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ANCHORAGE, Alaska – Heavy snow fell in Alaska's largest city Thursday, adding to what already has been the snowiest period for Anchorage since records have been kept.
About 150 miles to the southeast of Anchorage, the Prince William Sound community of Cordova has already been buried under 172 inches of snow since Nov. 1 and is trying to dig out from recent storms.
Another 4 to 7 inches could fall Thursday.
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One of our local columnists declared that the warm weather we've had in the Midwest was proof of global warming. I wonder if the folks from New Mexico to Florida would buy that? 
We all like to think of ourselves as rugged individualists. But when push comes to shove most of us are sheep who do what we are told. Worst of all, a lot of us become unpaid agents of whoever is controlling the agenda by enforcing the current dogma on the few rugged individualists who actually exist.
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Global Warming my arse, it's friggen freezing here in Tennessee 
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Living in Ottawa I have been looking forward to Global Warming. I'd be able to ride all year round, lol.
Just heard on the radio this morning that the so called experts are now saying that it is only going to get warmer in the spring, summer and fall and that it is actually going to get colder in the winter in Canada. i guess they don't want us looking forward to warmer temperatures.
What I can't figure out is that if it is going to get colder in the winter they why are they worried about the ice melting. Seems they will say anything to try to scare people.
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everything I've read says we are still in a geologic ice-age, but we are between periods of glaciation (the last glacial period being what most people refer to as the last ice-age). given that, pump out the CO2 - if we can warm this sucker up, we can put off the next glacial period, which I'm all for.
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One of our local columnists declared that the warm weather we've had in the Midwest was proof of global warming. I wonder if the folks from New Mexico to Florida would buy that?
Mid 20's (F, that's minus something C) here at the moment. Not riding to work today.
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Here is Edmonton Canada we are just getting some snow today, was pretty much a brown christams, same time last year i was digging people out of 5 ft banks all over the place, temperatures have been hovering around the +8 mark, seen a bike out on the hyway just a week ago! I am ok with it this year.
LJPM.... i was born in ottawa (Orleans) and i remember all the snow we used to get there.
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People love drama and hysteria. As long as we react with awes and ooos. One day we are gonna have to say cool man ok and let it go when the dooms day predictions fly.
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well apparently Alberta Canada is uppose to be the next california! Woohoo, full year riding! LOL
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well apparently Alberta Canada is uppose to be the next california! Woohoo, full year riding! LOL
Nah, that just means that someday Alberta is going to have "the Big One" and slid off into the Pacific. Of course, that's going to suck for British Columbia, but that's their problem....
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Global warming, not seen any evidence here in the UK....
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Seems to me that the whole "Global Warming" hype is a plot by goobermental types to bilk more $$$ from "pollutor industries" and the average everyman in world in the form of mandatory CO2 excise taxes, and carbon offset credits.
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Seems to me that the whole "Global Warming" hype is a plot by goobermental types to bilk more $$$ from "pollutor industries" and the average everyman in world in the form of mandatory CO2 excise taxes, and carbon offset credits.
Well, I won't debate the whole global warming hoogobble, as I have very strong opinions about it which might get me in trouble here, but I am all for reducing emissions of all kinds. I see nothing negative about it, especially on those days when I can look out over Boulder or down to Denver and see that lovely brown haze all up the Front Range. Or when I see pics of beautiful downtown Shanghai, where the the windhsield wipers on the bus have cold chisels to mounted to the windshield wipers to cut through the air that looks like LA used to look in the late 60's and early 70's. Further, this kind of stuff is creating new jobs, whether you believe in it or not, other countries are acting on it and creating jobs because of it. Meanwhile, we bicker back and forth about it so that in the end, when we do have to buy equipment to comply with this or that regulation, it will be imported from aforementioned Shanghai instead of Pittsburgh. I have absolutely no problem using coal, but invest in new scrubber technology to make the emissions as clean as humanly possible. China is doing this, because they've finally seen that it's going to result in unbearable health costs and at the same time they realize that they can't grow their economy without a very diverse energy portfolio. That includes coal, nuke, solar, and wind among others. And I know the whole "regulations kill jobs" but even the Wall St. Journal has changed stance on this after a study showed otherwise. Yes, it kills some jobs, but in almost every case regulations create jobs in other sectors, in building equipment to comply with new regs, retrofitting buildings, etc.... Just a thought, whether or not you agree or don't agree, there is money to be made in preparing for it, money in manufacturing jobs and technology which this country needs desperately, and frankly, with an ever exploding population on this planet, we are going to have to work harder and harder to keep our air and water clean and usable. Just my 2 cents...
