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Every normal man must be tempted, at times, to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats.
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I have no faith in human perfectability. I think that human exertion will have no appreciable effect upon humanity. Man is now only more active - not more happy - nor more wise, than he was 6000 years ago.
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Why don't they spend their time on something important!
Have a heart that never hardens, a temper that never tires, a touch that never hurts. - Charles Dickens
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Why don't they spend their time on something important!
You mean like stopping illegal immigration???
It's a shame really. If I played guitar, I'd buy a gibson just to show my support for them.
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I have played the guitar for a life time and started as a celtic and then flamenco ( old school ) player. I have built classical and flamenco instruments for myself using bone and Ebony . I have played the best instruments and those instruments have ivory nuts and saddles and the best ebony fingerboards . The rosewood used and the spruce used for the bodies and tops are superb. Very few people buy these instruments , they are expensive and still rare . Very little ivory and ebony go into a guitar , the rosewoods and mahogany's are thin slices of boards. A little wood goes a very long way.
A guitar might take a year to build , three months for a master instrument is a fast build .
A guitar built from proven materials is a work of art and sounds as such . Plastic and carbon and junk wood don't do justice to instruments.
Gibson guitars today are not the best by any means and everyone in the trade knows it...but they don't build that many using precious materials.
I will bet my cats virginity that the Chinese are behind this , they have completely decimated the luthiers in the middle and lower trade . In the top of the trade , guitars of six grand a piece ( Jazz and classical and steel strung ac.) or more , don't sell that well and use little material.
Picking on Gibson ( what's left of it ) is a bad joke at best.
Armed men raiding a luthiers shop is beyond funny and a little sick making.
Right now the better luthiers of America must be struggling to hide their stock and boards afraid of the knock on the door from fat handed , slimey bastards working for the Al gore brigade.
One last note , the guitar market is either Korean or Chinese and has been for years . Some count wants to close the industry down in the US. My bet is some ass in the Feds took a payment from China to knock out what little competition is left.
A note on rockers and Blues players . The guitars with the most sweet sustain ( Before the electronics kick in ) have ivory nuts and ebony boards. The bodies are not usually precious woods but their veneers often are , adding to the sweetness of the instrument.
The perfect guitar as far as the sh its in the gov and the greenies are concerned is made of particle board and plastic and are worthless.
A question to the counts in the feds who busted Gibson. 1. How long before you hit the violin , viola and Cello builders ??? 2. Have you hit Steinway yet ? 3. How long before Bill And Sue's Lutherie are busted so you can haul off a half pound of ebony and maybe a few grams of Ivory.
NOW IT"S PERSONAL , I have had all I can take from big BRO , bis SIS and loon Gore.
You just pushed the finest instrument builders on the planet into a box with dope peddlars. What a crock.
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Using minute details trying to justify their jobs, while they let the big and important stuff pass right under their noses....
Yep, that's government policy at its finest....
They say that the world is what you make of it.....
But sometimes, the pull from the greedy and disrespectful is so strong, it is hard to see it that way....
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Ryk I am glad you went on the rant rather than me cause thats were I was headed.
I have no faith in human perfectability. I think that human exertion will have no appreciable effect upon humanity. Man is now only more active - not more happy - nor more wise, than he was 6000 years ago.
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Not my rant, but I am in line with what this fellow had to say, votes have consequences, I do hope we get to again.
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Fender, Taylor, Rickenbacker, Danelectro, Carvin, MusicMan, and ESP are in California; Spector is in New York; Martin is in Pennsylvania; Guild, Ovation, and Hamer are in Connecticut; Alvarez is in Missouri; B.C. Rich is in Kentucky; Heritage is in Michigan; Washburn is in Illinois; Gibson is in Tennessee; Peavey is in Mississippi. All these manufactures basically use the same wood and sources. But, Gibson and Peavey are the only companies being harassed by DOJ since 2009. The only thing I can figure out is that they are the only ones operating in right to work states. 
Every normal man must be tempted, at times, to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats.
