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Three times during the past two weeks my 06 America would only fire on one cylinder. Once was first thing in the morning after sitting all night in the garage, I ended up catching a ride to work in a four wheeled vehicle. After work I checked the plugs and even ohmed the coils and plug wires, they were OK. Then another day after sitting at work all day it started up ok then after about 2 miles the right cylinder quit on me. I kept going then after a mile it started back up again and ran fine. Yesterday when I went to fire her up to come home only the left cylinder would fire. After 5 minutes the right header pipe was still just as cold as could be. I didn't have any other way home so I started driving her slowly. After 4 miles the right cylinder came on line and she ran fine the rest of the way. It doesn't do it on every ride. Any ideas as to where to look next?
'06 America, Raask foot controls, the bike use to be Graphite and Silver, now its Red and Black.
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Sounds like classic igniter issues manifesting.
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Exactly the same symptoms as mine - it's the CDI 
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There was a time when one of the spade connectors worked loose (but not off) on one of my coils and I had the same problem. Once I gently squeezed the connector a bit tighter with pliers, the problem vanished.
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Exactly the same symptoms as mine - it's the CDI
ouch, that sounds expensive. CDI, is that the Ignition control unit?
Last edited by Bruce; 02/07/2012 4:32 PM.
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Yup it is Bruce. CDI (Capacitive Discharge Ignition) and Ignition Control Unit or Electronic Control Unit are pretty much interchangeable terms (although I'm sure some techie would disagree with that statement).
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Before you condemn the CDI, swap the primary and secondary leads between the coils to see if the problem right cylinder now becomes the left one.
The coils don't always show a problem with an ohm meter.
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Your CDI could also have a small crack (probably where it is sealed), and moisture could be getting in there. After riding for a while the heat evaporates any moisture, and both cylinders start working.
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"Lighten up, Francis."
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When that happened to mine both cylinders would die. If it's that it can be fixed with a tube of silicone. Chy fixed mine.
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If its not cracked that sure does sound familiar. Procom would be your next step if the plastic seam is not cracked.
Bad news for sure.
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If its not cracked that sure does sound familiar. Procom would be your next step if the plastic seam is not cracked.
Bad news for sure.
Procom?
'06 America, Raask foot controls, the bike use to be Graphite and Silver, now its Red and Black.
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They are cheaper than the OEM by a lot. Procom
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They are cheaper than the OEM by a lot.
Procom
Wow, they are a lot cheaper than OEM. My bike is completely stock as far as the engine and exhaust goes, so would it be a simple plug it in and go or will it have to be programmed?
'06 America, Raask foot controls, the bike use to be Graphite and Silver, now its Red and Black.
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Yeah, they need to be set up for your bike. Lot's of guys here with firsthand experience can chime in about that one. Still though Bruce, don't rule out the possibility that a coil's on the blink. Stock coils are prone to failure. Replacing them with Nology coils is a good way to go.
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My bike I think is a number 5 map. I forget now. Yours will be like a 3 I think that is the default. Then again I have crc, (cant remember crap) disease. It comes with good instructions and support. Its a big savings.
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Don't we have anybody close to Bruce to lend him a CDI for testing? I thought we had a lot of guys in Georgia.
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Got the primary and secondary coil wires swapped. The bike started up properly so now it will be a wait and see if the problem changes over to the left cylinder. If I understand the procedure right then if the problem changes to the left cylinder then it is most likely the coil, if it stays on the right cylinder then it is probably the CDI. It doesn't give me trouble every time so time will tell.
'06 America, Raask foot controls, the bike use to be Graphite and Silver, now its Red and Black.
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That's the proceedure. Good luck.
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In your original post you stated that your right cylinder quite one day, and then your left cylinder another day. If the problem is in your coils then it will be in both of them, and swapping them might not tell you all that much. You might have to get a know good coil and test the bike with it installed.
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You misread the post I said on that other day that only the left cylinder would fire.
'06 America, Raask foot controls, the bike use to be Graphite and Silver, now its Red and Black.
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Don't we have anybody close to Bruce to lend him a CDI for testing? I thought we had a lot of guys in Georgia.
He's closer to FL panhandle than the north GA bunch.
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FINALLY. After switching the primary and secondary coil wires the right cylinder failed to fire this morning so now its time for a new control. I was worried about going very far from home with it acting up when it felt like it but now I know what needs to be done. Thanks for the help guys and gals.
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Thanks for the update Bruce. Hope the new CDI works for you.
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Are there any other choices for the CDI units other than OEM and Procon? I've never seen the inside of the OEM unit but are they repairable?
'06 America, Raask foot controls, the bike use to be Graphite and Silver, now its Red and Black.
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As far as I know, those are your only two options. Unfortunately, they are not repairable.
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