to rise, BT flogged off.
1985. £ hits a new low of $1.05, unemployment hits 3.5 million.
1986. 1p cut in income tax (Gen election soon)
1987. Black Monday 26% wiped off the stock exchange.
1988. Interest rates at 13%, British Steel flogged off, income tax cuts for the wealthiest announced.
1989. Interest rates at 15% growth at lowest since 1982. Ten water companies flogged off amid huge criticism they were sold far too cheaply (Thatcher needed quick cash) Chancellor Lawson resignes in protest, Chancellor Major takes over at the onset of Thatchers second recession.
1990. Inflation at 11%, electricity industry flogged off.
1991. UK still in recession, growth for the year was -2% (thats minus 2%) Home repossessions peak at 79,000 for the year.
And that ladies and gents is Thatchers economic record, shamefull isn't it. Thatcher was great for the minority at the expense of the majority
And this is what you call leadership.
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The biggest criticism I heard on BBC, was her handling of the nationilized industries and mining. Entire communities were devastated by the Socialized and false economies surrounding them. The Unions were going to run the UK to ruin. She didnt tolerated it.
She was also criticized for being "anti-Europe". A lesson could be learned today to not follow the economic failures taking place there now.
Hmmm . . . let me think, she supported Pol Pot and Pinochet, petulantly stopped the free milk for schoolchildren program and claimed that Nelson Mandella was a terrorist. 
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Well dang, sorry to see this thread digress into a frontal attack on the character of a fine lady. Shame.
She was a lady of exemplary character and resolve.
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Wade - The truth is the truth. I made nothing up. If you feel the information I gave above is an attack, then maybe you actually agree with me. 
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You're right Cyn,
It's the truth.
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Oh noes! Let's all pretend the British economy was glorious in the 1970s. Let's all pretend that her opposition that railed against her economic policies for a decade reversed them when they came to power. Let's pretend she didn't correctly predict the predicament of the Euro. Let's pretend the Iron Lady, along with a Pope, a President and a Polish union weren't instrumental in bringing down a wall. The daughter of a grocery shop owner rose to power on her own grit, not by marriage or inherited wealth, she was the real deal, RIP Lady Thatcher
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OK. Truth be truth. Opinion be opinion. A nice human being has passed. A funeral is an inappropriate time to criticize the one in the casket. Call me old fashioned or whatever, but I do try to have respect for the deceased.
I sorta figured this would go in a political direction.
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Well dang, sorry to see this thread digress into a frontal attack on the character of a fine lady. Shame.
She was a lady of exemplary character and resolve.
I didn't see any attacks on Annette Funicello 
But seriously, as with any political figure there will be supporters and detractors. C'est la vie (et la mort).
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Wade - My comments were political. I haven't brought up her family, looks, fashion sense, absolutely nothing of a personal nature. Frankly, trivial nonsense such as that never hits my radar.
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I didn't see any attacks on Annette Funicello
But seriously, as with any political figure there will be supporters and detractors. C'est la vie (et la mort).
Come, on . . . we all know that you and Dwight are waiting for someone to photoshop Maggie's head on Annette's body.
Cherchons la femme . . .
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She was also instrumental for closing the Triumph workers Co-op at Meridan.
So for that alone she should burn in hellfire for eternity.
Likewise John Bloor should be the next person made a saint.
Dinosaur.
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"Don't let the bastards get you down". Kris Kristofferson
"I am only paranoid because everyone is against me". Larry [Frank Burns] Linville
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It's amazing how nasty the left is when a conservative dies. I think it says a lot more about them than it does those whose memories they try to smear. Without Thatcher, Reagan and Pope John Paul II the Soviet Union would likely still exist, I think that's what upsets them the most. RIP Maggie!
We all like to think of ourselves as rugged individualists. But when push comes to shove most of us are sheep who do what we are told. Worst of all, a lot of us become unpaid agents of whoever is controlling the agenda by enforcing the current dogma on the few rugged individualists who actually exist.
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Maybe one of those subjects that unaffected people should leave alone. Im American,I cant imagine I really should have anything to say about a foreign leader good or bad.