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Fender, Taylor, Rickenbacker, Danelectro, Carvin, MusicMan, and ESP
are in California;
Spector is in New York;
Martin is in Pennsylvania;
Guild, Ovation, and Hamer are in Connecticut;
Alvarez is in Missouri;
B.C. Rich is in Kentucky;
Heritage is in Michigan;
Washburn is in Illinois;
Gibson is in Tennessee;
Peavey is in Mississippi.
All these manufactures basically use the same wood and sources. But, Gibson and Peavey are the only companies being harassed by DOJ since 2009. The only thing I can figure out is that they are the only ones operating in right to work states.
Or they made contributions to the wrong side?
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Fender, Taylor, Rickenbacker, Danelectro, Carvin, MusicMan, and ESP
are in California;
Spector is in New York;
Martin is in Pennsylvania;
Guild, Ovation, and Hamer are in Connecticut;
Alvarez is in Missouri;
B.C. Rich is in Kentucky;
Heritage is in Michigan;
Washburn is in Illinois;
Gibson is in Tennessee;
Peavey is in Mississippi.
All these manufactures basically use the same wood and sources. But, Gibson and Peavey are the only companies being harassed by DOJ since 2009. The only thing I can figure out is that they are the only ones operating in right to work states.
Or they made contributions to the wrong side?
Or both??
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Every normal man must be tempted, at times, to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats.
H. L. Mencken
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Another example of the problems of an agency playing judge jury and executioner.
We used to deliver gasoline to gas stations in an exempt from oxy fuels county. One day an EPA inspector toured all the stations telling them they were selling illegal (non-oxy) fuel and to continue to do so would ensure they will get very large fines from EPA. She was wrong. We almost lost a number of accounts from this arrogant blunder. When we caught up with the inspector, she insisted (without checking) she was right. When it was determined she was wrong, do you think the EPA or the inspector took the time to tell the stations a huge error was made an no fines would be forthcoming?
Ha ha ha ha...
No.
Thank God we aren't getting all the government we're paying for...
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It's a shame that one story serves up such a tidy but misleading story. Gibson has been under scrutiny for a much longer time and this latest round of inspections was begun by a July 2008 buying trip to Madagascar where the wood rep made arrangements to grey market banned woods via India. It just took until 2009 for the shipments to arrive in the US. Perhaps if the Gibson folks hadn't ruined their stores of exotic woods by locating the storehouse beside the Cumberland River this wouldn't have become an issue. You'll note that Gallagher Guitars , handmade in southern Tennessee and holders of some nice stores of pre-ban woods is never mentioned. The rest of this story is just a red herring to take the spotlight off the fact that Gibson is in deep financial trouble and a candidate for collapse. This is my industry, my career, my work. I'm intimate with all of the major and many of the minor guitar makers and my current act, a Gibson endorsee, is chock full of J-200s and Les Pauls. Doesn't keep me from recognizing that Gibson (and Peavey) are playing loose and free with the rules trying to get their mojo back.
A positive attitude may not solve all your problems, but it will annoy enough people to make it worth the effort. Herm Albright (1876 - 1944)
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After so many folks went along with the 'Patriot Act' (most misleading name ever) we gave up most of our Constitutional rights. All anyone has to do is 'invoke' the PA and anything goes.
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Fender, Taylor, Rickenbacker, Danelectro, Carvin, MusicMan, and ESP
are in California;
Spector is in New York;
Martin is in Pennsylvania;
Guild, Ovation, and Hamer are in Connecticut;
Alvarez is in Missouri;
B.C. Rich is in Kentucky;
Heritage is in Michigan;
Washburn is in Illinois;
Gibson is in Tennessee;
Peavey is in Mississippi.
All these manufactures basically use the same wood and sources. But, Gibson and Peavey are the only companies being harassed by DOJ since 2009. The only thing I can figure out is that they are the only ones operating in right to work states.