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A meteorologist friend of mine says that most of the "data" used in the claim of global warming is based in areas that were once wooded and now are industrialized.
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there is money to be made in preparing for it, money in manufacturing jobs and technology which this country needs desperately,
Yep.
And money to be lost by the oil and coal interests.
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Global warming, not seen any evidence here in the UK....
If your paying taxes over global warming, that meets the criteria of actual evidence to me.
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Right now it's 51 calling for a low like 44 so I will take some of that Global Warming this cold weather SUCKS!! 
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A meteorologist friend of mine says that most of the "data" used in the claim of global warming is based in areas that were once wooded and now are industrialized.
That was one of the gripes of the denier camp, so some of their main experts went out to disprove it by gathering data from alternate sites, only problem was, it agreed with the global warming studies. Heres a summary of the study that Richard Mueller did based on a $150,000 fund from the Koch Foundation to debunk Global Warming. It shows a temperature increase based on some 39,000 independent sources of data over the last 200 years with most of the temperature climb occurring after 1860 (roughly the real kick off of the Industrial Revolution).
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Global warming as a result of human activity is BS. We all just hashed this out in 2 different threads. This one makes 3 in the last couple weeks or so.
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Seems to me that the whole "Global Warming" hype is a plot by goobermental types to bilk more $$$ from "pollutor industries" and the average everyman in world in the form of mandatory CO2 excise taxes, and carbon offset credits.
I grew up on the shores of the Ohio River. When I was a kid it was terribly polluted. By whatever means they decide these things (I think it's based on shoreline length) Kentucky has regulatory control of commerce and some other things on the river. Pittsburgh was the biggest culprit. Kentucky fined the crap out of Pittsburgh industries but they always managed to tie it up in court and never ended up paying the total fines. So they tried a different track. They allowed Pittsburgh industries to dump as much pollution as they wanted in the river...but Kentucky would tax it. No appeals in court.
The river began cleaning up almost immediately. Rivers are living, moving entities. Within a couple years my friends an I could swim in it without getting sick. Now, 40 years later, everyone from Pittsburgh to New Orleans benefit. Pittsburgh lost most of it's steel manufacturing to cheaper stuff from Japan but has re-emerged as a high tech hub with clean air that people actually want to move to.
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Global Warming my arse, it's friggen freezing here in Tennessee
Nah, y'all got it nice in TN.
We're looking to retire there in due time, for your mild winters.
And oh yeah, you got some nice riding down there. 
We love TN!  
PS, I never bought into the global warming crapola either.
It's called WEATHER and it changes every day. 
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I don't believe anyone is against clean water or air. But, even if the earth is warming there is no evidence that CO2 is the cause or that 200 year temp graphs do, the earth is 4.5 billion years old. Man contributes minuscule amounts of CO2 in the overall picture, the oceans control the amounts of CO2 in the atmosphere. Increases in CO2 happens after increases in global temp not before. This has been know for decades, but there's no money in it. The EPA's move to regulate CO2 is nothing but a power grab. 
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Global warming as a result of human activity is BS. We all just hashed this out in 2 different threads. This one makes 3 in the last couple weeks or so.
