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Been reading some of the T-Bird reviews in the press and an ongoing theme in most is that Triumph hopes to woo HD people to the it's bikes. Personally, I don't think this will happen to any great degree. There will be some that have a soft spot for Triumphs and are not into the rest of the HD experience that might make the switch (probably mostly older riders like myself). I really liked my HD, but had already decided I wanted a Triumph again, and the '09 America drew me to it. However, a lot of HD riders are into the brand for the social aspect as well as the riding and HD ownership aspects. Almost every dealer has a HOG chapter, and they stay pretty busy with local social and charity events, many of which are family orientated. Then there is a state rally every year plus a annual National one. All very well supported by HD. And since all HD bikes are of the same basic type, the owners start right off with a lot more in common together. Yes, Sportsters and V-Rods do get teased some, but their owners are still generally accepted as HD riders. Due to work conflicts, and being more of a loner type, I wasn't as active while I was HOG member, but I still enjoyed my time with them. They do make you feel a part of a bigger something, a ready made group of friends.I met lots of members who would never give that up. Triumph's diverse range of bikes, and their seemingly lack of serious support, makes it a bit more difficult for owners to feel a part of something social. In my local RAT group, I think I'm the only local cruiser owner. There are a couple of others, I think, but they only get with the group once in a great while. Most other members are into either the street fighter bikes, the modern Classics or older Trumpets. When I stop at my local HD dealer once a month or so, to pick up the free MC publications, I feel more in common with the sales people I know there and the HOG members I run into that remember than I do when I visit my multi brand Triumph dealer (I keep trying to talk the dealership manager into becoming a Triumph dealer, as well  ) I think the T-Bird will do very well, but I think it will be people who were inclined to buy a Jap V-twin who will be more drawn to it. I think it will take more than just a bike, no matter how good, to win over more HD people.
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I think it may draw those considering a HD and maybe some that have on, but are not into the brand. It may be more attractive to those that are considering a Japanese bike, and maybe some that are getting tired of the bikes they already have.
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I doubt most Harley riders will even notice. Most are attracted by the name on the tank badge, not the bike itself. When you mainly ride to bike nights and trailer your bike to Sturgis does the bike itself really matter?
We all like to think of ourselves as rugged individualists. But when push comes to shove most of us are sheep who do what we are told. Worst of all, a lot of us become unpaid agents of whoever is controlling the agenda by enforcing the current dogma on the few rugged individualists who actually exist.
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Agreed, Harley has a powerful and effective draw toward their machines and a loyal following, even when they think their performance and handling may leave something to be desired..they still are loyal.
I don't know how many I have heard diss the handling characteristics of the bike and they rave about how well my biker performs..they still shrink back when I say you should consider Triumph.
I grew up a Harley fan, but when it became about status as the MAIN reason for owning..I went the other direction.
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  My best friend of 24 years is a die hard Harley guy. He's drooling over the Thunderbird, even been playing with the "build your bike" feature on the Triumph web site. It'll never happen. He's also looking at a POS shovelhead. He'll probably get that even though it's old and slow and leaks, and not just because it's 1/3-1/2 the price of the T-bird. HD is much more than just a bike for most. It's a lifestyle. (But if the planets align and he does get one, and Freedom gets one, then I'm going to have to get one, just to keep up   )
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I think it will pull more from the America/Speedy pool, and maybe some jap V-clones than HD. HD buyers aren't as concerned about value, reliability, etc. as much as the logo.
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The fact is that most Harley buyers don't shop brands. Their decision is which model to buy.
Whey I told my friends I was going to buy a bike (hadn't owned one for 12 years), they were curious as to which one (Harley) I was interested in. They were very confused when I said I was buying a Triumph. They still don't get it.
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(But if the planets align and he does get one, and Freedom gets one, then I'm going to have to get one, just to keep up )
No you're not!  You are going to get your dream bike an R-3 and then kick both their a$*s in the quarter mile. 
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Agreed. We have great bikes (Triumph) but to think the H-D rider will switch in any greast number is foolish. My H-D friends really like the Bonnie, have no idea what to make of my R3, and think ALL cruisers should have a V-Twin. Heck, they dislike the Victory not to mention the UJM clones.
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I don't think they dislike the Victory. They hate it!
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Even though the Victory is an American bike, most Harley riders don't think much more of them than the Japanese V-twins. Fortunately, most of them look at Triumph as something altogether different even if they are not interested in owning one. I guess they accept that both Indian and Triumph were around before Harley and have their own heritage.
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In another thread didnt I say it was a boring motorcycle? Well, now the Harley Guys are saying the same thing.... Triumph's Thunderbird 1600 gets rated by Harley ridersQuote:
The new Triumph Thunderbird cruiser is brilliant but lacks character, according to Harley-Davidson riders.
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what a couple dumb****** ... Quote:
But the two, both stalwart supporters of Milwaukee metal, also said that the Triumph lacked the character of their bikes even though they admitted the Thunderbird out-handled their machines.
