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Now that looks really dangerous.  Not only that, one of the workers left his level lying in the middle of the road. 
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Well, MAYBE that problem wouldn't be as bad IF you guys over there(and down under there) would start goin' around those things in a counterclockwise(that's "anticlockwise" to you two, btw) direction...like we more enlightened Yanks go around those things over here!!!! Of course, THAT would necessitate you guys start drivin' on the RIGHT("right", as in all manner of that word, btw) side of the road, TOO!   
Yep! Just like a good Single Malt Scotch, you might call me "an acquired taste" TOO.(among the many OTHER things you may care to call me, of course)
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Soooo, what you're saying here Dwight is that the left side of the bike and your body are less important than the right side?  Cos that's the only difference your "solution" would make back atcha
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Well, HECK Byrn...89% of people in the would are right-handed, RIGHT...err...CORRECT?! And so, it just naturally follows that the right side for the vast majority of people WOULD BE "more important" to 'em than their left side, RIGHT...err...CORRECT???!!! (...ya see how the words "right" and "correct" are often interchangeable?!...as in the phrase: The "right" or "correct" side of the road?!!!)
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How gauche  
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Unbelievable - they call themselves traffic architects ... that's worse than the cheese-grater barriers they put in the center strip over here. They're cheap and the stop a car, but they are guaranteed to shred a rider who has fallen.
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Well, HECK Byrn...89% of people in the would are right-handed, RIGHT...err...CORRECT?! And so, it just naturally follows that the right side for the vast majority of people WOULD BE "more important" to 'em than their left side, RIGHT...err...CORRECT???!!!
(...ya see how the words "right" and "correct" are often interchangeable?!...as in the phrase: The "right" or "correct" side of the road?!!!)
Finally the spelling and language teacher is caught in his own web. Quote:
people in the would
Would that be people in the wood (as in the hundred acre wood) or the tribal peoples indigenous to lands that have yet to embrace modern life styles in general.
(Sorry boss, I had to do it because there may never be another chance.)
Agreed.... that that this is one dangeous "roundabout". For motorcycle enthusiasts especially.
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pretty bad design - and besides - I don't like roundabouts anyway.
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Roundabouts can be fun. Where my mum lives is locally known as "Land of 1000 roundabouts" (copy into Google Maps to see what I mean: Westbrook, Warrington WA5. Use satellite view for best effect.) They've recently resurfaced the whole area and getting them all right can be a blast. Especially good in a Honda Integra Type R. 
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They're building more and more roundabouts here in Arizona these last few years and I have to say I kinda like 'em too, though it's a relatively new concept out here in the western states, and so in order to familiarize the Local Yokels.... http://www.azdot.gov/CCPartnerships/Roundabouts/AZ_Roundabouts.asp
Yep! Just like a good Single Malt Scotch, you might call me "an acquired taste" TOO.(among the many OTHER things you may care to call me, of course)
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They're building more and more roundabouts here in Arizona these last few years and I have to say I kinda like 'em too, though it's a relatively new concept out here in the western states, and so in order to familiarize the Local Yokels....
http://www.azdot.gov/CCPartnerships/Roundabouts/AZ_Roundabouts.asp
The ones I saw in your neck of the woods were too small for anything bigger than a car.
Traffic circles here in the US are promoted by pretentious boobs. Like the ones here in the US who spell center as "Centre."
4 way stops work better in almost every case but lack "European Sophistication."
We all like to think of ourselves as rugged individualists. But when push comes to shove most of us are sheep who do what we are told. Worst of all, a lot of us become unpaid agents of whoever is controlling the agenda by enforcing the current dogma on the few rugged individualists who actually exist.
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The ones I saw in your neck of the woods were too small for anything bigger than a car.
True.
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Traffic circles here in the US are promoted by pretentious boobs.
Not so true.
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...Like the ones here in the US who spell center as "Centre."
True! But please don't get me started on that whole "french carryover" kinda spelling that those poor Limeys could never seem to break away from...LET ALONE all that crazy "superfluous-u" stuff they're still usin' over there TOO!!! 
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4 way stops work better in almost every case but lack "European Sophistication."
And, not so true...again.
Yep! Just like a good Single Malt Scotch, you might call me "an acquired taste" TOO.(among the many OTHER things you may care to call me, of course)
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Rooundabouts can be safer and more effecient than 4 way stops. If they would put some forethought into them. If they would leave room for growing traffic needs and of coarse make them with an even travel surface.
I have no faith in human perfectability. I think that human exertion will have no appreciable effect upon humanity. Man is now only more active - not more happy - nor more wise, than he was 6000 years ago.
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thay have just put one of those stupid kerbs on a roundabout near wembly stadium where i am working and i have caught me front wheel on it a couple of times as the approach is on a bend, as thay were doing the work a couple of mounths back i told the works thats a stupid idear, well i wasnt actually that polite, just makes you wounder why thay have to put man hole covers on every bend or corner, when thay could put these at the side of the road, the list is endless of stupid things that come in to these pen pushers..
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Let me ask you blokes over there this:
After looking at the picture of that roundabout in Bryn's link, it appears that the area between that white line "curb" and the innermost curb isn't wide enough to actually be a "driving" lane. Am I wrong here? And if I'm not wrong, then why would one ride their motorcycle inside that area at all?
[edit] And if that area isn't supposed to be driven/ridden into, then yeah, I think at the minimum that area should be heavily striped or marked as such in some manner, to be sure.
Last edited by Dwight; 03/20/2011 2:18 PM.
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it is part of the road, but thay dont put any warnning signs, you have a bit of tarmac, slightly raised curb, then some are finished in block paving , you would use that lane to turn right, we have to go roundabouts clockwise, il try and get some pics of the 1 at wembley, then you will know what mean, it has a turn left lane and and a stright ahead lane which forces you on to the crub line if there is a car turning left at the side of you, our transport minister over here is so inbread it untrue, just have a look at the mayor of london brois johnson,only thing boris done was open bus lanes to motorclclist, now his going to take that away. most politicans are like that, its like the film deliverance..
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We have several in Las Vegas. The main problem I see is that many people who have been indoctrinated into the stop sign culture are too obtuse to even try to understand how simple they are to use. In the areas where they are used primarily by the same people over and over, such as residential areas, the traffic flow is extremely smooth. And the person who developed that curb thing needs an ass whippin'.
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Let me ask you blokes over there this:
After looking at the picture of that roundabout in Bryn's link, it appears that the area between that white line "curb" and the innermost curb isn't wide enough to actually be a "driving" lane. Am I wrong here? And if I'm not wrong, then why would one ride their motorcycle inside that area at all?
[edit] And if that area isn't supposed to be driven/ridden into, then yeah, I think at the minimum that area should be heavily striped or marked as such in some manner, to be sure.
I think that inner area might be some sort of crash avoidance space, so you can swerve into it to avoid hitting the car in front,(Whoever thought it up has never ridden a pedal bike, never mind a motorcycle IMO) and the raised bit is to let you know you've gone over it. Or, its so lorries can negotiate the roundabout without their trailer damaging the island.
I'm only guessing as I have never seen one of these in the flesh, I only stumbled across the article.
I totally agree with you Dwight, that area should be clearly marked as it would be impossible to see on a wet night. And if it had recently snowed? 
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