How many of those companies buy a ton of their instruments from Samick? I know Washburn, Epiphone, Squire, and Hohner do and I'm pretty sure about Peavey. I think something like 20% or 30% of the guitars in the world can probably be traced back to a Samick factory in Asia. Their US operations are in Gallatin, TN. They also own a big chunk of Steinway Musical Instruments. Don't get too caught up in the name on your guitar. Good chance it's made by Samick. While I used to own an old Gibson, I just go by how a guitar plays. Never liked Ovations, but some people swear by them. Love my little Washburn that I'm sure is made by Samick. Best acoustic I've ever owned is a big bodied Yamaha I bought 35 years ago. Still play it.
As most of the laws pertaining to all this were written a long time ago and the Fish and Wildlife Service is chocked full of Charles Taylor ('Chainsaw Charlie') appointees and cronies, I don't see where there are political or 'right-to-work' (another misleading name)issues. Personally, all things being equal, I don't buy products from 'right to underpay and not provide healthcare' states.
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It's a shame that one story serves up such a tidy but misleading story. Gibson has been under scrutiny for a much longer time and this latest round of inspections was begun by a July 2008 buying trip to Madagascar where the wood rep made arrangements to grey market banned woods via India. It just took until 2009 for the shipments to arrive in the US. Perhaps if the Gibson folks hadn't ruined their stores of exotic woods by locating the storehouse beside the Cumberland River this wouldn't have become an issue.
You'll note that Gallagher Guitars , handmade in southern Tennessee and holders of some nice stores of pre-ban woods is never mentioned. The rest of this story is just a red herring to take the spotlight off the fact that Gibson is in deep financial trouble and a candidate for collapse.
This is my industry, my career, my work. I'm intimate with all of the major and many of the minor guitar makers and my current act, a Gibson endorsee, is chock full of J-200s and Les Pauls. Doesn't keep me from recognizing that Gibson (and Peavey) are playing loose and free with the rules trying to get their mojo back.
Thanks for your insight into this whole thing, Ed. 
Ya know, somethin' was tellin' me here that there just HAD to be somethin' more to all this than just that "bad ol' Al Gore" and/or all those "tree-huggers" and/or "that bad ol' guv'ment" rearing their ugly heads again. BUT, because I DIDN'T know enough of the FACTS, I wasn't going to say anything here.
(...HINT HINT, to all the RANTER around here!!!!) 
Yep! Just like a good Single Malt Scotch, you might call me "an acquired taste" TOO.(among the many OTHER things you may care to call me, of course)
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"Lighten up, Francis."
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I really couldn't figure out how Gore got pulled into this thread, then I remembered, thread about trees, personality of a stump, and that ain't political. He's a stiff. Actually, y'all should have a little more respect for the man, since if it weren't for him we wouldn't have this forum <insert gore-invented-the-internet-joke here>.
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Well, I'll certainly agree with ya that there are TONS of things with which we can joke about when it comes to Al Bore...errr...I mean Al Gore, BUT maybe in THIS particular case, usin' him as the "Whippin' Boy" might not be the whole story, eh John?!
(...well, at least according to Ed here, anyway)
Yep! Just like a good Single Malt Scotch, you might call me "an acquired taste" TOO.(among the many OTHER things you may care to call me, of course)
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Btw John, you DO realize don't ya that it's a pretty sad state of affairs when I'M "the voice of reason" around these here parts, RIGHT?!  (...heck, just ask UncleCharlie...HE'LL tell ya THAT!!!!)  
Yep! Just like a good Single Malt Scotch, you might call me "an acquired taste" TOO.(among the many OTHER things you may care to call me, of course)
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"Lighten up, Francis."
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You're not, I am. You're still a little "out there." 
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Fender, Taylor, Rickenbacker, Danelectro, Carvin, MusicMan, and ESP
are in California;
Spector is in New York;
Martin is in Pennsylvania;
Guild, Ovation, and Hamer are in Connecticut;
Alvarez is in Missouri;
B.C. Rich is in Kentucky;
Heritage is in Michigan;
Washburn is in Illinois;
Gibson is in Tennessee;
Peavey is in Mississippi.
