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Saw John Carter in IMAX 3D last weekend and the weekend before and really enjoyed it.
I think they did a wonderful job, considering the book was published in 1917 (A Princess of Mars) and isn't up to today's standard in literary quality. They did a good job re-working the ability to travel between worlds. I hope it does better at the box office. (crosses fingers) I'd like to see a second movie.
So if you like Sci-Fi or great effects, or grew up reading Edgar Rice Burroughs as I did, go see the movie.
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I hate to burst your bubble but the last I saw online, Disney was planning a $200m write down because of that movie. Sad, because it looked so promising.
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Have you seen it? I saw it twice. Your not bursting my bubble. It was a very good movie if you like the genre.In less than two weeks they have grossed 181mil. Not bad actually. I think Disney is hedging in advance, they won't write off 200mil.
IMO, the movie is just getting a bad rap because of the media. All the bad i've heard has just be re-gurgitated from someone elses critique. Typical American Modus operandi if you ask me. If people got out and saw it, like they have overseas (126mil), they'd like it.
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Just the sequel bubble. I wasn't saying it was a bad movie.
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I'm not a SIFI fan, but I love a good adventure movie. I haven't seen the movie, but have read a lot of professional reviews prior to release, mostly negative.
That said, comments and reviews on blogs by "civilians" that actually paid to see it loved it. I think Disney has only themselves to blame for this disaster. They didn't promote it at all.
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I'm not a SIFI fan, but I love a good adventure movie. I haven't seen the movie, but have read a lot of professional reviews prior to release, mostly negative.
That said, comments and reviews on blogs by "civilians" that actually paid to see it loved it. I think Disney has only themselves to blame for this disaster. They didn't promote it at all.
I'd recommend it. I recommend it over the book as well. The book was written so long ago, the quality is not that good, but it did inspire just about everything in science fiction, fantasy, and adventure fiction that was written afterwards. Star Wars and Dume both relied on many of the aspects of John Carter of Mars.
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Listened to the series on audio book in the last three months and will be watching this when it makes it to our theatre.Then again I went to the ice age movies and loved them. A sense of imagination is a great thing and one thing that age should not weary!!! Bring it on!!! 
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I hate to burst your bubble but the last I saw online, Disney was planning a $200m write down because of that movie. Sad, because it looked so promising.
Yeah, I read that a couple of days ago too.
Incredible amounts of money to lose.
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Incredible amounts of money to lose.
Not to Disney. It's just a small drop in the ocean of their profits. Release Cars 3 and they will make it back overnight.
I have not seen John Carter, but everyone i know who has says its a great movie. Personally I never take any notice of what so called "Proffessional" critics have to say. Remember it was the pros who said Fawlty Towers would never be a success. They sure got that wrong.
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I am a ERB fan from way back and really enjoyed the movie. after seeing it it was hoping that there might be some sequels done as well. But after the poor showing in ticket sales that is certainly out.
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I remember the John Carter books from my early days in the service enjoyed them a lot. Simple reading, pure entertainment. The movie is the same. Kick back and enjoy the ride. Great special effects and imagery, good story line, and solid acting. Flows well and is easy on the eyes. This all means I liked the movie. 
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I'll see this movie, but I think a lot of the it's problem is cultural. The original story was published 50 years after the US Civil War and prior to WWI, when print was the main media. People could imagine life on Mars and how the main character might have lived on Earth at the time of the story. Today kids know there is no life on Mars, we've had a rover there for a decade, and most can't or won't make the imaginary jump. Sad. 
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People know there's no life on Vulcan either, but that doesn't hurt Star Trek. I think Disney failed in two ways, interfering with the director/production, and marketing. John Carter of Mars is vastly more interesting than John Carter. They alienated the critics and like it or not, critics help drive people to or away from theaters. Word of mouth couldn't save it. EDIT: Today's kids don't know anything so I don't know how knowing there's no life on Mars hurts anything. 
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I think the last record loss for Disney was a movie called something like "Mars Needs Moms"? So, Disney stayed away from a Mars title. I don't think Carter was even in the original title of the story. "Today's kids don't know anything", man we are our fathers aren't we!
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I think the last record loss for Disney was a movie called something like "Mars Needs Moms"? So, Disney stayed away from a Mars title. I don't think Carter was even in the original title of the story.
"Today's kids don't know anything", man we are our fathers aren't we!
Yeah, except I didn't make any kids of my own. 
