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Ok, to start, I LOVE my Speedmaster. And sometimes I think there's room in the garage to add a Street Triple. I think there are times when one would be better than the other and vice versa... but I can look at any STYLE of bike and find the beauty. So I really don't get the whole "I hate (the other kind of bike) " mentality I see every now and then. Do you see it? Have you noticed? What the ******... It's one thing to see it on Youtube (the web's home for children posting nonsense) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xIuhk0narDwBut to see it on Triumph inspired sites: http://www.newbonnevilleriders.com/forum/showthread.php?t=3078is truly depressing.
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What you present is an example of some very common thinking... part of divide and conquer antics. There are many, many examples of divisions in thought... where we live, what we wear, education we have, how much money we make, ethnicity, worldliness, what we drive (ride), diet, movie preferences, lifestyle, religion, political beliefs, hobbies, sports, music and on and on and on. So to say one type of bike (or style or riding) is better than the other is like saying one religion is better than the other, or one's taste in movies is better than another and so on.
No... this way of thinking does not surprise me. Disappoint? Well only in the sense that I do hope we learn to dwell on our likenesses as well as our differences. Differences could be CELEBRATED with the right outlook. Kinda like... "Hey man... that was cool how you handled that sport bike through those curves!" Or, "Man you are so graceful on that cruiser... it's like poetry to watch you."
I didn't get into the newbonnevilleriders forum 'cause I'm not a member but I think I understand. We seem to grope for something, anything that makes us appear better than the next guy. Like I said, it's our commonality... like we're all riders, that makes life interesting. This better/worse mentality is boring!!!!
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Gotta say Keith, that was very well put across. After reading your reply, that was exactly what I would say.  Alas you have a far better hold of the English language than I have. 
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Really, some of the guys at NBR have the same elitist attitude as the Brit Iron Rebels, cruisers suck,  not real Triumphs Bonnevilles are the best . I would say a decent percentage of them have never actually owned a cruiser, so the opinion is biased.
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Ok, to start, I LOVE my Speedmaster. And sometimes I think there's room in the garage to add a Street Triple. I think there are times when one would be better than the other and vice versa... but I can look at any STYLE of bike and find the beauty.
Me, too. Somedays I wish I could still fold up into a won-ton and ride a sport bike (man, the new BMW S1000RR is awesome) but I submit to age and indulgent living and will stay with standards and cruisers. Sometimes, you just have to slow down to live fast.
To spread the love I subscribe to Bike EXIF so I can get a new image everyday of a bike from the one of the most diverse sources on the internet. I love them all but I can only ride a few.
A positive attitude may not solve all your problems, but it will annoy enough people to make it worth the effort. Herm Albright (1876 - 1944)
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I wasn't about to read that entire thread again but If I remember correctly most who posted made comments in a way to say they wouldn't own a cruiser cause its not their style or cause of seating position. There were only a couple (if not one) that were adamant about "hating" the cruiser. The guy that started that thread started a few more like it....meaning button pushing and has since left the site never to be heard again. Don't judge that site on that thread....those guys are pretty good, raw, opinionated, egomaniacs but good.
To add to Keith's comments....one dynamic of human behavior (haha...sound like I know what Im talking about doesn't it!), amongst men especially, is the "mine is better than yours mentality". We all have it to a point and when amongst your peer group its easier to fluff your feathers against others.
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"Lighten up, Francis."
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Son, come here and let me tell you a little story. It's very short. It goes something like this: The world is full of douchebags who like to make themselves feel important or superior by running down others for no valid reason. Doesn't matter if it's about politics (don't go there) or football teams, or brands of car, or styles of motorcycle. Everyone has got to have something to hate to feel better about themselves. James Madison said it best in the Federalist Papers when he talked about "the violence of factions." Aw heck, I don't even know what I'm talking about. For me it's the Brit Iron Rebels. I hate them sumbitches. 
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I wasn't about to read that entire thread again but If I remember correctly most who posted made comments in a way to say they wouldn't own a cruiser cause its not their style or cause of seating position. There were only a couple (if not one) that were adamant about "hating" the cruiser. The guy that started that thread started a few more like it....meaning button pushing and has since left the site never to be heard again. Don't judge that site on that thread....those guys are pretty good, raw, opinionated, egomaniacs but good.
To add to Keith's comments....one dynamic of human behavior (haha...sound like I know what Im talking about doesn't it!), amongst men especially, is the "mine is better than yours mentality". We all have it to a point and when amongst your peer group its easier to fluff your feathers against others.
