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Anybody got one of these or something similar? I remember running something like this "back in the day" on my '81 Scirocco. http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/PC-RACING...8#ht_2023wt_924
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I smell snake oil.
You can buy alot of quality filters for $100.
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Now is that a filter for reusable oil, or a reusable filter for oil?  Yeah, I know... $mart a$$! Have to say though I am skeptical.
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I wonder if your hands would be as clean as the picture shows when you do it.
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I'm spending around $5.00 bucks for a Pureone Puralator.
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They're very good.
But.
It'll make oil change time longer because you have to clean the filter in kerosene or some other such solvent and dry it thoroughly with compressed air before re-installation.
And at five bucks apiece for spin ons, that's twenty oil changes to break even.
On the plus side, you always have a filter when it's time to change oil and there's less stuff to dispose of.
And after twenty changes you're money ahead.
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They're very good.
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It'll make oil change time longer because you have to clean the filter in kerosene or some other such solvent and dry it thoroughly with compressed air before re-installation.
And at five bucks apiece for spin ons, that's twenty oil changes to break even.
On the plus side, you always have a filter when it's time to change oil and there's less stuff to dispose of.
And after twenty changes you're money ahead.
Yeah but then there's the cost of the solvent and "how many oil changers actually have compressed air?" and as if you didn't have a big enough mess already... now ya got to deal with solvent baths, spillage, over spray, rags, wiping and washing of the hands, more rags... all of which adds up to a major environmental disaster!
Hmmmm, is there really any advantage?
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Not to mention for me that 20 changes would be 20 years would the washable element last that long? What about a new gasket for the housing too, how long will those be available? When the element does wear out will they still be available? I'll stick with the cheap spin on filters.
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Not to mention for me that 20 changes would be 20 years would the washable element last that long? What about a new gasket for the housing too, how long will those be available? When the element does wear out will they still be available? I'll stick with the cheap spin on filters.
Exactly what Dog says. At the current cost of filters, why bother. 
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Yeah but then there's the cost of the solvent and "how many oil changers actually have compressed air?" and as if you didn't have a big enough mess already... now ya got to deal with solvent baths, spillage, over spray, rags, wiping and washing of the hands, more rags... all of which adds up to a major environmental disaster!
Hmmmm, is there really any advantage?
Worst thing since the Gulf oil spill!  (  )
Wonder where they bury old spin-on's? 
My Purolators cost $6.99, & tax, so MAYBE only 13 - 14 spin-ons. If you compare it to a BETTER quality spin-on, @ say $14-16, then maybe only 6?
And what's the cost of a nice spin-on cover, say finned aluminum or chrome?
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John,
I looked at those a while back but could not get enough solid facts on the OEM Triumph filter to make a performance based decision.
I did have a few conversations (local folks) that made me believe that if a filter was going to filter more then the motor would need to create more oil pressure to make sure there was enough flow through said filter (think of how much more pressure may be needed to push the oil through the filter if it truly has a finer filtering element). I decided that I didn't want to take a chance on lowering my oil flow through the filter. I can only imagine that the motor may starve for oil OR that oil would bypass the filter and keep more junk in the motor.
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also....Scotts makes a similar looking item but in all honesty the Scotts item looks a little better and costs a little more.
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I've had a scotts which after the next oil change will have paid itself off well and truely. The local dealer who is 80kms away round trip and charges $30 for an oem filter was the main catalyst about buying the SS Scotts filter. Sure there are probably other cheaper throwaways out there but I had no idea how good they were and when another member brought the Scotts to my attention, the sums spoke for themselves in my situation. As far as the work to clean it, all I can say is what work? Sure it sounds like a lot of bother but in reality it's simple and quick. Even if I could drive 10klm's to buy a cheapie, mine would have been put back on way before I got back with the other. Regarding oil pressure issues. My oil pressure gauge shows no restriction to normal pressures so I'm not sure where that one popped up from but anyway, whatever mashes ya spuds I reckon. I'm happy, you guys are happy. Hey, everyone's happy. 
