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Okay, I have an additional question. I have found (courtesy of Craig's list) a used America it's a 07'. So no EFI... I have done some checking and reading and have found that there are some reports of issues with the carb on the CA bikes. There are some suggestions to remove the AI (?)....Can anyone shed some light on this for me?
Thanks in advance!
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"Lighten up, Francis."
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Lots of people remove the AI, but primarily to keep the pipes from turning blue.
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Any issues with removing the AI regarding smog/registration? Whats your take carb or EFI? Or is there not much significance between the two.
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"Lighten up, Francis."
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Can't speak to emissions and registration in California. Do they do a visual inspection? We don't have any silly emissions testing in Montana.  Jetting is definitely cheaper, if you're a DIYer. With the information on this site and tools like the jetting calculator Dinqua made it can pretty much be dialed in. However, the nerd in me would sure like to plug a laptop in and dial the A/F mixture in that way. Much more expensive to tune (whether laptop, PowerCommander, Tuneboy or whatever). I guess I'll find out. My Americas are carbed and the Rocket is EFI. Planning on a PowerCommanderV with autotune for that (someday). EDIT: I think the chief benefit of EFI over carbs is dealing with elevation changes. I'm sure someone else will chime in. I've ridden from 11,500 feet to sea-level (not in one ride) and only noticed some performance issues at the top of the range.
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In regards to the AI (air injection), it literally injects air into the exhaust, thus diluting emissions at the tail end of the pipe. The bike still puts out the same emissions, only that they are 'watered' down so-to-speak. I'm not sure how that adds up to smog/registration requirements in your area.
On the topic of carbs vs. EFI, it's an ongoing debate. There are absolutely NO problems with carburetor fuel systems on our bikes other than the fact that they tempt many a rider to tweak them for performance gains. EFI is something I've never run with on a bike but I'm personally glad not to have it because I don't need a fuel pump... one less thing to go wrong.
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Rich, back in late 2001 when I purchased my 2002 model year BA from South Bay Triumph in Lomita CA, I immediately had them(covertly) remove the AI system on the bike, and through to the day I moved to Prescott AZ in 2010, I never once had any problems with the yearly registering of my bike. That, of course, was because CA has yet to include motorcycles in their biannual vehicle "smog check". However, I DO understand that when that friggin' thick-necked and thick-headed glory hound of a no-good philanderer, Arnold, was about to vacate his "Cal-E-fornia Governator's" Office, the Austrian lowlife DID sign some sort of legislation regarding the restriction of aftermarket motorcycle exhaust systems AND I think possibly the beginning of smog-checks for motorcycles also in the state to begin in a few years, but this latter issue I'm quite sure about, and so it might be best to check this issue out on the Net, because IF this DOES become the case, removing the AI COULD become problematic for you later on. (...btw, betcha couldn't tell here that I always thought Arnold should've stayed where he belonged..makin' movies!!!) 
Yep! Just like a good Single Malt Scotch, you might call me "an acquired taste" TOO.(among the many OTHER things you may care to call me, of course)
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this new California law requires street motorcycles registered in the state and built on or after Jan. 1, 2013, to have an exhaust system label certifying the motorcycles meet federal sound limits.Check out full article...http://www.ultimatemotorcycling.com/new-california-motorcycle-exhaust-law
life is good..I am retired..sold my America in 2008,bought a Rocket and sold that in 3/2013 and now own a new Triumph Bonneville T-100
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speaking of mr infidelity, a lot of dismay arose after the AMA named him 2010 Motorcyclist of the year. That is one of the recent things the AMA has done that irked me and apparently a lot of other members. Dingman realized his f'up and addressed it soon thereafter.
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He is who we thought he is...for me, anyway.
Was anyone really surprised?
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I have no faith in human perfectability. I think that human exertion will have no appreciable effect upon humanity. Man is now only more active - not more happy - nor more wise, than he was 6000 years ago.