Ya know that sounds like friggin Hollywood. I remember a couple years ago Adam Carolla was working on a car-based show for NBC (possibly one of the incarnations of Top Gear USA) and because that lame Knight Rider reboot failed they canceled Carolla's show. The common denominator? Cars. That's it. The shows couldn't have been more different otherwise. Hollywood execs decided "people must not like cars." They've have proven themselves retarded on way too many occasions to count.
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Already posted my comments on here on an earlier thread. Loved ERB as a kid. It's true that they didn't promote the movie hardly at all, least not around here. I think I saw maybe one commercial for it. My son is a big fan of the books also, I turned him onto the series when he was 12 or so. He actually remembers the plots of the books way better than me. And I think maybe they did put too many things from three different books into the show. They should have just filmed "Princess of Mars. Plenty of stuff there to film, and the plot would have been better. Still, I'd say it was worth a view. Just not as good as I'd hoped.
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Already posted my comments on here on an earlier thread. Loved ERB as a kid. It's true that they didn't promote the movie hardly at all, least not around here. I think I saw maybe one commercial for it. My son is a big fan of the books also, I turned him onto the series when he was 12 or so. He actually remembers the plots of the books way better than me. And I think maybe they did put too many things from three different books into the show. They should have just filmed "Princess of Mars. Plenty of stuff there to film, and the plot would have been better. Still, I'd say it was worth a view. Just not as good as I'd hoped.
Ah the Therns from book two? I thought so at first too, but after i realized they needed a epic villian for the planned series and Matai Shang was the one they planned for all three movies. Plus the way they changed the traveling from/to earth is way more believable with the amulet of the therns than the "mysterious" self projection / astral type travel between planets.
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I was not dissapointed that I saw it in the theater.
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I'd say it was worth a view. Just not as good as I'd hoped.
The movies never measure up to the books for those who love the books. As good as the Lord of The Ring trilogy was, they left out way too much and got too much wrong for me. Still. a very good attempt. I haven't seen John Carter yet, but I'm sure I'll be somewhat disappointed but still enjoy the movie.
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I'll see this movie, but I think a lot of the it's problem is cultural. The original story was published 50 years after the US Civil War and prior to WWI, when print was the main media. People could imagine life on Mars and how the main character might have lived on Earth at the time of the story. Today kids know there is no life on Mars, we've had a rover there for a decade, and most can't or won't make the imaginary jump. Sad.
I guess that ruels out Starnger in a strange Land  
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Is this Critics panning the movie a ploy by the studio because I keep reading that the majority of people liked this movie. It's not what I generally like to watch but what's with the dumping on a movie that seems to appeal, did the critics not get the right things in their Goodie Bags for viewing the movie?
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Saw it last week. Thought it was a great Sci/Fi flick. Princess was smoking hot too!
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I guess that ruels out Starnger in a strange Land
I would love to see that movie, or even Friday (My 2 fav Heinlein books).
Just not a disney flick, it's needs to be R rated, like John Carter should have been.
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Is this Critics panning the movie a ploy by the studio because I keep reading that the majority of people liked this movie. It's not what I generally like to watch but what's with the dumping on a movie that seems to appeal, did the critics not get the right things in their Goodie Bags for viewing the movie?
This is actually the only place I've heard people say they liked it. Most of my friends didn't. I've been invited by other friends to go see it on Tuesday so maybe I'll check it out.
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One Canadian reviewer compared it to that all time smokin pile of western doodoo "Heavens Gate" also known as "Waiting for the perfect cloud"
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Roger Ebert compared it to Ishtar (mostly from the marketing standpoint)...
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Heaven's Gate wasn't that bad of a movie. It was way over budget, schedule and edited down to about half it's original size. But, who wants to sit through a 4 hour cowboy movie? Ishtar?, geez the old Crosby/Hope/Lamour "on the road to" series were better.
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The wife and I saw the movie this last Friday, and we both enjoyed it very much. If you are going to compare it to the books then plan on being disappointed. I have yet to read a book, then saw the movie version, and thought it followed the book very well. Most great books cannot be made into a 2 hour movie, unless the book is only 100 pages long.
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critics help drive people to or away from theaters.
That works for me. The more the "critics" hate a film, the more I will probably like it. 
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Obviously, when you read a book you get to direct the movie in your head. All the details are perfect, unless the book really sucks.
You're right about putting a book into a 2 hour format. A perfect example is the recent release of "Soldier, sailor, Tinker, Spy". The movie was good, but if you hadn't read the book it could be confusing and can't compare to the excellent BBC miniseries from years back.
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