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I can understand why someone might be concerned about oil flow with a finer element. We have a wet sump so I don't think that would be an issue. Not sure where our filter is the route the oil takes. I can see the idea of it being too fine and bypassing the filter and then not getting the filtration you should. That can only happen if there is a bypass valve or the element is loose enough to allow oil to flow past at the sealing points.
I live near a few places and also pass them to and from work to buy filters so that is no issue for me. I could even buy one at work if I wanted a Fram. I use a Wix filter in most cases. Not my first choice but usually the easiest one to get. It's a decent filter and costs me about $6. I say each to his or her own, I rather a cheap spin on that I change once a year that does a good job of filtration. As for disposal, I drop mine at work where they get crushed to recover oil for recycling and then the filter itself goes to be recycled.
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Years ago, toilet paper filters were popular http://www.frantzoil.com/TOILETPAPER.htmlApparently they worked pretty good, but I always thought it was a sh---y idea... {rimshot}
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Years ago, toilet paper filters were popular
http://www.frantzoil.com/TOILETPAPER.html
Apparently they worked pretty good, but I always thought it was a sh---y idea...
{rimshot}
Actually the toilet paper filters worked almost to good, depending on what type of toilet paper you used. They would actually filter the oil down to less than 0.05 microns, which was small enough to take some of the oil additives out.
I wouldn't recommend using a toilet paper filter today, because almost all of the toilet paper out there breaks down much faster than toilet paper made 40 years ago.
The PC Racing Flo Reusable oil filter has two problems with it besides the price. The first it does take a while to get it properly cleaned for reuse, and two it cannot filter dirt as small as the OEM filter. I don't know for sure since I haven't seen and specifications on it, but I would suspect the smallest it can go down to is 50 Microns.
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I have a Scott re-useable filter i've been running for nearly ten thousand miles. So far it has worked flawlessly, plus it looks pretty cool, what with the fins and all.  It is well constructed and has a bypass valve like any other quality filter does. Of course i wouldn't have it if i had to pay for it... but since it was a gift i am more than happy with it. 
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allways a very big risk when using compressed air to clean the element .. damaging or moving the protection mesh..and there goes big chunks of trash .. for me. .NO NO NO NO
and NO THANKS>.. use fram or purolator spin on..and toss it after 6k .. for a nice fresh new one.. MY Motor is not going to be trashed or prematurely worn out .. by a oil filter.. i use and swear by K&N's for intake side.. but refuse to clean an oil filter . just tooo many risks involved .. thanks . NO thanks..
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It is well constructed and has a bypass valve like any other quality filter does.
Not true anymore, Fram has eliminated the bypass out of several filters we use at the shop I had to write in the new numbers the superceeded the old filter.
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It is well constructed and has a bypass valve like any other quality filter does.
Not true anymore, Fram has eliminated the bypass out of several filters we use at the shop I had to write in the new numbers the superceeded the old filter.
Well, there ya go then. It's better engineered than some other quality filters.
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I have read that the only way you are going to be able to properly clean and get all of the micro fine particles of dirt, debris or metal is with an ultrasonic cleaner. I think I read that on Thumpertalk or one of those sites. I know some people swear by them and others wouldn't even think of using one. I researched it a little bit for my KTM and in the end I decided to stick with paper.
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How come nobody never ever tests these things? The difference between air and oil is that air filter is ok to wash and re-use (K&N, Unifilter etc.), but oil filter..., who knows????
I'm not even planning to put any free flow air filter on my brand new TBird, some free flow pipes sure, but not the filter.
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I'm sure some of you have already seen this but here is a link that helped me when it came to oil filters and they discuss the reusable one as well http://motorcycleinfo.calsci.com/Filters.html#OilFilters
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I'm sure some of you have already seen this but here is a link that helped me when it came to oil filters and they discuss the reusable one as well http://motorcycleinfo.calsci.com/Filters.html#OilFilters
Great link. Thanks for posting that. Now i gotta ditch my purdy re-useable filter...
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it really makes you thinks when he breaks down filtering efficiency to microns with percentages and filter surface area!
