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does it matter which way the clip opens??
If it isn't broke, I haven't messed with it.
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Yeah. When the chain is on the top run, the closed end faces forward.
That way, if it hits anything as it spins around, the clip won't
get knocked off. It's mostly a thing for dirtbikes, what with
sticks-n-weeds and stuff, but for us too.
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Does our X chains come with a master link ???? V.
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I run a clip style master on my OEM X ring chain.
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I got a clip type now I didn't know you have to press those on too. why is the x ring better than the o ring?
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The X ring has 2 sealing surfaces on each side where as the O ring only 1.
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they seal out the road crap right.
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yes and seal in the factory lube. That is why I did the experiment not lubing my chain on my last set since the seals will also seal your lube out.As long as I run an X ring I will probably never lube again.
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Does our X chains come with a master link ???? V.
"Our chains" come from a diverse source of possible replacements. When you are ready to buy just ask the manufacturer/supplier if a master link is included. If not... add one to the cart.
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When I changed my chain yesterday. I was curious as to what wore out on the chain, so I did an inspection. This is what I found.
The lubricant on the inside was blackend or gone. With the o-ring I dont know how you could get lubrication inside the sealing ring anyway.
The exterior of the barrels were worn (not visibly), but measureable with a caliper. The interior pins were not (that I could see or measure). The side plates were measureably and visibly stretched.
(All the measurements and observations were based on the oem replacement chain.) I got 21000 miles on my chain. I didn't lubricate it. I am also curious as to how far others have gone with and with out lubrication. I mant to know if the scot oiler prolonged life based on cooling the chain while riding and preventing the side plate stretch.
I would also like to know if any of you have had a chain break on you. What part broke and so on.
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I use dupont multi-use dry,wax lubricant with teflon...... This stuff works great.. My chain stays so clean.. I use it to lube the sprockets and keep rust off the links.. I also use it on our duel purpose tw200's with the same results.. I do keep the dust & grime wiped off the T-dubs. V.
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I just cleaned my chain with Tirox chain cleaner which is made mostly of Kerosene and comes with a very unique spiral brush that cleans the chain from all sides. This Link has some info on it. Works well.
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Have read all the posts on chains with interest. I use good quality lube every 500k and also clean with kerosene on a regular basis. After reading this starting to think I am wasting my time. Changed last chain at 25,000k but will try for 30,000 with this one although I guess your sprocket wear may be affected. Anyone with the x ring fitted have any report on increased mileage with them instead of the o ring? 
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Doesn't the solvent in the "kerosene" cleaner also eat out the lubricant in the 'o' rings?
I thought the purpose of lubing an 'o' ring chain was to reduce friction between the sprockets and the chain. Cleaning the chain was to remove the dirt build up that was caused by crap sticking to the lubricated moving parts. Because chains are cheaper than sprockets!
Or maybe I just need to understand.
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Doesn't the solvent in the "kerosene" cleaner also eat out the lubricant in the 'o' rings?
No. Maybe if you let it set for couple of hours, but to clean and wipe dry it won't affect the sealing rings
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I thought the purpose of lubing an 'o' ring chain was to reduce friction between the sprockets and the chain. Cleaning the chain was to remove the dirt build up that was caused by crap sticking to the lubricated moving parts. Because chains are cheaper than sprockets!
Or maybe I just need to understand.
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Well. Quality X-ring chains are actually much more expensive than sprockets, but your understanding is correct.
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I just cleaned my chain with Tirox chain cleaner which is made mostly of Kerosene and comes with a very unique spiral brush that cleans the chain from all sides. This Link has some info on it. Works well.
I use this with a little solvent.
Great tool. Got it from Brent at www.newspeedmaster.com
http://newspeedmaster.com/html/grunge_brush.html
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So Ian,and Chad,you don't use lube?How does that work out?
Do you use anything in the place of lube?chain wax or whatever?I'm sick of cleaning lube off the back wheel. .