Sorry Ian, we'll have to disagree. And as far as hashing it out, all I saw was postings about global warming being a farce without any real data or statistics to back up those assertions. If you believe that 6,900,000,000 people, over 1,000,000,000 cars,and over 2300 coal-fired power plants all pumping out carbon dioxide,carbon monoxide, and other pollutants, combined with the fact that we have massively reduced the amount of trees and arable land in every country on the globe and replaced it with buildings, asphalt, etc... has no impact on the planet, then all I can say is we will have to disagree. And yes, I know the statistics about how 1 volcano can put out more gases and all of that, but those are spikes, not an incessant daily emission that only grows. And while it's growing, countries like China, India and Brazil are all clear-cutting more forests, clearing more farmland, building more, and so on. And like it or not, what the Chinese do, or what we do, does affect other countries. Each country, or continent does not have it's own little climate system, it is all one massive system joined together by the jet streams, the oceans, and so on. The point is, we have ONE planet to live on, PERIOD. If we are gradually throwing our system out of balance, it is being done over a couple hundred years, and if we royally frack it up, turning it back around could take even longer. IF we can't turn it around, it's not like we can just jump ship and leave for another planet. I don't know what the long term predictions are, I'm sure the climate scientists are only slightly more able, since it is such a big complex system, but whether it goes drastically colder or warmer, we can't tolerate too much variation. Our society certainly cannot handle an ice age even approaching the severity of the last real ice age. And if we're talking warming, we can't handle that either. The loss along major coastal cities with a couple inches rise in ocean levels because of the disappearing ice packs (which has been easily verified by surface area measurements which are readily available from satellite images among other methods) could bankrupt this or any other country. Not to mention drought (like what has hit Texas over the last couple years or South Carolina a couple years back) and other things. Even the migratory paths over birds have been seeing changes. In fact, it might not even be us going as drastic as an ice age or toward tropical temperatures, the mini Ice Age we had in the early 1800's wrecked crops all over the plant and cause all kinds of problems. It could be just enough warming or cooling to cause a greatly increased frequency of severe weather like the tornado season that took a pretty heavy toll on the US last summer, or increasing the frequency of Katrina level storms, or a drought in the midwest where it actually affects our ability to feed ourselves and the world. What would happen to this country,and others, if the Midwest had a drought even half as bad as that hitting Texas?
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Increases in CO2 happens after increases in global temp not before. This has been know for decades, but there's no money in it. The EPA's move to regulate CO2 is nothing but a power grab.
Really, which global temperature increase caused the kinds of pollution that we saw in the late 60's and early 70's? That was entirely man made, and had it NOT been for the EPA enforcing the adoption of SOME kind of emissions controls on vehicles, we would look like China does today. Yes, global temp increases CAN cause increases in global carbon dioxide levels, such as is being seen in Siberia due to the permafrost melting and releasing methane and other gases that have been trapped in the ground for millenia, but they can also be increased by a Billion cars, and who knows how many trucks, buses, etc....
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CO2 is not a pollutant, that is a fiction of ppolotics and Malthusian climateers (profiteers). I stated that we are all for clean air and water. I'll give the EPA and Nixon credit where credit is due, but pollution is not climate. It's sheer hubris to think we can change climate, we will bankrupt ourselves trying.
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Here's another little tidbit of information. According to the Coal industry, we have a little over 100 years left before we deplete our coal reserves, which ain't a long time in the span of humanity. That's from the World Coal Association, not Greenpeace or some tree-hugger website: http://www.worldcoal.org/resources/frequently-asked-questions/According to their statistics, we are currently consuming 200 million tons more coal each year worldwide than we are producing. That means we need to be developing alternate solutions NOW, not waiting until we have 10 years of coal left. Based on current consumption records from the Natural Gas industry and global gas production, I'm coming up with about 22 years of till depletion of cheap readily available natural gas (250 Billion cubic feet DAILY of consumption globally versus 2,000 Trillion cubic feet of reserves based on info from NaturalGas.org, the Natual Gas industry website. Seems to me that a lot of long-term jobs could be created in this country alone by being proactive. Who knows what the answer will be long-term, probably some variant of nuclear, maybe fusion, but it doesn't seem very wise to just sit around arguing about it, does it?
