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I've heard of people going to an old time tent revival and not getting religion as fast as the GM executives claim they have. Sure hope they are more serious than the banks about doing business differently.
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"Lighten up, Francis."
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I think I'll hold my many comments on this subject that include government,
business practices, and bloated expense accounts. But I will give an opinion
that I hope all of the large companies that have been propped up on the
backs of the very people they've shafted die a slow death.
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Well ...I own my fair share after obsama gave my fair share.
So it they crash again .......its gonna be WTF fer sure
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According to tonights edition of 20/20, I along with every other American Tax payer owns GM.
As part company owners i think its only right that we all get a company car. Now who should i contact about this.
I hope GM survives and comes out of this crisis a stronger company. Time will tell.
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We will make it.....
My life depends on it....
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Hey. Im in no shape to ride so one each free cage would be the ticket.
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Plus, the new Chevy Camero to me is the best looking cars I've seen in years. I would love to have one in Yellow, but I can't afford one right now so i need them to last a couple more years.
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GM ain't going nowhere.. they have too much infrastructure in place and too many people dependent upon it's success for that to happen. GM came out of bankruptcy today and is now officially the 'new' GM. They have rid themselves of over $100 billion in debt (due to the bankruptcy process), removed over 450 executives (roughly 1/3 of them), trimed down to just 4 divisions (chevy, caddy, buick and GMC), significantly cut their work force, closed down underperforming dealerships and last month their sales were actually up while every other auto makers sales were down. And if you think that taxpayers owning GM common stock entitles you to a free car, maybe you can use that trick to entice Microsoft into giving you software for free, or AT&T into giving you free long distance because you own some of their stock  Cheers, Brad
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My dealer is selling tons of cars.... and Service is getting better and better
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Well....we thought it was a thought since "Barry Hussein" used our money.
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Well....we thought it was a thought since "Barry Hussein" used our money.
"thought it was a thought" .. not sure what that means.. is that anything like dreaming you had a dream?
As for who has given what.. to date, GM has received some $20 billion in money from the US government. Only around $6 billion has been given by the current administration. Dubba got the ball rolling back in December when he gave GM some $14 billion so they would survive long enough to make it Obamas problem.
Since then, money has been pledged as available if required but has not yet been given out (Obama has pledged up to $30 billion, and the Canadian government has pledged $9.5 billion). Some would have you believe that the current administration has handed over $50 billion to GM, which is not only incorrect, but the majority of what has been handed over was done under the previous administration.
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I'd want to believe that it's clear from the actions of the current administration that we are going to support GM up to then into a recovery phase of the world's current economic crisis. Why pour all that money in, then turn around halfway to the finish line?
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Well....we thought it was a thought since "Barry Hussein" used our money.
"thought it was a thought" .. not sure what that means.. is that anything like dreaming you had a dream?
As for who has given what.. to date, GM has received some $20 billion in money from the US government. Only around $6 billion has been given by the current administration. Dubba got the ball rolling back in December when he gave GM some $14 billion so they would survive long enough to make it Obamas problem.
Since then, money has been pledged as available if required but has not yet been given out (Obama has pledged up to $30 billion, and the Canadian government has pledged $9.5 billion). Some would have you believe that the current administration has handed over $50 billion to GM, which is not only incorrect, but the majority of what has been handed over was done under the previous administration.
Cheers,
Brad
Now Brad!!! Will you PLEASE STOP posting these kinds of rational responses to our poor infirmed Kevin here!!!! 
CAN'T you REALIZE that by taking this tact that you're detracting from these incessant "Barry Hussein/Obsama" rants of his WHICH are the ONLY form of fun and exercise our poor Kevin here has at his disposal right now while he's recovering from that terrible motorcycle accident he had back in January???!!! 
(I mean GEEEEZ Brad!!!...and here I always thought you were more sensitive to the plight of others than this!!!!)   