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I used no lube on my last chain and sprocket set and it went 23,000 miles. The rear sprocket showed no visible wear and the front sprocket showed just slight wear, both still very usable, the rear I could have left on and run the new chain on. The chain I took off was still OK too but it was starting to need adjustment more often so I swapped out the set.
The theory I have on my sprockets not being worn is that with no lube on my chain no abrasive dirt sticks to my chain so they wear very little.
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I had no visible wear on either sprocket so I didn't change them. I did spray extra chain wax into the master link before installing. I also left the white lube that came on the chain on.
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I just cleaned my chain with Tirox chain cleaner which is made mostly of Kerosene and comes with a very unique spiral brush that cleans the chain from all sides. This Link has some info on it. Works well.
I use this with a little solvent.
Great tool. Got it from Brent at www.newspeedmaster.com
http://newspeedmaster.com/html/grunge_brush.html
I have the Grunge brush also but prefer this new one I received with the can of Tirox chain cleaner. It's a little bit easier to get in a tight spot. Both work though.
Kerosene doesn't hurt the X rings also.
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I've been using Ians 23,000 miles as a reference point for chain replacement. If he got that much with no maintenance and Bill out of Ottawa got 50,000 kilometers (31,000 miles) with a scott oiler (correct me if I'm wrong Bill), I figure I should get somewhere inbetween. I'm currently at 28,000 kms with no visible wear on sprockets and chain. I have next to no chain stretch and each link is free to move with all X rings still intact (checked them yesterday when I shimmed my cush drive). Call it an experiment.... If I can get close to Bill's chain life, then the maintenance might be worth it but if I only get what Ian got (which is also excellent), then if I don't get a belt drive, I'll forget the maintenance and just drive the bike. I guess Joe's original request for clip location has morphed into a full blown chain maintenance post..... Sorry bout that Joe 
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Why solvents? Hot water and soap will clean anything.
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Thanks Ian and Chad. I will try the no lube and see.
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"I guess Joe's original request for clip location has morphed into a full blown chain maintenance post..... Sorry bout that Joe "
nothing to worry about. my question was answered.
i like it when a thread takes on a life of its own.
as it turns out the link failed about 65 miles from my house on a very remote road. out of 5 of us only one had a signal and i was able to get my bike towed home.
it was on my klr and not my speedy. the chain snapped in 2 places, and took the sprockets with it. also put some nasty gouges in the swing arm.
If it isn't broke, I haven't messed with it.
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had to either be a faulty link or clip or not installed correctly. I have seen the clips break in 2 when installing. Have to be sure that clip is firmly and fully seated in that little groove.
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The drive chain is not an area to do a slap dash job. I had to press the outer plate on any way. It was quite difficult with just a "C" clamp, but the clip slipped on very easily and closed around the pins all the way.
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i think the problem was that i installed the clip in the wrong direction. re-installed it in the correct direction, and doing that it lost some of its clipping power.
parts on order..i got a better chain breaker with attachments to do a rivit instead of a master link.
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I use dupont multi-use dry,wax lubricant with teflon...... This stuff works great.. My chain stays so clean.. I use it to lube the sprockets and keep rust off the links.. I also use it on our duel purpose tw200's with the same results.. I do keep the dust & grime wiped off the T-dubs. V.
A little off topic I know but it did veer off there for a while. You guys might want to try this. Seems like great stuff and I am very happy. No mess, no cleanup.
MFR Chain Lube
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My no lube thing was unintentional at first since the breather on my old Triumphs used to oil it for me I wouldn't think of it on my new bike. Then Big Bill got me thinking when he said he wondered what the outcome would be with no lube so I didn't lube my chain the rest of the time on my bike. When I say 23,000 miles out of it, that is when I changed it not when I would have had to change it.That chain could have easily gone several thousand more miles but I decided to change it when I started to have to adjust it more often. The sprockets also with no lube ( you are welcome from Captain Obvious  ) were in very good shape, rear showed no visible wear and the front was very slightly worn, far from worn out.
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