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CO2 is not a pollutant
Fine, put aside the whole climate change thing, our population on this planet is increasing, as well as our output of CO2, CO, and other gases which adversely affect our health. Check the statistics for asthma and other respiratory diseases. Check the statistics for the availability of clean drinking water world wide. We can and do affect those by burning fossil fuels (again, look at China, you can TASTE the proof when you breathe there.
It does not have to be a pollutant to need to be controlled. Oxygen certainly isn't a pollutant, nor is nitrogen. But I guarantee if I put you into a room filled with 100% oxygen, your body will be affected, and if I put you into 100% nitrogen, which makes up 80% of air, you will die. Every system requires balance to function properly. The volcanoes, undersea vents, methane from animal dung, etc... have always been around and part of the natural cycle that makes up this planet. Burning of oil, coal, natural gas, etc... has NOT been around equally as long, and only began being burned on a large scale starting in the mid-1800's and skyrocketing this last century. Maybe the earth can absorb it, is that a risk you are willing to take if we CAN'T undo that assumption? Maybe it's a risk you are willing to take, but is it morally a risk you can take for your kids, grandkids, great grandkids?
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I'm definitely on board with new and alternative energy.
We need more wind farms and solar farms, nuclear power plants and drilling for oil in North America. These create jobs and reduce our dependence on foreign oil and the risk of depletion of existing limited resources.
Those that say "not in my back yard" should be agreeable to higher energy costs and pollution risks.
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Increased pollution of the 60s and 70s? here in America? I guessing that the air in most cities was cleaner in the 60s and 70s than 50 years earlier. 50 years earlier people heated their homes with coal, fuel oil or wood. they burn their leaves and trash.
The 60s and 70s was a time of environmental "enlightenment", besides we were a rich country we could afford the relative luxury. the transition to modern electricity and natural gas were economically driven by the economics of scale, not environmental concerns. CAFE standards weren't instituted for environmental reasons originally.
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Ah, I see now, since our skies don't look like those of Birmingham England in 1880, everything is hunky dory.... Have a nice day Mac.
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Gentlemen can agree to disagree, but science is a skeptical exercise. Have a grand day.
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This debate will never end, all I know is that it is 66 degrees today, sunny and I'm riding.
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High of ONLY 60 today but is sunny so where is this Global warming really would like to use it today!
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I am a scientist (chemist not environmentalist) and my biggest problem with the global warming debate is that science so often gets thrown out the window. Whenever one side or the other attempts to point out flaws in the methodology it is written off as being either paid for by big oil or coming from some tree hugger (depending on which side). I have read that the famous "hockey stick" curve was adjusted by 87 years in order to fit the industrial revolution. No explanation was ever given. I have seen data that effectively ignores the Medieval warming. And I still hear about temperatures (open northwest passage or whatever) higher (or whatever) then "in recorded history". The kicker here is that for the most part "recorded history" usually means from 1940's to 1970 for some records (i.e. see recorded history for open north west passage). I then see emails (granted they were stolen) where they are talking about adjusting data to show global warming. I have also seen graphs depicting the average global temperature going back millions of year where the average temp is about 17C higher, with occasional 20C dips for ice ages (we have only increased 3C from the last ice age). I have also seen overlays of atmospheric CO2 on the million year scale and there is absolutely no correlation between CO2 and temperature.
Even with all this I still am not a skeptic of man made global warming I just haven't been convince one way or the other. It is also probably a great idea to conduct our affairs as if man made global warming is true. At the very least we would be leaving out kids a better world.
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 I just wanna ride all that is way too much for my simple mind to handle,give me a COLD beer some hot wings and fart jokes and thin mint girl scout cookies.... Global warming or not it never ends like all other debates..all I KNOW is the duck crossed the road to prove he is NOT a CHICKEN!!
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Never been hashed out Ian, never will be.
Some see the evidence and some have their beliefs regardless of the evidence.
Winter is no more evidence against global warming than summer is evidence for.
Hence my yawn at the beginning of this thread.
This subject really should be added in with religion and politics because of its divisive nature.
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+1 on what Bill said..
So where are the good fart jokes??
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