All these manufactures basically use the same wood and sources. But, Gibson and Peavey are the only companies being harassed by DOJ since 2009. The only thing I can figure out is that they are the only ones operating in right to work states.
Or they made contributions to the wrong side?
Or both??
Just for fun, check out which Chrysler & Dodge dealers lost their dealerships a few years ago when a newspaper writer with no background in the auto industry, but the right political connections, was put in charge of the auto bailout. Google Chrysler & Political Contributions.
We all like to think of ourselves as rugged individualists. But when push comes to shove most of us are sheep who do what we are told. Worst of all, a lot of us become unpaid agents of whoever is controlling the agenda by enforcing the current dogma on the few rugged individualists who actually exist.
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(...and away we gooooooooooo!) Well HECK Larry! How do ya think all the politicos can afford to "showcase" all their "neat" little "commercials" about themselves every couple of years that they run on our TV sets, EH?! (...dude, they have to fund those SOMEHOW, ya know!)
Yep! Just like a good Single Malt Scotch, you might call me "an acquired taste" TOO.(among the many OTHER things you may care to call me, of course)
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Btw...and speaking of "Chrysler"(though I didn't know MOPAR was makin' guitars nowadays), has anybody driven one of those new Fiat 500s yet? (...hey, don't blame ME...LARRY brought up the whole "Chrysler" thing here, REMEMBER???!!!)
Yep! Just like a good Single Malt Scotch, you might call me "an acquired taste" TOO.(among the many OTHER things you may care to call me, of course)
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Btw John, you DO realize don't ya that it's a pretty sad state of affairs when I'M "the voice of reason" around these here parts, RIGHT?!
(...heck, just ask UncleCharlie...HE'LL tell ya THAT!!!!)
Why don't ya put some bait on that hook. I didn't know fishing was your thing.
I have no faith in human perfectability. I think that human exertion will have no appreciable effect upon humanity. Man is now only more active - not more happy - nor more wise, than he was 6000 years ago.
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Eeh! Don't worry Chad. UncleCharlie will know what I mean and will get the joke once he sees that.
(...ya see, maybe you haven't seen it, but every once in a while around here, Charlie will preface a comment with, "I hate to admit it, but I agree with Dwight", and so I just love playin' off that, that's all)
Yep! Just like a good Single Malt Scotch, you might call me "an acquired taste" TOO.(among the many OTHER things you may care to call me, of course)
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It's a shame that one story serves up such a tidy but misleading story. Gibson has been under scrutiny for a much longer time and this latest round of inspections was begun by a July 2008 buying trip to Madagascar where the wood rep made arrangements to grey market banned woods via India. It just took until 2009 for the shipments to arrive in the US. Perhaps if the Gibson folks hadn't ruined their stores of exotic woods by locating the storehouse beside the Cumberland River this wouldn't have become an issue.
You'll note that Gallagher Guitars , handmade in southern Tennessee and holders of some nice stores of pre-ban woods is never mentioned. The rest of this story is just a red herring to take the spotlight off the fact that Gibson is in deep financial trouble and a candidate for collapse.
This is my industry, my career, my work. I'm intimate with all of the major and many of the minor guitar makers and my current act, a Gibson endorsee, is chock full of J-200s and Les Pauls. Doesn't keep me from recognizing that Gibson (and Peavey) are playing loose and free with the rules trying to get their mojo back.
Actually the Feds confiscated about a million $ pallet of wood in 2009 from Gibson. The case is still in the courts, so we don't know if they are guilty of anything.
Every normal man must be tempted, at times, to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats.
H. L. Mencken
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That's a very good point, Mac.
However, and I could be mistaken here, but I thought the tenor of most of the responses in this thread seemed to be that classic "knee-jerk" sorta thing and jumping right to a defense of Gibson, and without any additional info or "insider opinions" supplied(such as Ed later supplied) to all the responders in this thread who "occasionally" if given half a chance around here, seem to want to jump RIGHT ON their "Bad Ol' Guv'ment" bandwagon at the drop of a hat.
