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Since others have gone to jail for even helping athletes use performance enhancing drugs, what do you think the chances are Armstrong will go to jail? If not for the drugs, perjury?
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First I have heard of this but the way I see it is if he has passed the drug tests he is probably not guilty.
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If everybody is doing it, to be competitive, is it cheating or unfair advantage? Never failed test, they want to know how.... 
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Since others have gone to jail for even helping athletes use performance enhancing drugs, what do you think the chances are Armstrong will go to jail? If not for the drugs, perjury?
It said on the news tonight the statute of limitations had run out on the perjury. It's been over 7 years. He still could be sued in civil court. So I don't think he's going to jail.
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It's been announced that Oprah is going to interview him soon.
I expect a lot of "softball" questions. Still, I gotta admire the athlete in him, drug edge or otherwise. And it is always gonna be a shame to end a brilliant career on such a bad note.
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Still, I gotta admire the athlete in him, drug edge or otherwise. And it is always gonna be a shame to end a brilliant career on such a bad note.
Hav'ta disagree on this one. There is nothing admirable about cheating.
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I agree. He's robbed the success from non-cheating cyclists, yet he gets to keep his fortune he made from cheating. I see nothing admirable about his character. He should be tarred and feathered or otherwise shamed before a worldwide audience because he chose to defraud the world.
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There are a few former sponsors and defendants that have a stake in this, so I am curious as to what he'll actually "admit" to, but not so much that I'll watch Oprah.
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I agree. He's robbed the success from non-cheating cyclists,
no he didn't, they were all proven cheaters. that's why they couldn't give his Tour wins to second or third place finishers, because they had also been caught doping
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His biggest nightmare will be the sponsors. They will sue him for the 100 million or so he took while violating his morals and drug clauses.
He will spend the next ten years in civil courts.
He is not a champion if he didn't get caught or passed the test. The champion ended when he did the dope. It ended when he denied he did the dope.
He didn't tarnish biking, he competed in our name. He stood with our flag and our support for the awards. I am well less than proud of him. He is not a victim, we are.
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Apparently he surprised his own staff & didn't come as clean as they expected. Looks like he's trying to admit enough to compete in triathlons when he's 50.
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I agree. He's robbed the success from non-cheating cyclists,
no he didn't, they were all proven cheaters. that's why they couldn't give his Tour wins to second or third place finishers, because they had also been caught doping
No. The other TOP cyclist were also cheaters. Finishing below them, or maybe not even being able to qualify, was a lot of legitimate athletes.
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Here’s my nickels worth, not that anyone cares…
Professional athletes compete and are paid to win. As a professional in any other line of work we use whatever we can to gain an edge over our competition, better schools, better degree, certifications, experience, workshops, etc. Why aren’t professional athletes allowed to do the same? They should be able to use whatever means are at their disposal. Imagine how awesome the NFL would be if all the linemen we roid’d up! Oh, there are devastating physical and mental side effect…BooHoo Take your million dollar salary, pay your taxes, don’t live to excess, and save some cash for when you are drooling or riding in a wheel chair.
Politicians buy votes, Scientist get Ph.D.’s, Businessmen get MBA’s, and professional athletes should get needles filled with whatever concoction they think will make them faster, stronger, taller, skinner, etc…
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What was the point of testing?
Kinda sums up my feelings.
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Here’s my nickels worth, not that anyone cares…
Politicians buy votes, Scientist get Ph.D.’s, Businessmen get MBA’s, and professional athletes should get needles filled with whatever concoction they think will make them faster, stronger, taller, skinner, etc…
off my soap box
I care what you think, Ryan,I just don't happen to agree. Someone working their butt off to get a Phd or MBA is not the same as an athlete taking illegal drugs to be the best. Now if all athletes took steroids and it was not against the rules that would be different and it would be a level playing field. Then they would have to come up with a drug to take to make people smarter. Then maybe I could get MY Phd. 
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I agree. He's robbed the success from non-cheating cyclists, yet he gets to keep his fortune he made from cheating. I see nothing admirable about his character. He should be tarred and feathered or otherwise shamed before a worldwide audience because he chose to defraud the world.
I aactually agree with you more or less. I'm just saying that it took a heck of an athlete, at his level, to compete and win against a lot of other great athletes, doped or otherwise. I wonder how far down the chain you would have to go to find one that was'nt cheating?
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He got caught. He enjoyed fame and fortune until. Now he has to suffer the disgrace. Such is life.