Yep! Just like a good Single Malt Scotch, you might call me "an acquired taste" TOO.(among the many OTHER things you may care to call me, of course)
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I hear you can have all the Pontiac Azteks you can haul away.
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I heard from a dealer that when they were waiting on the Letter of Death from GM, this one dealer was almost having a heart attack when Fed Ex stopped at their place. When the FedEx guy finally walked up to the owner, he actually had to sit down. Then he opened the envelope and it said something like "Congratulations, you have been selected to keep your dealership." Evidently the dealers did not know they would be notified either way-just if they were being terminated.
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...closed down underperforming dealerships
This is not entirely accurate. Many OVER performing, (successful and solvent), dealerships were selected for closure without adequate explanation. There seems to be a bit missing in the rhyme/reason rubric used in choosing which dealerships get the axe.
But let us not dwell thereon, rather we should cheer the idea of reduced competition in the marketplace as consumers are faced with fewer dealers from which to obtain a new Gub'ment Motors vehicle. Fewer dealers means fewer deals.
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Now Brad!!! Will you PLEASE STOP posting these kinds of rational responses to our poor infirmed Kevin here!!!! Dang Dwight, you're right.. I should have known better Perhaps it's simply my over-zealous attempt to get past this here 'Adjunct' thing I've been inflicted with!  Cheers, Brad
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I heard from a dealer that when they were waiting on the Letter of Death from GM, this one dealer was almost having a heart attack when Fed Ex stopped at their place. When the FedEx guy finally walked up to the owner, he actually had to sit down. Then he opened the envelope and it said something like "Congratulations, you have been selected to keep your dealership." Evidently the dealers did not know they would be notified either way-just if they were being terminated.
Very true......
The good thing is our Rep called us that morning and told us we were OK..... It was unreal. News went around, people shaking hands in all depts of our dealer. It was a great day for us. We felt bad for the owners that got the "bad" letters
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Canada, United States and the UAW in the car business, what could go wrong?
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Why would the GMUSA go anywhere. Just like USPS. Its our car company as much as Amtrak is our trains. We will fund it forever as we make it make silly little cars nobody wants.
Buy a fast one now. In 3 years there will not be a fast car in the line. They will also pass protectionist laws so nobody else can make one either.
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Well Ron, sorry but I disagree.
You see, the reason I disagree with ya is that I still see an awful lot of new Corvettes out there on the road. AND, seein' as how they still appear to sell pretty darn well, I got a feelin' that Chevy will still continue for quite some time to manufacture that WORLD CLASS sportscar(verging on "Supercar" status), which BTW is a car NOBODY in the entire world of automotive manufacturing has as yet been able to supply to the public with THAT MUCH "Bang-for-the-Buck" other than those fellas at Chevy have been able to do these last few years!!!
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NOBODY in the entire world of automotive manufacturing has as yet been able to supply to the public with THAT MUCH "Bang-for-the-Buck" other than those fellas at Chevy have been able to do these last few years!!!Isn't that the truth!! Speaking of the 'Vette, here is a nice little clip from Jay Leno about his, which was the first ZR1 off the production line for 2009, and he talks about a lot of what you brought up. Jay Leno's Garage - Ultimate CorvetteRegardless of how you feel about GM or it's current predicament, I'm sure you will agree, that is indeed a sweet machine. Cheers, Brad
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The end of his clip he also said this will be the most powerful you will see for a long, long. time. Its also not for the masses. I don't happen to have 100K laying around.
Like forever IMHO>
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The end of his clip he also said this will be the most powerful you will see for a long, long. time. Its also not for the masses. I don't happen to have 100K laying around.
Like forever IMHO>
Well, there are a couple of points to make here Ron.. first off, nobody said it was for the masses, only that it was a great accomplishment by Chevrolet that few other auto makers have been able to pull off.. I think Jay put it as being the "Performance bargain of the decade" not just in terms of it's price/performance, but also points out that it is basically an "Exotic supercar at Chevy Cobalt prices in terms of repair".