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speaking of mr infidelity, a lot of dismay arose after the AMA named him 2010 Motorcyclist of the year. That is one of the recent things the AMA has done that irked me and apparently a lot of other members. Dingman realized his f'up and addressed it soon thereafter.
Yeah, we've discussed this before, Jim.
Supposedly their whole point in doin' that was somthin' along the line of how Time Magazine in the 1930's picked ol' Adolf as their "Man of the Year" NOT because of anything good he did, but because of the impact he had had on world events.
And so, the AMA was basically saying that Arnold's actions in this regard would or might have a similar major impact on the world of motorcycling.
Yep! Just like a good Single Malt Scotch, you might call me "an acquired taste" TOO.(among the many OTHER things you may care to call me, of course)
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I wish the same were true here in Louisiana. Our only Triumph dealer 90 miles away in New Orleans chooses to gouge you for an oil change, doesn't stock many parts or accessories, but carries a wide selection of overpriced clothing. Our 3 other closest Triumph dealers are 200 miles away in Houston, Jackson and Hattiesburg. The local BMW dealer sold Triumphs in the past, BUT will NOT work on current models because they claim they need the computer stuff to do it right. That means I'll be forced to pay the New Orleans dealer ~ $1000 for the 12,000 mile maintenance. Quote:
As a former hondayamakawazuki rider, I'd say that dealer #2 knows that once you buy that America, you won't be coming back to buy overpriced accessories (that he doesn't stock) or that you'll return to trade for the newest advertised model in just a few months/years. Basically, he'll get money from you once and rarely see you again. Volume is what keeps those guys in business and my guess he's more of a "sportbike" center.
My Triumph dealer started out as a one-man parts/service shop that I had been using for over 25 years. Years later he began carrying Triumph, Ducati and Royal Enfield. Unfortunately he closed a few years back (probably the economy). Even though I've got a Honda dealer nearby that now carries the Triumph/Ducati brands, I prefer to use the service dept. at the local Yamaha dealer that I've also used for 20+ years. They've had no problems handling the carb jetting, tires and other things I don't feel like dealing with. Everything you'll ever need to know about Triumph is addressed on this board - one of the few websites I read that doesn't recommend a dealer visit for every little issue.
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Hey Moe, why can't we elect the ex-governator as "doctor of the year" in retaliation? 
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We are getting a new dealership here in Houston, On 45 north before ya get to the beltway comming from down town. AJ Foyt, Its in a horrible location and will probably fail, but the Corporate office in the UK turned down an offer right here in Conroe where it should be. At least between Spring and Conroe where people are willing to actually ride one. There are more riders out side of the beltway than inside, and more than that up here. There are nearly 100,000 members of the Cut and Shoot Hog group up here, and many more who ride other types of bikes. montgomery county is the fastest growing county in the Houston area, which is growning faster than any where else in the country.
I have no faith in human perfectability. I think that human exertion will have no appreciable effect upon humanity. Man is now only more active - not more happy - nor more wise, than he was 6000 years ago.
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some reports of issues with the carb on the CA bikes. There are some suggestions to remove the AI (?)....Can anyone shed some light
I had to remove the Ca emissions stuff on Karen's bike. I think one of the solenoids was bad and caused the bike to behave like it was running low on fuel. Since the removal a few years ago no issue.
SOLD: 07 Black BA, 39mm FCRs, TPUSA stage 1 head, TPUSA 813 cams, TPUSA 10.8:1 pistons, TTP #3 igniter, Specialty Spares Long Cannons, Tsukayu Hard Bags. 82HP/55tq
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2007 Speedmaster and miss it!
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Ole Arnold, its tough to not have a special purpose.
I have no faith in human perfectability. I think that human exertion will have no appreciable effect upon humanity. Man is now only more active - not more happy - nor more wise, than he was 6000 years ago.
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I gave myself a fantastic St. Patrick's Day present in 2008 when a went to a Triumph with a wad of cash. I used to have a Bonneville and my problem with it was that at 60 MPH or above it about tore me off the seat and a windshield buffetted me to death.
