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Cam Clearence's?
#432689 03/10/2011 2:01 PM
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How concerned should I be about being a little over spec on the clearances?
I measured the following (in mm):
Left Cyl.: Left Exh: .28, Right Exh: .31; Left Int:.23, Right Int: .24
Right Cyl.: Left Exh: .33, Right Exh: .28; Left Int: .21, Right Int: .20
I know the specs call for: exh:.25-.30 and Int: .15-.20, but how critical is it for them the be .01-.03 mm (.0015 in.) over spec.? Is it worth pulling cams, etc. to replace shims?
I don't hear much "clatter", more cam chain whine than anything else.
Also, FYI... The bikes got a little over 28,000 miles on her. Previous owner put a 904 kit on her but don't what else he may done to the engine. When I got her, she had just over 15,000 miles.
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05woody #432690 03/10/2011 3:32 PM
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It'll run better if you get the intakes back into spec. All in all, though, a wee bit loose is always better than a wee bit tight.


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oldroadie #432691 03/10/2011 9:11 PM
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It'll run better if you get the intakes back into spec. All in all, though, a wee bit loose is always better than a wee bit tight.



Thanks! I just wish there was an easier way to change out the shimes than pulling cams........


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05woody #432692 03/10/2011 9:35 PM
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But in spec is best and advisable.


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The_Dog33 #432693 03/11/2011 2:45 AM
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I don't want to hijack the thread, but this might help Larry and others.

I have always tried to set my clearances at mid range. Down in this wonderful land of Australia getting shims from a dealer is like trying to find rocking horse sh1t.

There is a company down in Victoria who actually make shims, but they are in increments of .05. So if you have an exhaust gap of .3 you either leave it or go down to .25. (which is the minimum) also knowing that we are not all engineers and our measurements could be a little out.

What would you do, knowing it would be out of spec very soon.


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FrankW #432694 03/11/2011 3:47 AM
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Good info on the Victorian company that does shims Frank. Do you have any more info on them - name, location, costs and whether they do mail order?
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Johnquinnell #432695 03/11/2011 3:53 AM
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I'll PM you the details.


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The_Dog33 #432696 03/11/2011 7:58 AM
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But in spec is best and advisable.



Absolutely, the specs are written in the manual for a reason. I got my shims from the local Yamaha mechanic, same shims, just more easily available.


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oldroadie #432697 03/11/2011 9:59 AM
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I fully umderstand that if several people take measurements, you can can get several different results. Ambient temps, and just the "feel" can make the difference with tolerances that tight, and that's with the SAME set of feeler-gauges.
Our local Triumph shop has a good supply of the shims and are REAL good people. So with that, and the above comments, I guess I'll be seeing those guys. Especially, considering the trip I'm planning on taking this summer of 2,500 miles +/-, or so. As noted above, not knowing her history prior to 15K miles and now with 28,000 miles, she's due.


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05woody #432698 03/11/2011 3:29 PM
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I just checked mine...

Exhaust (from left to right)
.25 .28 .26 .28

Intake (from left to right)
.20 .18 .18 .18

Not bad for a bike with 35,000 km and valves have never been done.

Question: Should I concern myself with the one .20 intake or just button it back up?


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Keith #432699 03/11/2011 6:52 PM
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Personally I wouldn't bother Keith.(with my dificulty of getting shims) With the amount of wear we seam to get on these bikes you can do a lot more riding before you have to check again.

Like other people have said, better to be a little loose than to tight.

On the other hand as your riding season hasn't started yet, you could just change the one shim and know that you wont have to look again untill next year.

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FrankW #432700 03/11/2011 7:53 PM
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There are different schools of thought regarding valves.
Most say loose is better than tight. I wonder about this.
The biggest problem I see is that you don't know what the
original factory setting was, so you can't tell if things
went loose, or tight.

When I did my valve check/adjust I mined this site for info.
It's all here folks(I don't do Facebook). I learned from
the mistakes others made, and tried to avoid them myself.

After lengthy discussions with Bucky, I set mine to the
tight side of the range, for full valve extension.
I'll check 'em early next time, but think my bike runs
better than ever per butt dyno.
I saved all the specs, so I'll have a baseline next time.
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Keith #432701 03/11/2011 11:12 PM
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I just checked mine...

Exhaust (from left to right)
.25 .28 .26 .28

Intake (from left to right)
.20 .18 .18 .18

Not bad for a bike with 35,000 km and valves have never been done.

Question: Should I concern myself with the one .20 intake or just button it back up?




From what I'm hearing and reading, even a LITTLE too tight may cause burnt valves (not good!). Better to be a little loose than tight. I know that kinda goes against the grain, especially concerning other subjects, but that's another story, not for here..


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05woody #432702 03/11/2011 11:31 PM
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Like Unclecharlie, I set mine on the tight side. Usually clearances tighten up due to the valves hammering the seats but for some reason, these tend to loosen up over time. When I did mine last, they were very noisy on startup when warm. After the adjustment the valve clatter reduced dramatically.


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