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After taking my America to local dealer for what I thought was carb problems, i'v been told that the gas tank has a lot of rust inside that needs to be taken to some "special" guy that would have to do the work. Has anyone ever heard of this type of problem? The bike is an '04 and I admit to having left it outside WAY too much for its own good, but I just never thought this would be a problem...and oh yeah, my Lady took the call so any and all information I just divulged could be totally and utterly unreliable LOL  Lee
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These aren't lined tanks, most manufactures' aren't. Your's must be pretty bad, you could do it yourself, but the chance of destroying the paint job is high.
This is why I always top my tank up before putting it away.
Every normal man must be tempted, at times, to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats.
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So wait, let me get this straight, the rust has been coming from the hole where you put the gas in? hmmmmm never heard of that. I'm just wondering if this "special" guy is gonna try to rip me a new one on this rust removal job. Might start lookin on ebay for a new tank or a regular Bonneville one depending on price
Lee
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Yes. that would be condensation.
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I bought an old kz years ago & the tank was rusted up pretty bad. i dumped a handfull of ball bearings in the tank & shook the piss out of it. rinsed it out a couple times with gas & put an inline filter on it.
we should do this every weekend!
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There are some enviro friendly water based rust removers on the market now, about $10 a Qrt..enough to do a tank easily., pour it in, swish around, once in a while over a 24 Hr period, rinse good with water, rust all gone. Run a vacuum hose in the tank to get some circulation 'til dry, then cream it, and add that inline filter, should cost about $50 total. Oh, then your a special tank guy. web page
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Don't have a cow. Aftermarket gas tank sealants are pretty common. You just clean the tank, (shake in some loose nuts and bolts, and shake, shake, and then shake them out) Rinse thoroughly with gas, rinse again with solvent (as recommended by the product you buy). Pour the liquid tank sealant in, swish it around, possibly let dry and swish in another coat. I have used a sealant called "Cream" for years on antique cars and bikes, worked great every time. You don't have to go to a "professional". There's really not much to it. Cost is usually about $20.
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After taking my America to local dealer for what I thought was carb problems, i'v been told that the gas tank has a lot of rust inside that needs to be taken to some "special" guy that would have to do the work. Has anyone ever heard of this type of problem? The bike is an '04 and I admit to having left it outside WAY too much for its own good, but I just never thought this would be a problem...and oh yeah, my Lady took the call so any and all information I just divulged could be totally and utterly unreliable LOL
Lee
If you still have the OEM hidden carb filter, it's probably plugged up as well
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Chemical tank liner processes must have come a long way in the last decade or so. Last ones I used, the solvents used to get rid of the rust and prep before lining, both can destroy the paint on the tank. I've only done it on tanks that were to be repainted, but the solvents were like stripeze on the existing paint. 
Every normal man must be tempted, at times, to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats.
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There are some enviro friendly water based rust removers on the market now, about $10 a Qrt..enough to do a tank easily., pour it in, swish around, once in a while over a 24 Hr period, rinse good with water, rust all gone. Run a vacuum hose in the tank to get some circulation 'til dry, then cream it, and add that inline filter, should cost about $50 total. Oh, then your a special tank guy. web page
The one guy in the reviews of Evapo-Rust rust remover that used it on a MC gas tank says don't. He seems to think it destroyed his fuel system.
Every normal man must be tempted, at times, to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats.
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Caswells gets good marks in the restoration camps, preferred over Kreem by most. Pretty simple process but it has a lengthy hands on time. All the same I think I might clean my petcocks and replace the hidden filter with an inline filter I could see and run some gas through it before I start coating the tank.
A positive attitude may not solve all your problems, but it will annoy enough people to make it worth the effort. Herm Albright (1876 - 1944)
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I suggest replacing the tank, & then sell the original tank as-is, or go all-in & get the original tank cleaned, sealed, & custom painted & then sell the replacement tank...