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"It's a bit too smooth for me  the engine isn¹t vibey enough
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"OK, the Harley wobbles and shudders and is softly suspended compared to the Triumph, but it is these points and the almost archaic engine that go to make Harley ownership what it is."
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I remember a book called "The bed was on fire when I got in it" written by an attorney, he was probably a HD rider.
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I don't think there will be a mass migration from Harley to Triumph, but it won't take many for it to be a huge success for Triumph. Lets face it we ride boutique bikes. Triumph's production numbers are so comparatively low.
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I don't want t!ts like that riding a Triumph! Complaining that the T'Bird is too polished aka too good sums it up for me. Go a buy your HD underpants and lay on 500 dry miles a year you couple of trarts!
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Even though the Victory is an American bike, most Harley riders don't think much more of them than the Japanese V-twins. Fortunately, most of them look at Triumph as something altogether different even if they are not interested in owning one. I guess they accept that both Indian and Triumph were around before Harley and have their own heritage.
We just got a new plant manager and he came in on a Victory Vision. Funny to watch the HD guys (probably 30 of them) as they try to come to grips with it. The "brand" riders ignore anything other than HD, but the "bike" riders check out everything!
Just the other day I mentioned that I'd stopped by Tilley's in NC and a co-worker started showing me all his swag from every dealer he'd been to in North & South America and Europe. It confused him when I asked if he preferred the brand or the bike. The old guys just nodded.
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Even though the Victory is an American bike, most Harley riders don't think much more of them than the Japanese V-twins. Fortunately, most of them look at Triumph as something altogether different even if they are not interested in owning one. I guess they accept that both Indian and Triumph were around before Harley and have their own heritage.
Whatta ya mean fortunately? Who gives a rat's as* what they think?
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In another thread didnt I say it was a boring motorcycle? Well, now the Harley Guys are saying the same thing....
Triumph's Thunderbird 1600 gets rated by Harley riders
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The new Triumph Thunderbird cruiser is brilliant but lacks character, according to Harley-Davidson riders.
Okay the Harley riders said they didn't like it because "It is too smooth" and "It doesn't shudder and wobble and is not softly suspended" like their Harleys...Yeah that makes a lot of sense. Oh now I get it, that's their idea of "character".
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There certainly is a large market for non-HD heavy cruisers, of the V twin variety. It's good to see at least one marque that puts the engines in the right way.  On a more serious note, by becoming a player in the heavy cruiser segment, the T Bird should help Triumph build brand for their entire line, and let the masses know they're back in the game. Judging from the reactions and questions I hear, I would guess that half the people who see my Triumph thought Triumph was out of business.
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It never mattered what my HD buds thought of my Speedy. One is a Harley mechanic, and advised me to buy something else.
I test rode the TBird today. All I can say is it handled great in the twisties, has good torque, great gobs of brakes, and has a weird 'front on' look to it.
Riding the Speedy home was a bit of a letdown, sadly. I'm really gonna have to consider this silky beast.
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Maybe "fortunately" wasn't the best choice of words. But, I do like the fact Triumphs are more accepted and considered heritage bikes. All my friends ride Harleys, and we ride a lot as a group. I sorta understand their bike attitude even though I see things a lot differently.
The thing they seem to dislike the most about my Triumph is that it gets attention everywhere we go where no one cares anything about their bikes.
We were on a trip last month and I said one of Harley's problems is they only make cruisers and younger guys are looking at other kinds of bikes i.e., sport bikes, tourers, sport tourers, as well as cruisers. The answer I got was that Harley makes all sorts of bikes including tourers like the Road King. I quickly realized I was not going to be able to make a point. Too much tunnel vision. They are not going to get it.
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To answer the original question, "no".
I think a lot of people buy Harleys because they want to "belong", and they would fear having to explain why they bought something else.
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Yeah, my friends told me that if I bought the Triumph, I would be trading it for a Harley within a year. Well, 4 years and over 17,000 miles later, I love my bike far more than the first year I had it. Still couldn't imagine buying a Harley, but I probably wouldn't buy a Japanese bike now either. I did own a few Hondas in the past but probably wouldn't buy another. Never loved a bike as much as the one I have. My '71 Triumph Daytona is the only past bike I wish I still had.
If Triumph comes out with sports tourer along the lines of a BMW or Honda (Trophy rumors), I might just have to have two bikes.
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If Triumph comes out with sports tourer along the lines of a BMW or Honda (Trophy rumors), I might just have to have two bikes.
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To answer the original question, "no".
I think a lot of people buy Harleys because they want to "belong", and they would fear having to explain why they bought something else.
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(But if the planets align and he does get one, and Freedom gets one, then I'm going to have to get one, just to keep up )
No you're not! You are going to get your dream bike an R-3 and then kick both their a$*s in the quarter mile.
Actually, you're probably right. There aren't a lot of used 1600 Thunderbirds out there yet. Plenty of decent Rockets under $10k, some loaded.