(...and so, I guess we'll see how this one turns out, eh?!)
Yep! Just like a good Single Malt Scotch, you might call me "an acquired taste" TOO.(among the many OTHER things you may care to call me, of course)
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If Gibson had been smart they would have learned the value of this. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PxxGVjLNpek
I have no faith in human perfectability. I think that human exertion will have no appreciable effect upon humanity. Man is now only more active - not more happy - nor more wise, than he was 6000 years ago.
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If Gibson had been smart they would have learned the value of this.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PxxGVjLNpek
I'm not a enough of a Beatle-phile to know what brands of guitars the members played. But. I'll bet my last dollar they weren't the cheaper "made in China" models and were made with the same "illegal" wood.
Great song and album! 
Oh!, by the way in 2009 our first lady gifted France's first lady a Gibson acoustic guitar made with the same choice Indian rose the DOJ confiscated.
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Every normal man must be tempted, at times, to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats.
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That's a very good point, Mac.
However, and I could be mistaken here, but I thought the tenor of most of the responses in this thread seemed to be that classic "knee-jerk" sorta thing and jumping right to a defense of Gibson, and without any additional info or "insider opinions" supplied(such as Ed later supplied) to all the responders in this thread who "occasionally" if given half a chance around here, seem to want to jump RIGHT ON their "Bad Ol' Guv'ment" bandwagon at the drop of a hat.
(...and so, I guess we'll see how this one turns out, eh?!)
Half a chance? I jump at 1/64 chance at the "Bad Ol' Guv..." bandwagon. Happily and proudly playing on my Gibson guitar made from Indian and Brazilian endangered exotic woods. 
Rock on!
Every normal man must be tempted, at times, to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats.
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As I have never been able to afford a real "GIBSON" I bought a EPI G-400 62 reissue (nicely moded). So am I to understand that the Epiphone moniker is also a Samick?
I also am now wondering if the DEAN Michael Shinker signature V hanging in my guitar room is made elsewhere? I do notice that they have the USA series. I thought Deans were all made in the USA.
Since I don’t play live, Its never really bothered me where the guitar comes from as long as it plays and feels, and looks good. My Kramer striker was an import for sure and was a great ax.
If companies are getting caught flying under the table,,, well it is what it is. As much as I would love to own a great name and classic wood, right now if I had 1400.00 to 1800.00 extra bucks I would be paying off bills. ( Oh prices taken from Musicians Friend Gibson “sale”)
So I guess I am neutral in this one. I would like to see endangered wood stay growing and replant.
Danelectro’s were mentioned, heck they were plastic and cheap wood, so were the Airlines, and Silvertones (made also by Dano) were cheap a$$ guitars,,, Now collectors items! I would love to find some of the microphonic picups. So cool and great punk rock guitars!
Mal: "Y'all see the man hanging out of the spaceship with the really big gun?{ref, Jayne} Man's lookin' to kill some folk. So really, it's his will y'all should worry about thwarting."
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Oh!, by the way in 2009 our first lady gifted France's first lady a Gibson acoustic guitar made with the same choice Indian rose the DOJ confiscated.
Yes, but that doesn't count... 
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This story to me is about heavy handed federal regulator bureaucrats run amok and their affect on America s economy and our very way of life, a local case in point. A large strawberry farm close to me was recently fined $75k for not paying minimum wage to the children of guest pickers from down south, I surmise the farm should have provided a day care center for the picker s kids and I'm fairly sure what those kids actually did pick went in the collective basket of their family s daily earnings, also for good measure, the Feds. cited said farm for breaking child labor laws. Consequently, kids are no longer welcome to eat their fill of berries and make some honest pin money at least at that farm. God, I sure HOPE we see some CHANGE soon. BTW, this farm exhibits the wrong flavor signs out front in election seasons, must be a coincidence, yeah, that's the ticket. 
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If Gibson had been smart they would have learned the value of this.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PxxGVjLNpek
I'm not a enough of a Beatle-phile to know what brands of guitars the members played. But. I'll bet my last dollar they weren't the cheaper "made in China" models and were made with the same "illegal" wood.