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I don't particularly like the bloke. Admittedly the sport of Cycling was corrupt so Lance mistakenly thought "If ya can't beat em (without too getting on the gear), then join em". The only problem was, "two wrongs don't make a right" and that's where he failed as a supposed leader in the sport. In hindsight, he could have had a huge U.S. market at his disposal. One where he could have uncovered the widespread practice of using EPO. Instead he zigged instead of Zagged, wanting to be that winner across the line. In saying all this, you've gotta say he's a talented man. Not for his athletic ability no, but for the way he headed and managed his successes as "A Drug Cheat" with the U.S. Postal Team over all those other Cycling Teams and individuals also on the gear. He was like a mafia king pin and let's face it, you've got to have that conniving ability to continually and convincingly lie unashamedly as he's done which does take an exceptional form of talent in its own right. The only problem is, he got caught. So from the top to the bottom you go Lance. You've disgraced yourself and your country. In saying all this, you've done sport in general a favour because drugs in sport has been rampant for way to long. Put that gong round ya neck.  
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He was a hero to me. Then I read his biography and I was completely disillusioned. I saw an arrogance and a person who manipulated and exploited others to build the god Lance.
I am also convinced that drug cheats are rife in the sport and you may have to go to the lower echelons of riders to find untainted ones ... But that needs to be done. If cheating is acceptable (as some have suggested) then where do you draw the line? Bribing officials to eliminate other riders? Sabotaging other riders?
I don't believe Lance passed all those tests. He found a way to mask or tamper with the results as is attested by too many witnesses to not be true.
I consider character to be of infinitely higher value than achievements or skills so I don't admire him for his craftiness or superior deceptive abilities.
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...If cheating is acceptable (as some have suggested) then where do you draw the line? Bribing officials to eliminate other riders? Sabotaging other riders?..
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Paul, that's what I'm saying. All professional athletes should be able to do whatever they want, as long as they are willing to suffer the side effect or delayed side effects, to improve their professional standings. I dont mean bribe and cheat, I mean performance enhancing drug should be legal. There will always be those that want to be natural, and there will always be those that want an edge.
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Paul, that's what I'm saying. All professional athletes should be able to do whatever they want, as long as they are willing to suffer the side effect or delayed side effects, to improve their professional standings. I dont mean bribe and cheat, I mean performance enhancing drug should be legal. There will always be those that want to be natural, and there will always be those that want an edge.
Every time I see this kind of remark (no offense, 'cos I see your point of view. Why go to all the trouble of finding the cheats when it could just be a medical battle of who's got the best chemicals!) ... I always have on my mind the SNL sketch about the all-drug olympics! Always brings a smile!
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Is anyone else wondering why in the hell Oprah get's this story?
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Money for him and ratings for her.
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Money for him and ratings for her.
ding ding ding WINNER!!!
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Mmmm...I'm thinking about it but I still don't agree. If performance drugs were legal then why not bionic limbs, or cloned athletes. Anything that would help win. I guess I'm old school or just old. I think the person that trains the hardest naturally, should be the winner. 
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If performance drugs were legal then why not bionic limbs, or cloned athletes.
some people tried to say Oscar Pistorius had an unfair advantage in the Olympics... but then again, some people are just stupid 
I have nothing but respect for this guy
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How about turbo Scooter chairs?
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Or demonic fart supplement. Gives you that extra boost and debilitates the competitors behind you.
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Except for his confession on Opra there is no evidence. Confessions usually are enough for a conviction.
Does anyone really give a damn?
I can't imagine why anyone other than the other competitors would.
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If performance drugs were legal then why not bionic limbs, or cloned athletes.
some people tried to say Oscar Pistorius had an unfair advantage in the Olympics... but then again, some people are just stupid
I have nothing but respect for this guy
I agreed - until he followed his "they don't give me an advantage" argument with whining in the para-olypmics that the other competitors had an advantage because theirs were better.
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Was that news on BBC, Mark? Because for all the coverage of the Olympics, the Para-Olympics got absolutely nothing here
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If performance drugs were legal then why not bionic limbs, or cloned athletes.
some people tried to say Oscar Pistorius had an unfair advantage in the Olympics... but then again, some people are just stupid
I have nothing but respect for this guy
I agreed - until he followed his "they don't give me an advantage" argument with whining in the para-olypmics that the other competitors had an advantage because theirs were better.
And now it appears he shot his girlfriend.
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Yeah, it appears that way... I guess we'll have to see. She was coming in his house at 3am, and he had a stockpile of weapons because he was afraid of crime...
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Yep, I suppose that could've contributed to this unfortunate situation, though initial reports are saying there had been a history of disputes between him and his girlfriend. Or MAYBE the "Blade Runner" just found out his girlfriend was a Replicant and was forced to "retire" her! (...sorry) 
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I'm not defending his actions, I'm just saying maybe he didn't just blast the chick because he wanted to...
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I know. I just wanted to get that "Blade Runner" joke in, THAT'S all!!!  (...you know me, Dave...nothin's sacred and "Irreverence" is my middle name, RIGHT?!!!)
Yep! Just like a good Single Malt Scotch, you might call me "an acquired taste" TOO.(among the many OTHER things you may care to call me, of course)
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that's okay, here's what Nike had to say... 
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