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Do you? Why don't you do your own research? There's nothing gospel about the Internet and for every theory one way you'll find another that argues the other. Global warming is a classic example. I'm not about to start arguing the toss on this one as most have made their minds up and that's fine and yes many of the points are compelling. One thing I can say is this, if I've had no issues come rebuild time, and that's if i don't trade up to a T-Bird before then anyway, well it's paid for itself already and it would have suited me and my own objectives. Not much more to discuss really. I know, why don't we change the subject to oils? 
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Why thankya kind Sir. Much appreciated
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Who knows the difference between a good or bad oil filter? Do you believe what a manufacturer tells you I don't think anybody on this forum has the knowledge or the technology to tell the difference. Is somebody going to prove me wrong?
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Well Frank, a good filter will filter the oil, and a bad filter won't! Come on, I think we ALL have THAT knowledge!  
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Well regular media like screen is bad since once dirt gets in a space under pressure oil can then not effectively flow around that blockage decreasing usable surface area. I fiber type media has irregular surface areas so once dirt gets forced into an area oil can still flow past it effectively. The amount of media is also important since the more of it the more effective surface area you have for filtration. As the filter gets dirty the more important that becomes. Even when clean it is important though since the more surface area you have the less oil has to be forced through any given area to maintain flow. The next point is the media itself, The finer the media the smaller the particle it will allow through. At best you want 10 micron filtration since anything much larger is big enough to scratch both surfaces. Now the knowlege is not all you need. I have that but I have no way to verify media quality or surface area without ruining a filter rendering it useless. Even then I don't have the microscope to examine the media. Then we would move on to bypass valves and the material they are made from....
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All of my Yamaha dirtbikes (one quad), '99,'01,'03,&'04, have only screen filters from the factory, and we know the dirt/wet conditions that they're put through, always at full throttle/redlined.
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All of my Yamaha dirtbikes (one quad), '99,'01,'03,&'04, have only screen filters from the factory, and we know the dirt/wet conditions that they're put through, always at full throttle/redlined.
I am assuming that they were 2 strokers? If that is the case that is two different systems 2 strokers are either injected or premix and the only oil in the crankcase would be for the transmission, so you really can't compare the 2, that is unless they were 4 strokers. 
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I'm sure some of you have already seen this but here is a link that helped me when it came to oil filters and they discuss the reusable one as well http://motorcycleinfo.calsci.com/Filters.html#OilFilters
This is a good link, but the information regarding oil filters is well over 10 years old. Many of the filters listed have changed.
Tom
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I can tell you Fram is going through some changes right now. I am not sure if that has anything to do with some stock issues we are having or not. I have quite a few filters on order but am not getting them in and have run out of the most common ones like the PH3600, PH16, PH2 and several others. Auto Zone near me is out of many Fram filter too so I don't think it's an internal store issue.
As for that link much of the general info is still valid just not as it applies to specific filters.
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I've worked on every thing from small engines to heavy equipment over the years, including 9 years as a setup/service tech at a Honda, Yamaha,Suzuki,Kawasaki, American Iron Horse dealer. In my experience Wix makes the best quality commonly available filter.
I've actually cut a lot of different brands of filters apart just to see how they are constructed. The internal craftsmanship of Wix is far above any other filter on the market from what I've seen. Wix filters have nearly double the media of a Fram and as much as 4 times the media of some other popular brands. I determined this by actually disassembling equivalent filters stretching the media out flat and measuring it. As far as the quality of the media I honestly cannot say in terms of filtration ability, but it appears to be of higher quality than other brands. I do know that all the old timers I know who work on equipment swear by Wix.
As far as reusable oil filters go, that's just scary to me, an error in cleaning and reinstalling can quickly become catastrophic, for the money I'll take a good quality spin on filter every time.
Some one above was discussing the use of screens rather than filters in dirt bikes and ATV's, that's pretty common in 4 strokes as well as 2 strokes even if the 4 stroke has replaceable filter it's not uncommon to have a sump screen.
My XR650L has a filter element , a sump screen and a screen in the base of the down tube/ oil tank on the input line to the pump. I clean the screens every 3rd oil change, I never find anything on them but I just can't live with not cleaning them.
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