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well boys, I've been thinking about it for awhile and I'm going to go for it sometime between now and spring...I've spoken to my dealer in Edmonton and it ain't cheap! The kit is $899 CDN, plus mounting brackets makes it about $1000. About 8 hours labour, a couple of dyno runs and some odds and sods bring it to about $2000 CDN. He tells me he can safely give me a 40 rwbhp increase. These guys race a nitous Rocket III, and have been doing nitrous kits on bikes, snowmobiles and quads (gag...redneck motorcycles) for a long time, so I trust them. I haven't spoken to them about whether or not I should still do the BB and cams. I'm thinking yes cuz I think I'd still like to have a little more available HP and Torque available without the nitrous...comments?
'02 Blk/Slvr BA, Jireh fishtails, Freak, no AI, 160/42, 18T
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I look forward to hearing how your experience goes. Keep us posted.
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You're almost building my dream bike- only problem is its not a speedy
Have Fun, keep us up to date.
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My $0.02 worth, if you're going to spend that much money in straight line performance, you may want to consider putting a few hundred bucks to upgrade your brakes, and perhaps your suspension as well.
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You're crazy ..  .. I love it!!!! Good luck mate. Like Roundslides says, uprate the brakes 
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Roundy, you're absolutely right...Hagon progressives are in the picture, and as for brakes, well, as much as I'd love to upgrade to dual front discs, I can't see enough money left for that...a good quality floater and sintered pads will have to do...think that'll give an adequate improvement?
'02 Blk/Slvr BA, Jireh fishtails, Freak, no AI, 160/42, 18T
She is the Beauty, I am the Beast.
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I think so, when I've been pouring money into my bike, I've tried to follow the balanced approach, so that one upgrade doesn't overpower another. Case in point, considering going with a mixture of 10W / 15W fork oil, as an improvement over the flat 10W that I'm running now; when I put those EBC HH pads on up front, I can get some serious fork dive going on now. It's all good though, those pads ROCK!! (and so do the braided s.s. brake lines)
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I've heard that a 50-50 mix of 10W/15W (or was it 10W/50W?) gives good performance characteristics both in terms of handling and braking...where did you buy your disc and pads from?
'02 Blk/Slvr BA, Jireh fishtails, Freak, no AI, 160/42, 18T
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I've heard the same, friend. Rotor is stock factory :-( the pads are EBC HH, and got them from www.bikebandit.com (bikebandit is the shizzle) they list them under the America, but they also offer the EBC full-float rotor by itself as well. Brake lines were custom goodridge. got the lines, washers, and banjo bolts separately as a birthday gift.
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I got the floating rotor and pads from Brent. Definite improvement!! I need to do the fork oil switch this winter. 
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sure looks good, Benny...did you do the back disc/pads as well?
'02 Blk/Slvr BA, Jireh fishtails, Freak, no AI, 160/42, 18T
She is the Beauty, I am the Beast.
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One of the VA guys has nitrous on his America. He also has the big bore kit and CR carbs. Pix in the gallery, but I can't remember the name (he has the aliend from Predator painted on tank). Beautiful installation. The nitrous bottle is behind the Freak, above the swingarm. Go for it and get ready to buy some tires!
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There's a picture of the nitrous bike in Jaeger's gallery. Its not his bike though. It was taken at a rally in Va. Least I think so.
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Yep. The fellow who did it is on here, tho. Forget his name. Crazy stuff. I'm jealous.  --Jaeger
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can these motors really reliably handle constant nitrous use?
Frank
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Dave, I did the rear pads, but the rear rotor is stock.
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I saw the nitrous on the Rocket in their show room, and a turbo install on a sport bike, pretty good stuff. Post when you are getting it done, I would like to see it while it's here. Link to the nitrous page for the curious http://www.echocycle.com/mod.php?mod=userpage&menu=31&page_id=117
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can these motors really reliably handle constant nitrous use?
Frank
Probably not continuous, but the bottom end looks pretty strong and should hold up well to an occasional burst of megapower.
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will do jake...be sometime closer to spring/summer, i think...
'02 Blk/Slvr BA, Jireh fishtails, Freak, no AI, 160/42, 18T
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I used to sell nitrous kits (for cars) back around 1983-4, when I worked for Performance Plus (now out of business) here in Phoenix.
I went to work for Loper's Perf. Center 1986, talked them into taking on the NOS brand as another line, and was then put in charge of ordering it.
Observations of an old nitrous fan:
1) Any kit other than a small h.p. one requires forged pistons!!, I don't care what ANYBODY else says! (Our late model twins come with cast pistons, though the Wiseco kit contains nice forged jobs.)
2) Nitrous installed on a clutch vehicle is harder to control, as you need to back off on the nitrous button every time you up-shift. That hitting the button again when you shift is a little hard on the engine.
3) A kit as large as 40 hp will need a serious supply of fuel, so be sure to get a Pingle fuel valve. Don't even think about using a stock tank valve.
4) With the higher hp nitrous kits, you'll have to retard your spark timing, as you would do with a supercharged/turbocharged engine.
5) The lower rpms that you hit the button on your nitrous, the more torque is generated. (This can be calculated because the kits have a given horsepower number. Plug this known # into the horsepower/torque formula, pick an rpm point - say 2000 r's, and figure. You'll be amazed!) Punching the button in first gear should flip your bike over backwards before you know what hits you!
6) Almost everyone picks too big a h.p.-rated kit for his vehicle. A 125 h.p. kit is fine for a typical street car V-8. I'd think about 25 h.p. would be the max reasonable amount for an 800 cc bike twin cyl.
7) Other mods must be made to a nitrous engine, just as one would when taking other various horsepower increasing steps. A. Colder spark plugs. B. Stronger/forged pistons C. better cooling system (or for the bikes, at least heavier weight oil, such as 20w-50, or better yet, straight weight oil) D. A stronger ignition system, as combustion pressures will go up quite a bit, which then will require more firepower across the plug gap.
Rememberences: Guys used to ask me how long a nitrous bottle would last. Answer - the first bottle lasts one weekend. Afterwards, a bottle lasts much longer.
The best way to fill an empty bottle is to open the valve on the empty bottle and place that bottle in the sun (back porch, window sill, ect. Then, close the valve while the bottle is still rather warm. Keep it closed when you get your refill, but put the bottle in an ice tub at your refill station, connect the filling hose, and then open the bottle valve.
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I was talking to someone at the autoparts store this morning. He was telling me about a 'progressive' nitrous controller that will help save the engine. Unfortunately, it has a computer similar to those used for complete engine management systems, so it is far from cheap. 
Let's hope there's intelligent life somewhere in space 'cause it's buggar all down here. -- Monte Python
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