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It's amazing how nasty the left is when a conservative dies. I think it says a lot more about them than it does those whose memories they try to smear. Without Thatcher, Reagan and Pope John Paul II the Soviet Union would likely still exist, I think that's what upsets them the most. RIP Maggie!
Actually, the USSR collapsed under its own economic weight. "State Planners" were unwilling to turn control over to any mid-level or local levels. There were no incentives to create anything new. It became gangrenous and pretty much shriveled up and died.
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What's nasty about wanting her to burn in hell for eternity?  Ronald Reagan and Pope John Paul were GOOD people. Thatcher wasn't  I'll refrain from any further comments.
Dinosaur.
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I'm not sure how she ever supported Pol Pot, he left power in 1979 the same year she came to power. Did she and the USA feed the non-communist elements of the Khmer Rouge during the 80s, yes.
Was the African Nationalist Congress (ANC) ever considered a terrorist organ? That might be why Mandela went to jail in the first place.
Pinochet? read some history of the Falkland War to understand Thatcher's treatment of him.
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She (along with China and the US) backed him while in exile in Thailand. Furthermore, Margaret Thatcher expressed, to the consternation of the Foreign Office, that "the more reasonable ones in the Khmer Rouge will have to play some part in a future government". I'm going to try to shut up now. . . .
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Moderators;
Please don't shut this down prematurely and Posters; please continue to keep it civil.
Some of us truly appreciate hearing (and learning from) the honest opinions of others.
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The UN, the whole world, recognised his government as legitimate as a way to negotiate the occupying Vietnamese to withdraw from Cambodia. Regardless of the Foreign Office's consternation, they were wrong, when peace returned to Cambodia, a constitutional monarchy was established with the help of non-communist, non-maoist Khmer Rouge Thatcher was vindicated.
Every normal man must be tempted, at times, to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats.
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What's nasty about wanting her to burn in hell for eternity?
I'll refrain from any further comments.
I'll respond to the former: You have NO clue as to the magnitude of that comment, you should be ashamed and you bring a reproach to the biker community as well as basic humanity with that caustic inhuman remark.
And as to the latter : PLEASE DO.
I hope the mods close down this thing. It began with good intentions and respect and has digressed beyond what is regulated by the AUP as well as basic human dignity.
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You have NO comprehension of the misery and suffering she caused.
Now I really must stop this. Picking at it wont make it better.No ones opinions will be changed.No good will come of it.
By the way I'm an atheist.
Dinosaur.
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"Don't let the bastards get you down". Kris Kristofferson
"I am only paranoid because everyone is against me". Larry [Frank Burns] Linville
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Amazing how quick atheists are to use religeon as a club and usually be one of the first to do so in an argument.
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It's amazing how nasty the left is when a conservative dies. I think it says a lot more about them than it does those whose memories they try to smear. Without Thatcher, Reagan and Pope John Paul II the Soviet Union would likely still exist, I think that's what upsets them the most. RIP Maggie!
Actually, the USSR collapsed under its own economic weight. "State Planners" were unwilling to turn control over to any mid-level or local levels. There were no incentives to create anything new. It became gangrenous and pretty much shriveled up and died.
That was the direction UK was heading when Thatcher took office and change course, wasn't it?
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I dont know much about her or her leadership. I do however know its pretty damned evil be wish a person to burn in hell and poor character to be glad one dies. She hasnt been the PM for many years, some loved her some not so much. At least some decency and good taste should be shown in this case.
I have no faith in human perfectability. I think that human exertion will have no appreciable effect upon humanity. Man is now only more active - not more happy - nor more wise, than he was 6000 years ago.
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It is so easy to praise or damn somebody after their death.
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It is so easy to praise or damn somebody after their death.
Well Jerry, somethin' is tellin' me here that with the depth of feeling that Paul down there in OZ has demonstrated toward Maggie in this thread so far, I seriously doubt that he's NOW just beginning to express how he TRULY feels about her!!!
Yep! Just like a good Single Malt Scotch, you might call me "an acquired taste" TOO.(among the many OTHER things you may care to call me, of course)
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You're right Dwight. It's not the first time I've said a few words about Thatcher.[Before she died] Chad I'll show the same decency she showed to her"subjects". You folks had a revolution about tyranny I heard ? Now,ANOTHER message to myself,
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