Great song and album!
Oh!, by the way in 2009 our first lady gifted France's first lady a Gibson acoustic guitar made with the same choice Indian rose the DOJ confiscated.
Really? Where did you read it was made out of that particular wood? Or, did your just throw that out there figuring no one would question it?
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It was a Gibson Hummingbird: Sitka spruce top, mahogany sides and back and Indian rosewood neck. None of that is banned. This entire story is about grey marketing endangered Madagascar Ebony through India and presenting it as sustainable wood. Those regulations go back to the 70s so any current political leaning here is just conspiracy theory crap. This is the email that the inside whistle-blower provided to start the whole process: Quote:
[A] Gibson employee…wrote that "[t]he true Ebony species preferred by Gibson Musical Instruments is found only in Madagascar (Diospryos perrieri). This is a slow-growing tree species with very little conservation protection and supplies are considered to be highly threatened in its native environment due to over exploitation." In fact, [he] spent two and a half weeks in Madagascar this June [2008], writing on his return, "I represented our company along with two other guitar manufacturers… All legal timber and wood exports are prohibited because of wide spread corruption and theft of valuable woods like rosewood and ebony." On February 25, 2009, in a reference to the potential long term solution, [he] wrote… that the company Maderas Barber "has been in the business a long time and may be able to help begin some legitimate harvests. Mr. [Roger] Thunam on the other hand should now be able to supply Nagel with all the rosewood and ebony for the grey market."
The Gibson shop in question is a tourist joint in Memphis where they make a few custom items so the tourists can watch not the real acoustic guitar factory which is in Bozeman, Montana. Relating this to a real factory is like calling a Harley Tee Shirt store in your local mall a dealership. You folks need to engage in something a bit more productive than milking a single source news story for your own political agenda.
A positive attitude may not solve all your problems, but it will annoy enough people to make it worth the effort. Herm Albright (1876 - 1944)
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Damn Ed, Your knowledge of motorsickles and guitars is simple amazing. What a pleasure it was to have you as my guide when we visited the Barber Museum August 2007.  
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I have my hands on these guitars every day at work while I'm dreaming about motorsickles and riding...
Henry's done a great job since the late 80s bringing Gibson back to the top. He even recognized the need for low humidity in the acoustic line and arranged for Gibson's purchase of the Flat Iron Banjo Works in Bozeman so they could access Montana's low humidity and really improve the entire aacoustic line. I'm really proud of my personal Gibsons, custom shop Les Paul, custom shop Lucille and 1918 A model mandolin. It'll be crying shame if a bad apple wood agent upsets the cart but that looks like that's where this is going. The long delay in the 2008/2009 case implies some wheeling and dealing behind the scenes so I'll be following this latest bit to where it leads next.
A positive attitude may not solve all your problems, but it will annoy enough people to make it worth the effort. Herm Albright (1876 - 1944)
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If Gibson had been smart they would have learned the value of this.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PxxGVjLNpek
I'm not a enough of a Beatle-phile to know what brands of guitars the members played. But. I'll bet my last dollar they weren't the cheaper "made in China" models and were made with the same "illegal" wood.
Great song and album!
Oh!, by the way in 2009 our first lady gifted France's first lady a Gibson acoustic guitar made with the same choice Indian rose the DOJ confiscated.
"Really? Where did you read it was made out of that particular wood? Or, did your just throw that out there figuring no one would question it?"
It was a Gibson Hummingbird: Sitka spruce top, mahogany sides and back and Indian rosewood neck. None of that is banned. This entire story is about grey marketing endangered Madagascar Ebony through India and presenting it as sustainable wood. Those regulations go back to the 70s so any current political leaning here is just conspiracy theory crap.
I guess that answers that question.
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We all like to think of ourselves as rugged individualists. But when push comes to shove most of us are sheep who do what we are told. Worst of all, a lot of us become unpaid agents of whoever is controlling the agenda by enforcing the current dogma on the few rugged individualists who actually exist.
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