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That is just too cool... I'd be elated if that happened to me. Nice find to a deserving fellow! Way to go!!! 
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Excellent find  , I like the Blue if your asking for votes on colour  but Maroon is good also, (but then we wont start a Blue or Maroon war  ) Aussie Joke there sorry 
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Nice, a real honest-to-goodness barn find. Get your wallet ready...
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man oh man, that looks like a great start!
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Outstanding find. It looks like all of the bike is there, huh?
I like the blue by the way.
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Congrat! From the photo, it looks like the aluminum engine cover are not pitted, that is very good. The only rust seems to be on the tank and rims. The rims probably will clean up with a good chrome polish, the tank no problem since your doing a repaint. Again, congrats, great find and good luck. Oh!, yes I'm jealous. 
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Sweet. Good luck with the restoration. I think you should go with the blue.
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I see the left side cover hanging on the right side, is the battery box and electrics still there? Check the oil tank for leaks too some of them tended to crack. I never did figured out a reason some did while others didn't. Don't forget pos. ground on those. In 63 you will need a degree wheel to time it. You may as well get the pullers for the timing advance and gears as well as the crank gear puller and TDC plunger. The rest can be done with regular mechanics tools. (make sure your timing gear tool come with the pushers too since they need to be pushed back on. Mark the key way on the timing gears, they have 3 and you only use one, it will save headaches later. Sweet find, I'm envious.
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Dog, the last three barn finds I've been involved with the engine ran fine after just cleaning carbs, new oil, battery, plugs and new fuel. Interestingly most had been parked because one of the spark plug threads had been striped out, which is and easy fix. A lot depends on mileage.
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I know ,I was originally going to say to just get the mini slide hammer to remove the advance unit and the timing tools since the seal behind the advance almost always needs to be replaced. Those even start leaking on bike that don't sit, but then I thought about a full restoration and if he is going to do that it would include going through the engine and trans.
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Speaking of timing, the early advance units didn't have a key to locate them so you have to set the engine up in firing position and figure out where the cam lobe needs to be then plunk it in on the taper. Might have to do this a time or 2 until it's located right. Later bikes had a little notch on the adv. unit and a "key" in the ex. cam to locate it.
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Good on ya as they say,Ifinished up and sold a basket 70 bonneville recently, i wouldn't do another, facts being this is great find till all the work and thetrying to get it all sorted out to make it run -these old ones can be a pain.So be dedicated .very deicated to your project and keep your wallet full.And your tools close.ride an hour ,work on it a day.jus sayin.if you want it then go for it. but just be sure you really want it, and if you want a bike like your pics, thats almost a show bike,this makes it tougher, more expensive. Not talking you out of it.
I paid 1500.00 for a great basket case, the proceeded to get new chrome british wheels ,stainless sspokes,new tires, you name it i got it.pm me if interested and i can tell you more. as i said i'm not trying to rain on your parade.if you thought i was
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I have done quite a few of these bikes and the "keep your tools with you" is true but not as bad as it sounds. They are very dependable if done right the first time. If you leave it bone stock including points just make sure you carry your timing tools and an extra set of points with you. Other than that I rode my 66 TR6C all over the country with no real issues. Made it from north east PA to Cody Wyoming in 36 hrs on it. Rode it to Sturgis, Madi Gras, Daytona Beach,Laconia,NH,Mertyle Beach, Niagra Falls, and many other places and was never on a trailer. Had a minor issue here and there all sorted along the road. So if you do it do it right the first time and you will have years of fun riding on it.
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By the way I used to keep a set of points on an extra breaker plate wrapped in a piece of cloth in an Altoids can in my tool bag to make it easy if I had to change points. The ignition plate fits perfect in one of those round Altoid tins like the tangerine ones come in. Also there is a replacement Lucas ignition plate with new style points that replaces the OEM plate. It is a much better set up and doesn't have the stupid pot metal adjustment screw to set the points gap that always strips.
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Thanks guys...it was cool to walk into the barn and find that leaning against the wall...my heart rate went up...its the first complete find for me and my first old triumph restoration. I plan on taking it all the way down and bring it back to better then new...I know its going to cost but I really want to do it...I will save by doing it all myself, its just the time and parts that will be hard to swallow...
DOG thanks for the insight on the motor teardown...one thing I will be doing is converting it over to a 12volt system. That should save alittle money and aggravation with finding parts...
Most of everything is there...just some cosmetic pieces that are missing like the chrome tank rack and the chrome strip down the center of the tank...Have the tank badges and the knee pads...
I was told that it was running last year(hard to believe). There has been some butcher work on the electrical system, it will Need to have a completly new wiring harness. The cover for the points is off and have not found that yet...
