 To Freak, or not to Freak: that is the question:
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"Whether 'tis nobler in the owner's mind to suffer
the loss of power of outrageous fortune,
Or to take action against a sea of stock parts,
And by opposing remove/freak them? 'tis a consummation."
After reading posts about the Freak Kit, the Ghetto Freak Kit and Brokenfixed's Jersey solution (sweet, btw), I am left pondering....is it worth it?
Under the tree (for about 12 more hours) is my Triumph How-To Manual. I bought it as recommended by a member (Marty) so that I can learn more about re-jetting since swapping my pipes. I hope this will give me the guts to move forward. But before I re-jet, I'm considering going all-the-way and removing the airbox.
Here I am, a newb. I might be afraid to commit to removing the back wheel, the fender, the battery, the air box. Ok, I'm a puss. I have put a license plate frame on, swapped my horns, de-baffled and even swapped pipe slip-ons. But those are cosmetic things. (Yes, I consider the license plate frame a mod.) But making changes to the way the engineers at Triumph intended the bike to operate makes be a bit cowardly.
I like the cheese graters and covers. I want to keep them in tact if possible for tool storage. I want to do it right. Any other newbs out there who made this leap, or experts, that can push me over the edge? I wish I had a neighbor/friend in Minnesota who has a similar bike, but all these suburban bikers ride in my neighborhood are crotch rockets or HDs. Nut up right?
"And enterprises of great pith and moment
With this regard their modifications turn awry,
And lose the name of action. - mod you now!
The fair Bonneville America, in thy orisons
Be all my sins remember'd."
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2007 America Black: ARK, AI deleted, Stebel horn
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You got my vote for "Post of the Year", slings and arrows, notwithstanding. 
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I was in your shoes back in 2007/2008. What made me decide I would be doing all the work is the $90 per hour labor rate at my dealer... And the fact I like doing that stuff. Take your time, read as much as you can, bookmark the Dinqua links for reference, post often and enjoy. It started for me with pipes, freak and rejecting and now ... Well, read my signature and you'll see where I'm at now 
SOLD: 07 Black BA, 39mm FCRs, TPUSA stage 1 head, TPUSA 813 cams, TPUSA 10.8:1 pistons, TTP #3 igniter, Specialty Spares Long Cannons, Tsukayu Hard Bags. 82HP/55tq
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I was in your shoes back in 2007/2008. What made me decide I would be doing all the work is the $90 per hour labor rate at my dealer... And the fact I like doing that stuff.
Take your time, read as much as you can, bookmark the Dinqua links for reference, post often and enjoy. It started for me with pipes, freak and rejecting and now ... Well, read my signature and you'll see where I'm at now
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I did the Freak, don't get much for your money but it has everything you need to do what you want and is fairly easy. You have to re-jet and open up the pipes to realize a gain from it. It changes the sound some and gives quite a bit of room under the seat for tools or mounting things. You can access them by removing the plastic side cover once the mod is complete. I would do it again but after seeing the kit I would buy the pods and make the brackets.
I learned all I need to know about life by killing smart people and eating their brains.
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I was in your shoes back in 2007/2008. What made me decide I would be doing all the work is the $90 per hour labor rate at my dealer... And the fact I like doing that stuff.
Take your time, read as much as you can, bookmark the Dinqua links for reference, post often and enjoy. It started for me with pipes, freak and rejecting and now ... Well, read my signature and you'll see where I'm at now
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SOLD: 07 Black BA, 39mm FCRs, TPUSA stage 1 head, TPUSA 813 cams, TPUSA 10.8:1 pistons, TTP #3 igniter, Specialty Spares Long Cannons, Tsukayu Hard Bags. 82HP/55tq
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I was in your shoes back in 2007/2008. What made me decide I would be doing all the work is the $90 per hour labor rate at my dealer... And the fact I like doing that stuff.
Take your time, read as much as you can, bookmark the Dinqua links for reference, post often and enjoy. It started for me with pipes, freak and rejecting and now ... Well, read my signature and you'll see where I'm at now
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Certainly not bashful about throwing that "John Hancock" out there either, is he? 
And you may see me tonight
With an illegal smile
J. Prine
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 Say what you will but I'm just relating with the guy about working on the bike. Heck, before I rejetted this bike (early on before I did the motor stuff) the last carb I worked on shot a six foot flame out the top (that was a 69 firebird). The bike started and rode with no issue. Easy to work on and fun too. Of course none of that would be possible if it were not for this forum and its wealth of knowledge, support and general all around ribbing 
SOLD: 07 Black BA, 39mm FCRs, TPUSA stage 1 head, TPUSA 813 cams, TPUSA 10.8:1 pistons, TTP #3 igniter, Specialty Spares Long Cannons, Tsukayu Hard Bags. 82HP/55tq
NEW: 19 Goldwing Tour DCT
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Here, here! I got their ribbing of you though. Cracked me up.
I tore apart a Honda Elsinore when I as 10, a Suzuki at 14 and an AMF harley Enduro at 18. Since then, any bike I have had has always been worked on by a tech. Now at 46, it's time to tear into my ride and make it roar.