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I don't think they dislike the Victory. They hate it!
We meet a lot of HD riders that look at our Victory bikes and say, "I almost bought a Victory."
There'll be more of them switching brands with the new 2010 Victory Cross Roads and Cross Country bikes coming out.
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There are many riders who buy Japanese cruisers because of their tremendous value/quality. Excellent machines at great prices. Plus they wouldn't be caught dead on a HD.
So I am thinking the TBIRD will PULL from that market...not HD riders
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How many people bought Bonneville Americas in 2002 instead of Sportsters? I looked at a new Dyna back then but wasn't even serious, I was just appeasing my aforementioned Harley buddy. I would've bought a BMW 1200C before a Harley. But I didn't look at a single Japanese cruiser during that shopping process.
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Well this was a fairly predictable thread...  Quote:
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It did this one. Back to Harley. I found a killer 05 Dyna Sport that I am taking delivery of next weekend. It is black and it is bad. The FXDX was one of Harley's best performers. With fully adjustable suspension fore and aft, it has the best clearance and lean angles of any Harley this side of the XR12000, and weighs 650 pounds wet. I am naming the 95 inch beast "The Crow." It is already built, clearing the 100 mark for both HP and Torque, and after a bit of tuning and tweaking of my own; I intend on serving Harley bashing Thunderbird owners large portions.
I like Triumph. One of the greatest names in motorcycling with a history of outstanding bikes. (The 02-06 Bonneville America ranks as one of the best looking cruisers of all time in my mind.) Rumors of a new bigger and badder twin were what brought me to Triumph's door again. The speculative T-Bird sounded exactly what I wanted in a bike. Unfortunately the final product is bland. Words like Vanilla and Beige spring to mind every time I view the 'Bird's form. A few hours spent in Photoshop showed that there was some hope via extreme makeover, but the base bike fails to inspire me to do so.
Lest anyone think I have some loyalty to Harley over Triumph, My first bike was a Norton, and I guess I identify with that more than either Milwaukee or Meridian/Hinkley iron. But where can one find a recent Norton? If the 961 was already in production and available, this thread and like discussions would be academic for me. (I have tried repeatedly to buy the 961 engine alone, but have been denied each time.) A custom cruiser built around a modern push-rod, air-cooled parallel twin? I'm sold! 
BTW - Am I the only one who finds it exceedingly odd that people who hold Harleys and those who ride them in various stages of disdain are actually hoping that those same HD riders will switch to *their* brand?
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i've been over this in my Victory thread,80% of the Harley owners out there are into the image not the bike,and you can't lure them away from the image.notice i said owners not riders,that 80% pretty much covers all the douche bags who wanna dress up and play biker at there local bike night,and there image is all that matters to them.and i know there is a lot of Harley bashing going on here but the Harley riders bring it on themselves,thier arrogant pompous attitudes regarding their "real bikes" are what elicit all the disdain,it's not the bikes i don't like but the people on them.
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Well this was a fairly predictable thread...
BTW - Am I the only one who finds it exceedingly odd that people who hold Harleys and those who ride them in various stages of disdain are actually hoping that those same HD riders will switch to *their* brand?
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there is a lot of Harley bashing going on here but the Harley riders bring it on themselves,thier arrogant pompous attitudes regarding their "real bikes" are what elicit all the disdain,it's not the bikes i don't like but the people on them.
I have had some really good friends who rode HD but for the most part I agree. Those friends didn't care what you rode and could appreciate other bikes.
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No, the T-brd won't bring many HD riders over. They already have a liquid cooled fast bike in their own culture. They have actually started to accept the V-rod line as here to stay.
We talk about HD riders and owners being branded into a certain lifestyle. Look inward for a minute. Once anybody says anything is better, equal, or close to a Triumph we have a very large group sitting, ready to pounce.
Ummm, that is called being branded. So being branded Triumph is better than being branded HD or Honda or whatever?
You are supposed to love your motorcycle. It is your passport to the freedom of the wind. It is an extension of you. The guy next to you on his HD or Honda loves his bike too. Your bike is not better. Its just better for you.
If everybody pushed their bike into a pile and got to pick from all of the lot, most would go get their own bike back.
In about 3 years we will see if the T-brd was worth it. It hasn't had a chance to break yet. Like starters breaking cases, EFI, rotors, dead shorts. How do you know how good it is? There is a large group of consumers that will never buy the first year of anything.
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I thought I waited long enough to buy mine. I am the type that never buys the first year except later as a collectors item like my 54 T-110. I waited until 05 to buy my SM and thought that was long enough to expose any inherent fault. Well now we have CDI failure expensive but I can live with that looming, warped rotors, while that hasn't effected my SM it is a cost I could absorb if need be. Now the starter issue scares me. I could never afford to fix that if it broke. If that were to happen and Triumph didn't take care of it for me I would probably never buy another and would do anything in my power to make it public that I had a known fault and Triumph did nothing to help. So far Triumph has been doing the right thing but how long will they continue to do so.
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