Thanks BOB sure I will be PMing you about the parts...all the chrome is bad, don't think polish and buffing will get me far...I am going to send the exhaust and other chrome pieces out to be redone...the frame I will powder coat black again...the sheet metal I am thinking I will go with the blue, the purple that supposed to be my other choice for original does not do it for me...so I will do the blue...
Thanks for all the excitement and help
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Parts are easy for those but on the wiring harness, save yourself some headaches and run your own custom harness. First thing I do with one of those old bikes is ditch the harness and run a simple one getting rid of the crap they used at the factory. There is a great paper back called Motorcycle Electrics Without Pain that runs you through what to do step by step. one on Amazon same book at British Cycle Supply at Repair Manual.com
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Thanks Dog for all the info...sounds like some fun rides across the country. Trying to get a few weeks to do a long ride across the US myself. I Would like to update the electronics as much as possible.
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Thanks guys...it was cool to walk into the barn and find that leaning against the wall...my heart rate went up...its the first complete find for me and my first old triumph restoration. I plan on taking it all the way down and bring it back to better then new...I know its going to cost but I really want to do it...I will save by doing it all myself, its just the time and parts that will be hard to swallow...
DOG thanks for the insight on the motor teardown...one thing I will be doing is converting it over to a 12volt system. That should save alittle money and aggravation with finding parts...
Most of everything is there...just some cosmetic pieces that are missing like the chrome tank rack and the chrome strip down the center of the tank...Have the tank badges and the knee pads...
I was told that it was running last year(hard to believe). There has been some butcher work on the electrical system, it will Need to have a completly new wiring harness. The cover for the points is off and have not found that yet...
Thanks BOB sure I will be PMing you about the parts...all the chrome is bad, don't think polish and buffing will get me far...I am going to send the exhaust and other chrome pieces out to be redone...the frame I will powder coat black again...the sheet metal I am thinking I will go with the blue, the purple that supposed to be my other choice for original does not do it for me...so I will do the blue...
Thanks for all the excitement and help
Bonedaddy customs
Well at least you have both sides of the coin on this subject, The one i did was really nice and done the best i know how as yours will be..And it run good and it started ok everything had to be thought out... as it was done, if your not of this old bike game everyday or never have been. But yeah i really hated to let mine go, and believe me they still can kick you back when starting for any reason they want to, i decided my BA WAS THE BEST WAY TO GO.wHEN THAT GUY LOADED THAT BIKE IN HIS VAN AND LEFT I TOLD HIM THAT BIKE came out real good "take care of it" He said Yeah.....i will and i'm putting carpet in my garage too.HE looked at me and said "god i like this bike"good luck my man
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Thanks Bob always sad to see them go..
I never had an old triumph like this before, but its been hard to let some of my previous bikes go... I know this one will stay forever...I regret selling the others...of course its always been because of women (wife's or ex-wife's) LOL
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Thanks Dog for the wiring info...that's what I was thinking was to make my own...definitely with changing to 12volt.
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Sweeeet! I found a "barn bike" many years ago. Actually, TWO!, side by side. One was a bone stock 68 bonnie, the other a 68 that had been chopped. Paid $800 for both. The chopper was made to run with a little tlc, and I sold it to finance the total rebuild of the stock 68. Rode that 68 for many years in the 90s, Florida and around. After I built my custom "57", I never rode it much, just admired it as I was passing it by. I finally sold it, with some sorrow, to finance my 02 America. I hated to sell, but I wasn't riding it much anyway. I'm here to tell you, there isn't nothing as exciting as a "barn find". I often dream of finding another.
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I've seen a few big end crank bearing failures after a long time sitting. I'd tear it down just from my own experiences.
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I Love My 1963 T-120 Colors.
And that gold stripe with a black pin stripe sets it all off nicely.
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I seen a lot of them self destruct after cracking the cases to rebuild. Much has to do with the mileage. The last two only involve new fuel, oil,plugs, battery and Amal carb kit. They started right up. We got the oil hot, drained it, added new oil with a quart of Gunk, got it hot, drained it and added new oil. They are still on the road. I agree this method is for gamblers.
That said, I did have my 76 T140 engine completely rebuilt by Engles after 25 years of riding it hard. They almost talked me out of it, seems they didn't think the cases needed to be cracked. They advised boring and new pistons.
The real cost of most of these restores are the little things, if you can find them. Cosmetically, except for paint, it's elbow grease and love.
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Rebuilt tons of them , never had one self destruct after cracking the cases if done right after cracking them. Had several grenade from the customer wanting to cut corners.
As Paul said if it has been sitting, as it looks like it has, you should open it up and clean everything, especially the sludge trap and oil passages. Check the crank and install fresh bearings. Bushings and bearings are cheap compared to the cost a blown engine.
