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Do you guys think this makes any difference on an EFI model? I have the TOR shorts w/ the new map. I get a little pop on decel, but not bad at all.
I will put in a K&N filter and am considering a bellmouth or snorkel removal.
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Do you guys think this makes any difference on an EFI model? I have the TOR shorts w/ the new map. I get a little pop on decel, but not bad at all.
I will put in a K&N filter and am considering a bellmouth or snorkel removal.
I'd get rid of the AI... it serves no purpose other than to thin out the exhaust with air. As far as the K&N + bellmouth goes... with my bike (which is a carby) that particular combination caused a serious lean condition without rejetting. In your case I believe it could cause a lean condition too in which case you may have to do some remapping.
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I am guessing that pop on decel means a little lean, so a K&N might even things out.
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I am guessing that pop on decel means a little lean, so a K&N might even things out.
The K&N will make it even leaner due to better air flow.
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There may be other options, but I dont think the Triumph remaps for use with their of road pipes recomend removal of the AI. I am guessing the O2 sensors will see less excess air in the exhaust (with the AI disabled) indicating a fuel rich situation and so the ecu will lean out the fuel even more than if the AI was inplace. this would be the reverse of what you want.
You could easily disable the AI instead of removing it completley to see what happens, just block up the large pipe to the AI valves from the airbox with a marble or something similar.
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The Air Inject removal kit is on the way, so I will do that first and see how that goes. I guess I'll put a K&N in a few weeks after that.
Depending how those perform, I may gank the snorkels. I'll let you guys know how it goes at each step.
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You will need to diasble the O2 sensors if you remove the AI. This is done by turning them off with Tuneboy - which you can also use to remap the ECU. You really should fit aftermarket (freer flowing pipes) if you are going to increase the air intake. Always balance the three - air intake, fuel mix (mapping) and exhaust flow. Doing only one or two of the three will usually just create an untuned engine or problems (if too rich or lean).
EDIT: I just noticed that you have TOR shorts. You should already have the Triumph TOR map (also used for aftermarket pipes) if your dealer has done their job properly. So all you need is the K&N filter and to turn off the O2 with Tuneboy.
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Interesting Foglefar... since I don't have a Tuneboy, what happens if I leave the O2 sensors alone and remove the Air Injection?
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Hi All I have been reading all the posts on AI removal and there seems to be a lot for and against. I have a 2009 EFI all I need to know is should I remove it what benifits is there If removed or should it be left alone. I have after market pipes and a KN air filter. Thanks John (Confused)
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Hi All I have been reading all the posts on AI removal and there seems to be a lot for and against. I have a 2009 EFI all I need to know is should I remove it what benifits is there If removed or should it be left alone. I have after market pipes and a KN air filter. Thanks John (Confused)
Same here. Mine was ok until I decided to remove the packing from my TORs. Sounds great except on deceleration. Lots of popping & backfiring. Have just sent for AI removal kit but I'm thinking I may have to modify my pipes again.
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I received the AI elimination kit (economy model) today but I had already bunged up the big tube from the air box with a piece of doweling, to see if it was the AI which was causing the popping. I had not actually tried it until today but it has almost eliminated the popping/backfiring.
I haven't removed the tank yet, due to lack of time, but managed to remove the AI tubes from the heads without damaging them (apart from the clips). You never know whether you will want to put the bike back to standard.
I first tried an open ended ring spanner but it was starting to chew up the bolt heads and would not shift them. The instructions which came with the kit says to break off the tubes but I didn't want to do this. I found an old 13mm box spanner in my toolbox, which just about slipped over the tubes (after removing the rubber and plastic pipes) with the tank still in place. As I could not get a bar through the hole on the box spanner, (because of the tube inside) I used a 24 mm ring spanner on the outside and was able to loosen the pipes.
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I just bought a bonneville.com kit but had not realised that installation is a non-reversible install. just have a couple of questions - aimed mainly at UK users. 1) any potential problems with MOT emission tests? 2) for insurance, is this a performance enhancing modification which could have issues? Graham
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Those AI tubes make Great turn signal stems for my vintage Bonneville!
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I could be wrong here but I think the following might apply
1. Triumph dont recommend removal on the EFI modesl and doing so might void any warranty
2. if the AI solenoids are removed then you may get a fault code notification on the speedo as the ecu can no longer sense the resistance from these - in which case you will need to find a suitable resistor to put in circuit to fool the ecu....
Anyone know different then tell me please- mines still in warranty so I'm waiting till thats gone before I hack it around -meantime I can live with the blueing of the pipes and the popping, but Jeez, the whistling noise from the reed valves irritates me no end.
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AI removal.
1 My dealer did not recommend it. Had no problem with me doing it. I have an 09 EFI America with TOR exhaust. The burble/gurgle & occasional blue flame backfire on deceleration is gone. Kinda miss the gurgle but not the backfire!
2 I did install a load resistor in place of the solenoid just in case the dealer loaded any updated tune. Didn't want any CEL issues. Then checked out TuneECU.com and got the $15 cable for my laptop. Turned off the SAI sensing. Click & tick from the AI system is gone.
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AI removal.
1 My dealer did not recommend it. Had no problem with me doing it. I have an 09 EFI America with TOR exhaust. The burble/gurgle & occasional blue flame backfire on deceleration is gone. Kinda miss the gurgle but not the backfire!
2 I did install a load resistor in place of the solenoid just in case the dealer loaded any updated tune. Didn't want any CEL issues. Then checked out TuneECU.com and got the $15 cable for my laptop. Turned off the SAI sensing. Click & tick from the AI system is gone.
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I removed mine when the bike was 6 months old. Very happy.
There is very little that Triumph could argue about voiding the warranty (but I haven't tested this with Triumph). The worst that could happen to an engine with elimination of the AI system would be running rich at closed throttle which would not do any damage. Stock with AI installed is very lean at closed throttle - and hot. I guess if you really screwed up the removal then there could be potential engine trouble and warranty issues - but it's not difficult.
Cheers, Richard
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