Ya know Z, as much as I have always admired not only Keith's ability to use the language so well, and MOST especially his ability to seemingly always look on the bright side of things and to almost always give people the benefit of the doubt, as is once again evident in his response in this thread...however...well...I think I'll give MY "+1" to YOUR response here today, dude!
(and BTW folks...The idea that "Cruisers can't handle" was totally debunked in 2002 when a certain motorcycle company located in the English Midlands premiered a certain model of which I believe we all here hold some appreciation...and so, would SOMEBODY PLEASE inform that MORON at that other website of THIS FACT!!!)  
Yep! Just like a good Single Malt Scotch, you might call me "an acquired taste" TOO.(among the many OTHER things you may care to call me, of course)
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I think in some cases it's not the style of bike so much but the image the riders of those bikes have created. I'm guilty of it myself, but hate is not the proper word. When I see 3 sport bikes doing wheelies and stoppies and constantly changing lanes on a busy highway the mind registers sportbikes = asshats.
When I see 6-8-10-20 Harleys in a serpentine line running red lights and doing 30 on a 45 mph road with open exhausts and the "required" rev the crap out of it at every stop my mind registers Harleys = asshats.
I can look at both styles of bikes in a showroom or a parking lot and admire them for what they are....
Add an asshat and put them on the street and the broad brush comes into play, even though I know better.
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I have to agree with Deon. I don't care what you ride, from mopeds to full-blown tourers or freaked out choppers that cost more than any car I've ever owned. For the most part if you are on two (ok, 3 for can-ams and others) you'll probably get a friendly reception from me.
Unless you act like an idiot, ride in a manner to endanger those around you, etc. - then I don't care what you ride, I'd just rather you didn't, especially around me. Riders like that give all of us a black eye.
But they are a small minority among those I see. Thankfully.
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Add an asshat ... and the broad brush comes into play, even though I know better.
Oh, this is true, for me, of SO MANY, MANY things, not just bikes and riders.
Thom
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I think in some cases it's not the style of bike so much but the image the riders of those bikes have created. I'm guilty of it myself, but hate is not the proper word. When I see 3 sport bikes doing wheelies and stoppies and constantly changing lanes on a busy highway the mind registers sportbikes = asshats.
When I see 6-8-10-20 Harleys in a serpentine line running red lights and doing 30 on a 45 mph road with open exhausts and the "required" rev the crap out of it at every stop my mind registers Harleys = asshats.
I can look at both styles of bikes in a showroom or a parking lot and admire them for what they are....
Add an asshat and put them on the street and the broad brush comes into play, even though I know better.
Sorry Z-man, but after readin' Deon's take on all this here, I'm now gonna have to add my "+1" to his thoughts here also!!!
Now, I sure hope this doesn't "dilute" in any way my "+1" to your thoughts here Z, 'cuz I STILL kind'a like your take on all this too! 
(and BTW...has ANYBODY around here taken the time to inform that MORON at the other website about Triumph cruisers handling better than he realizes they do, AND like I ASKED ya to do???!!!...If NOT, then COME ON you friggin' SLACKERS around here, DO IT!!!...Heck, I'D do it, BUT I ain't a member of THAT website and so I CAN'T...uh huh, ya see how I'm savin' myself ONLY for YOU dear folks around here?!...what a guy, huh???!!!)
Yep! Just like a good Single Malt Scotch, you might call me "an acquired taste" TOO.(among the many OTHER things you may care to call me, of course)
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NO prob Dwight....your dont seem to be very decisive today...guess its a side effect of retirement. As for letting those other folks know how YOU feel....its not going to be me as you know I am not the confrontational type 
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Mountainman & FriarJohn, I see yer (very) good points and raise you an opinion. A bigger part of the problem, in America especially, is that we're taught from day 1 to be divisive. Use whatever entity you see fit, be it the government, corporations, etc. but the powers that be WANT you split up in groups because if you were one big group, you couldn't be controlled so easily. But as it is, people have their American Idol and power-walking and reiki and extreme sports and monday night football to keep them occupied and the gym members are gonna live longer then everyone cuz theyre healthy and the Shakespeare clubs gonna win the acting awards cuz theyre smarter, but it doesnt matter cuz the MMA guys can kick everyones a$$. Meanwhile we're all still tools of the system cuz we all miss the point. And as far as the issue at hand goes, thats a whole new level of silly. Two groups of people who got into the SAME thing for the passion of enjoying and expressing themselves, saying each others way of doing it is wrong. I ride with Harley guys that complain about "jap crap" and how its a maturity issue to ride crotch rockets and its only kids doin it. And Ive caught crap from sportbikers about my "slow bike". Meanwhile Ive seen really immature guys on cruisers, seen guys on cruisers that can hang with all but the best in the twisties, and seen older guys on sportbikes as well. Very very few riders appreciate that each bike has a purpose and none are good at everything. Some (like the Street Triple) come close, but there are even those that would say it looks too sporty. If I had the money, I'd have one (or three) of every variety, and ****** what people thought.