I think I will eventually tear out the airbox and dremmel it to my liking. Then figure out how to make the right carb brackets and buy the recommended filters. Opened the Haynes manual from under the tree this morning. I should be able to figure it all out including re-jetting, just need the push and a guy with a Dyno.)
2007 America Black: ARK, AI deleted, Stebel horn
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I'll send a PM. I have the brackets, I used them originally then removed them to let the PODs be seen. I love the look with out the cheese graters. if you want the brackets let me know and we can strike a deal =) Here is a link to the post after I removed the brackets and reloacted the battery. http://www.bonnevilleamerica.com/forums/...3504#Post582403
"stupid's in the water these days, they're gonna drink it anyways, until they don't know right from wrong..."
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Clif, you have all the help you could ever need here on this forum. That and a user manual and there's really nothing stopping you but you. If you put your trust in the blokes and girls (beware of some of the older pretenders ha ha) on here which btw is the friendliest most helpful bunch you could ever hope to come by, then like most of us, you'll be embarking on what will be a really exciting adventure won't regret. I'd be trying to strike a deal with rGoldberg if I was you. Particularly considering the freak kit isn't a cosmetic item so a few scratches won't matter will it. Btw, when it comes to rejetting which again you may have reservations about, there will be someone who has already rejetted with whatever pipes you have so it'll be simply learning how to replace the jets you already have. Also, why not have a look at the dyno results table to see in real numbers the difference the freak kit will make. Believe me, it's great fun tweaking your bike and the satisfaction that comes from doing it yourself, especially when you experience the difference is intoxicating. So what's stopping you? Good luck. Stacka 
Staintune Pipes, K&N Pods, 45 pilots, TBS needles and 145 mains.
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Btw, when it comes to rejetting which again you may have reservations about, there will be someone who has already rejetted with whatever pipes you have so it'll be simply learning how to replace the jets you already have. Also, why not have a look at the dyno results table to see in real numbers the difference the freak kit will make. Believe me, it's great fun tweaking your bike and the satisfaction that comes from doing it yourself, especially when you experience the difference is intoxicating. So what's stopping you?
Good luck.
Stacka
Thanks Stacka, that's the type of motivation I need to just kick it square in the nuts and bolts. RGoldberg and I have have been PMing since yesterday. It's just a matter of time now before I post an S.O.S. message about it not firing, but like you said, the manual and some friends on-line will give me what I need. Happy New Year!
Cliff
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I am gong to remove my ARK, and modify it to hold battery or buy one already made. I will then install the K&N filters for the carbs.
I will also remove the Air Intake.
Starting my parts list, but I have a few questions first:
1) If I completely remove the AI, will I need that little K&N air filter or will the AI kit be enough?
2) I recently put on some Emgo 19" turn-outs, so utilizing Dinqua's jetting calculator I'm wondering what I should use for the Pipes? Misc open?
3) if everything in my carbs is stock, and the calculator says I ned a 154.5 main,what else will Ineed for jets, shims, etc?
3) Is it worth piecing this job out like this, or should I buy the Newbonneville or BC freak kit? Maybe BrokenFixeds solution.
List so far from FastEddy:
2- Air Filters K&N RC-2890(L) RC2900(R)
1- Air Injection Removal kit BC1002-0068
(2 low profile air injection plugs, 2 crush gaskets, 4 rubber nipples)
Am I missing something?
2007 America Black: ARK, AI deleted, Stebel horn
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the freak kit will come with the pods and also the little filter you will need. , so if you go that way then no worries, a little bit more involved to put on though. I believe the Emgos are similar to the TORS, i know some people running 40/140 but you will need to account for elevation etc. Others will comment on your pipes to be sure though. Get the jets that you need, always good to go down one size and up one size as well , and always a good idea to have a couple shims. They are all pretty cheap items.
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Good on you Cliff, Before I respond with any specifics, it's my opinion you have bought a bike which will get into your blood provided you don't lose your nerve and 'chicken out' so to speak. I and most on here would not like to see the latter happen mainly because we all speak from experience and remember the time we were just like you, pondering what directions we should take. Just that thank goodness I did take their advice and trust those who again were trying to convince a newbie, and so we come full circle where some time in the future you too may very well be tapping away to inspire faith in another newbie. . I'll look at posting tmw or so what parts list you'll need but suspect others will beat me to it by then but one item that needs to put on your list as a matter of priority are a set of stainless steel hex head screws to replace those disgraceful numbers currently holding the carb's tops and bowls in place. The amount of times you'll be dismantling etc makes it one of the single most important items around. The other if you haven't already itemised is a pair of thumb screw type air / fuel adjusters. You'll have to forgive me but I'm a bit rusty with my terminology as my speedy has had to take a back step vacation due to firstly some medical issues and then my getting used to my new Triumph Explorer. Finally, may I suggest when considering pipes or suspension or any other of the more expensive items, keep in mind if they are a little bit more expensive it's for a reason. If you can't wait, why not consider looking for second hand whatever's until you can afford what you're after later. That's of course unless you get lucky on the used but not abused front. Don't forget the hex head screws available from my buddy Fast Eddy. Stacka 
Staintune Pipes, K&N Pods, 45 pilots, TBS needles and 145 mains.
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