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WOW...You lucky dog you!!!! Save yourself some time and money, and just send it to me!!! I wish I could somehow write the lessons I've learned while totally re-furbishing my 1972 Triumph T120 we found in the woods. I had oil pressure, and spark, and started the bike up..It ran about 10 minutes and busted one of the pistons and the cylinder skirt. You HAVE to take that engine ALL THE WAY DOWN, until the crankshaft is on your work bench. Then take the sludge tube out, and CLEAN CLEAN CLEAN!!! I would go ahead and have the cylinders bored .010 over (mine is .020), replace the crankshaft support bearings (the left one is an "open" bearing). My left one was okay, but I replaced the right side bearing with one I had matched up with the original...I think I paid like $12 or something for it. Normally they're like $80 on e-bay. DON'T PAINT THE CASE HALVES...I painted my rocker covers and case halves a nice high temp silver, looks like crap now as the paint doesn't clean up as well as the original bare metal. My frame was a OIF (oil in frame), which I neglected to leak check when I had it stripped, now I've got JB Weld gooped all over the swing arm attach point..But it ain't leakin! Just go ahead and bite the bullet and buy a Pazon electronic ignition...Best $200 I've ever spent...easy to install, and works GREAT, plus, a 7 year warranty. MAP cycle in Fort Lauderdale has been absolutely fantastic as far as parts. They are reasonable, and have very fast delivery time, and are very knowlegable. If you dont have a shop manual AND a parts catalog, you can download them from BRITBIKE.COM, which is a fantastic website with alot of good knowlegable people that will help you, and we have alot of fun at the rally's. I recently attended the "TSMR", or 3 state Mountain Ride from Blowing Rock NC through Tennessee, Virginia, and back into Blowing Rock..A 212 mile loop with about 50 other vintage bikes, and man..we had a BLAST. My little 650 was barely broke in, and I had alot of doubts and fears that it would break down, as everyone else did, but it was the 2nd bike back in Blowing Rock with the lead pack...Thats a feeling I will Always treasure, a feeling of great accomplishment that I hope you and your find can experience. We also had the 25th annual "Brits in the Blue Ridge" rally in June, with over 1000 members camping and telling stories up in Hiawassee, Georgia. Come join us on BRITBIKE.com...Im "DPO", short for "Dreaded Previous Owner"...We'll be looking for you there....Good luck and feel free to call me if I can help...
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I really enjoy the story's about your previous builds...makes this even more fun to do...I definitely feel that I am in the rite company for help...DPO I will be checking out that site....
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You mentioed rechroming the exhaust pipes[all of it i assume]You probably won't find anyone with a "good" chrome shop who will rechrome those.They told me that if they are clean inside in out...its a good maybe....they would do it, But any other way was out. they say the carbon build up inside dilutes their tank chroming procedure chemicals. Just aheads up on this.  
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I don't like the electronic ignitions made for these twins I run the updated points available now but I use a Typanium on most of mine now. My old chopper still has a rectifier and Zener diode.They make a Typanium that looks exactly like the Zener heat sink but can't remember where I saw it.
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Really? The only thing I did'nt like about the Pazon, was the price, but now, trust me, it's WELL worth it....Bike starts religiously first kick, everytime...I decided to repaint the gas tank on my '72 this morning...ended up taking me like 5 hours. Sanded thoroughly with 320 to get all the stains out, went to O'Reilly auto parts and bought a can of metaflake blue "Dupli-Color" aerosol, and chrome acrylic...then topped those with aeorsol clear coat...Turned out really good, looks brand new!!! Really surprised at how good it looks...Working on installing America turn signals onto the rear, gonna take some drilling and tapping, as Im using the "AI" tubes that I removed from the Americas for the tubes that the wires will feed through...
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Every old Triumph I ever had started first kick every time too and they all had points or magnito. If you know how to tune them you can tune them more finely with the dual points in my opinion.
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Every old Triumph I ever had started first kick every time too and they all had points or magnito. If you know how to tune them you can tune them more finely with the dual points in my opinion.
Yeah, but you have an Auto Advance Unit, and the flyweight springs, and grease to apply, My AAU never was right...got tired of wondering if the little springs were good or not...then had to deal with "AAU wobble"...screw all that...
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Depends what bike you are talking about, remember I have 20 and not all have an auto advance and those started first kick too. Take my 54 T110, that has a lever on the handle bars to advance and retard the timing. The auto advance bikes I have all got the heavy duty advance springs first thing as soon as I got the bikes. That unit is easily replaced if you suspect it as being faulty. I have never had to replace one for being worn out even on my 66 that has several hundred thousand miles on it. Engine has been rebuilt 4 or 5 times and had several top end jobs in between each rebuild. Needs to be gone through again now. Points are easy to work on along the road if the bike quits, when that electronic ignition stops working better have a truck available.
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Yeah, "AAU wobble"...screw all that....
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They're fun to build when they're not "all there" too. Less constricting in trying to get everything back to origional. 
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