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(and BTW folks...The idea that "Cruisers can't handle" was totally debunked in 2002 when a certain motorcycle company located in the English Midlands premiered a certain model of which I believe we all here hold some appreciation...and so, would SOMEBODY PLEASE inform that MORON at that other website of THIS FACT!!!)
It's fair to point out at this juncture that the offending post was in the standards (Bonnies & T100s) sub-forum so it wasn't even aimed at sport riders or cruisers to begin with but to sow discontent amongst the middle ground...
Asshats aside, I always feel that anyone on a bike has something in common with me and that we're an uncommon breed. 
A positive attitude may not solve all your problems, but it will annoy enough people to make it worth the effort. Herm Albright (1876 - 1944)
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The OP of that thread was a jerk, and was given the boot.
NBR is a good site, just not much BA/SM traffic there.
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Asshats aside, I always feel that anyone on a bike has something in common with me and that we're an uncommon breed.
And I second that (e)motion.
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Yep, MikeZenArt, what a trip!  I remember when he went off on a certain someone's special somebody. Man did poop hit the fan!
And you may see me tonight
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Yep, MikeZenArt, what a trip!
I remember when he went off on a certain someone's special somebody.
Man did poop hit the fan!
Yes it did! And he was a douche.
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...and the Shakespeare clubs gonna win the acting awards cuz theyre smarter...
Don't know a whole lot o' actors there, do ya Craig???!!! 
(but yeah, I see where you're comin' from with this whole "divide and conquer" thing...BUT, don't FORGET, it's STILL up the individual in this world to THINK for THEMSELVES, bro!...Yep Craig, just like the Bard himself once advised..."The fault dear Brutus lies not in the stars but in ourselves!")
Yep! Just like a good Single Malt Scotch, you might call me "an acquired taste" TOO.(among the many OTHER things you may care to call me, of course)
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Well , I just got off my diet tonight with a large order of BBQ brisket, baked beans, fried okra and Texas toast....washed down with a large cup of iced tea with a twist of lemon... I'm so full I just can't bring myself to comment
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(i've always wanted to use that smiley!) Opinions are like a$$holes, everyone has one and they usually stink. Half of those fags bought bonnies because they're a trendy "retro" looking bike. I wouldn't put too much stock into why they hate our bikes. Who cares anyway. It's kind of like all the Harley bashing that goes on on this site. I'm sure there aren't a bunch of HD riders sitting around getting upset because we don't like their bikes. I like all kinds of different bikes, but i'll still break my friends' balls for riding crotch rockets, harleys, gold wings, or whatever. And I would expect nothing less than the same from them.
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One difference, Scott, most of our Harley bashing is in fun. I hate in family fighting. We all ride Triumph whether it the sport bikes, the classics or cruisers, we are all in the same family. Especially when they are just jealous of us.
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I hate in family fighting. We all ride Triumph whether it the sport bikes, the classics or cruisers, we are all in the same family. Especially when they are just jealous of us.
OH! So Soren, I see you TOO must've seen that one posting in that thread by one member over there named "T.Smothers" where he says..."MOM always liked you cruiser riders BEST!!!"
Yep! Just like a good Single Malt Scotch, you might call me "an acquired taste" TOO.(among the many OTHER things you may care to call me, of course)
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LOL! Always wondered why Dick never just said, "Yea, and your point is what?"
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couple (if not one) "mine is better than yours mentality". others.
Nah. But mine is BIGGER than yours!
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Ok, next morning and the feast is digested.... Cruiser vs Sport Bike ..... well my opinion depends if I'm on the Bonnie-A or the Sprint Sport and right now I'm on neither.
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Aaah, jealousy is such a wonderful thing. Especially when I'm the subject and not the victim
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Excellent posts all around. I tried to login to see the link, but said site says my email was banned. I did drink alot back then. Geez, ya don't s'pose it cudda been..., naw. I was a happy drunk. Besides, no one on an America can be an asshat, can they? BTW, where's the "no asshat's" emoticon?
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