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There are some enviro friendly water based rust removers on the market now, about $10 a Qrt..enough to do a tank easily., pour it in, swish around, once in a while over a 24 Hr period, rinse good with water, rust all gone. Run a vacuum hose in the tank to get some circulation 'til dry, then cream it, and add that inline filter, should cost about $50 total. Oh, then your a special tank guy. web page
The one guy in the reviews of Evapo-Rust rust remover that used it on a MC gas tank says don't. He seems to think it destroyed his fuel system.
I saw that as well, I have used it recently on a friends tank, that I soldered up a leak on, albeit, not a Cycle tank, and it rinsed clean as clean can be with a garden hose without a lot of hassle. The stuff just melts away in water, I do not know what happened there.
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I've never used the Caswell system, but I've done more Kreems than I can remember. I've never done it on a tank where the paint needed to be saved, always either old tanks or new non-painted tanks. I imagine that the process can be done without destroying the paint, but the risk are high. If the acid bath and dryer makes contact with the paint it's like fingernail polish remover. (no I don't wear fingernail polish) 
Every normal man must be tempted, at times, to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats.
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Kreme has been around a long time so they must be doing something right. All the same the current knock on Kreem is an intolerance to ethanol over time. Never used either coating, I only read about them.
A positive attitude may not solve all your problems, but it will annoy enough people to make it worth the effort. Herm Albright (1876 - 1944)
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Kreme has been around a long time so they must be doing something right. All the same the current knock on Kreem is an intolerance to ethanol over time. Never used either coating, I only read about them.
I would refute the "ethanol" problem. Probably just another slam against this additive. I am running a "Kreamed" tank on my old Triumph and it hasn't leaked a drop in more than 15 years.
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I've got Kreem in my old Triumphs, over two decades with no problems. I've never use it for a tank leak though, just get rid of rust and always thought it was a good idea to line the tank if it needed repaint.
My brother had a Honda with a very bad leak, not weldable, he sent it to a company with a process that dips and bakes the tanks. It worked great, about $200 though. Don't remember the company name and the brother is working, can't use his cell.
Every normal man must be tempted, at times, to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats.
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Kreme has been around a long time so they must be doing something right. All the same the current knock on Kreem is an intolerance to ethanol over time. Never used either coating, I only read about them.
I would refute the "ethanol" problem. Probably just another slam against this additive. I am running a "Kreamed" tank on my old Triumph and it hasn't leaked a drop in more than 15 years.
Rich, I don't know why you love ethanol so much, the French invented it
 
Always remember to be yourself. Unless you suck. Then pretend to be someone else.
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I have no faith in human perfectability. I think that human exertion will have no appreciable effect upon humanity. Man is now only more active - not more happy - nor more wise, than he was 6000 years ago.
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Kreme has been around a long time so they must be doing something right. All the same the current knock on Kreem is an intolerance to ethanol over time. Never used either coating, I only read about them.
I would refute the "ethanol" problem. Probably just another slam against this additive. I am running a "Kreamed" tank on my old Triumph and it hasn't leaked a drop in more than 15 years.
I can't address this because I've never used a tank liner. Even so it seems Kreem has a very polarized image, either you love it or hate it. Google kreem+ethanol and read for yourself.
A positive attitude may not solve all your problems, but it will annoy enough people to make it worth the effort. Herm Albright (1876 - 1944)
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I second Caswell. It works great, and is very easy and fairly inexpensive process.
05 Speedmaster, airbox gutted, BC Cocktail Shakers, 135 mains.
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Kreme has been around a long time so they must be doing something right. All the same the current knock on Kreem is an intolerance to ethanol over time. Never used either coating, I only read about them.
I would refute the "ethanol" problem. Probably just another slam against this additive. I am running a "Kreamed" tank on my old Triumph and it hasn't leaked a drop in more than 15 years.
Rich, I don't know why you love ethanol so much, the French invented it
Can you say IOWA!........CORN! 
Every normal man must be tempted, at times, to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats.
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I de-rust them all the time with out damaging the paint.
Kreem tank prep will de rust one right nice. Just follow the directions and you will be fine.
I sure it can be done without paint damage, just not by me. Let us not forget, you sir are a motorcycle professional. 
Every normal man must be tempted, at times, to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats.
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