It was a '79 Bonneville Special and weighed only 395 lbs.
I looked over the Speedmaster that weighed 550 lbs and sat low with my feet flat on floor when stopped. I liked it.
My only problem was that they only had a few on the floor and none of them was a color I liked.
The sales dude took me into the back storage shed and ripped the paper offa on still in the crate from England and showed me the tank. I bought it.
A few days later I rode home with a brand new 2007 Speedmaster.
Fifteen thousand miles later I still love it. I do my own oil changes and such and I only had two problems. Once it started to caugh and stumble and I took it to the dealer. There was some debris in a breather tube and he blew it out. Problem solved. No charge.
2nd problem was when I hit something on the road and it came up and smacked the kickstand switch and the bike would not start. I trailered it to the dealer and again fixed in no time for no charge.
At 12K I had the dealer check the valve clearances. No adjustment needed and cost me only $80.
I replaced the front tire (dried out from the Vegas sun) and a battery.
Other than oil changes that is all I ever spent on it. It goes like the Everready Rabbit and haul my fat butt (255 lbs) everywhere I want to go.
However I do not like the way it handles on dirt roads, so I stay on the hardstuff.
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(...btw, betcha couldn't tell here that I always thought Arnold should've stayed where he belonged..makin' movies!!!)
uhm..... Arnold should be in movies? 
Whaaa....you got a problem????  I always thought he qualified for the silent ones  .....
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(...btw, betcha couldn't tell here that I always thought Arnold should've stayed where he belonged..makin' movies!!!)
uhm..... Arnold should be in movies?
Whaaa....you got a problem???? I always thought he qualified for the silent ones .....
WHAT?! 
Waddaya mean here, Greg?!!! And miss all those classic lines such as "I'll be Bach!"???
(...though I have to admit I was never really sure if he meant "Johann SEBASTIAN Bach" or "Johann CHRISTIAN Bach"!!!) 
Yep! Just like a good Single Malt Scotch, you might call me "an acquired taste" TOO.(among the many OTHER things you may care to call me, of course)
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Conan, was the greatest movies ever man.
I have no faith in human perfectability. I think that human exertion will have no appreciable effect upon humanity. Man is now only more active - not more happy - nor more wise, than he was 6000 years ago.
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(...btw, betcha couldn't tell here that I always thought Arnold should've stayed where he belonged..makin' movies!!!)
uhm..... Arnold should be in movies?
Whaaa....you got a problem???? I always thought he qualified for the silent ones .....
WHAT?!
Waddaya mean here, Greg?!!! And miss all those classic lines such as "I'll be Bach!"???
Common Dwight,
.....your response implied several one liners...... still waiting.....  
Silent movie it is.
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Wow, the second dealer is a moron, don't go back, life's too short to waste a minute talking to him. I got my Speedmaster from my twin brother when he died. I have had many bikes of most varieties. I now have six and a half bikes, (I build customs, one is about half way done). I have 2 Harleys and 2 Triumphs. My Speedmaster is my favorite, (maybe because it was Kevin's). Buy it you can't go wrong. It has more soul than any Japanese bike ever built, imho. 
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Wow, the second dealer is a moron, don't go back, life's too short to waste a minute talking to him. I got my Speedmaster from my twin brother when he died. I have had many bikes of most varieties. I now have six and a half bikes, (I build customs, one is about half way done). I have 2 Harleys and 2 Triumphs. My Speedmaster is my favorite, (maybe because it was Kevin's). Buy it you can't go wrong. It has more soul than any Japanese bike ever built, imho.
Yep, that's the thing, they got soul. If the Japs ever figure out how to inject a little in their machines, they'd sell even more.
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My 2005 TBA still gets more complements than my 2011 BMW 1200RT and I paid twice as much for the BMW. Guess you can't but love Only noncollision maintence has been igniter and front brake disk. Both replaced under warrenty. Otherwise, just replace tires, fuel and ride. And please don't run over any crooked road signs before you do the 500 mile maintenance. 
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