As for it being the most powerful that we will see for a long, long time.. Perhaps, although we heard the same thing back in the early 80's when new emission standards killed the so called "Muscle Cars" of that era. And yet, here we are with not just the Corvette, but many high performance cars out there that far surpass anything factory built back in the day, and fully meet the emission standards that were supposed to kill them off. Technology marches on.
Also, as alternative fuel/power sources are looked at, who knows what may happen with the Corvette (and all other forms of transportation for that matter) in the future. We may just see an electric (or other alternative fueled) Corvette in the future that can out perform Jays ZR1 sometime down the road. Just look at the Tesla Roadster.. even in it's emerging stages, it can do 0 to 60 in under 4 seconds and at 92% average efficiency, which is more than double that of todays internal combustion engines. And it's only in it's infancy!
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Canada, United States and the UAW in the car business, what could go wrong?
I'd want to believe that in the case of GM and their move toward sin wiping bankruptcy, the UAW will be gone from the picture.
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Well, there are a couple of points to make here Ron.
I do think that is pretty special. Unfortunately that was designed by engineers who were allowed to make a fast car. Future engineers will be reporting to other personalities with their own little interest to PAC on the projects.
I hope I am wrong. I really do.
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I'd want to believe that in the case of GM and their move toward sin wiping bankruptcy, the UAW will be gone from the picture.
They are owners of the company, they can't be gone. They own a big junk of it.
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The thing to remember about efficiency in this case is that even while performing at >90%, that has to be coupled with the efficiency of the delivery from the electric company to the home. Most power plants operate around 35% efficiency, and then transmission losses wipe out a good deal of energy en route to your charging stations. There has never been a source of energy as dense and with as good an energy-to-weight ratio as gasoline. It is going to be a significant engineering problem to find a true replacement. Even with nuclear and electric engines nobody has any idea of a source light enough to get an airplane in the air...
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I truly wish I could comment on this topic, in a few weeks I will be able but lets just say that GMs dealer selection process didnt make a lot of sense.They wanted freeway off ramp right by the dealership no matter what type of area that offramp went too. They also want brand new shiny buildings built so the dealernetwork will be in debt even more. Last they went around State laws in there process in getting rid of dealerships. The last part is the guys in charge are not car people they are bean counters,that and cars never get along
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You're right cars and bean counters never get along and the guys in charge are not car people, they are thugs.
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You're right cars and bean counters never get along and the guys in charge are not car people, they are thugs.
That is no way to talk about our current president and his cabinet!
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Well Ron, sorry but I disagree.
You see, the reason I disagree with ya is that I still see an awful lot of new Corvettes out there on the road. AND, seein' as how they still appear to sell pretty darn well, I got a feelin' that Chevy will still continue for quite some time to manufacture that WORLD CLASS sportscar(verging on "Supercar" status), which BTW is a car NOBODY in the entire world of automotive manufacturing has as yet been able to supply to the public with THAT MUCH "Bang-for-the-Buck" other than those fellas at Chevy have been able to do these last few years!!!
That works until the nanny staters start making us drive cars that are "environmentally responsible" or "safer" or whatever else they decide to make us fund and tolerate "for our own good." A quick look around at cars that were built by government owned car companies should convince anyone that the only way GM will survive will be to get out from under the governments thumb as quickly as possible and build cars people want. I don't think the government would allow GM to introduce a hot new car right now. Another econobox that runs on rechargeable batteries but no one wants? Sure!!!
We all like to think of ourselves as rugged individualists. But when push comes to shove most of us are sheep who do what we are told. Worst of all, a lot of us become unpaid agents of whoever is controlling the agenda by enforcing the current dogma on the few rugged individualists who actually exist.
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I partly agree with you Larry. How 'bout that. If they do like Chrysler did in the '80s and repay the money promptly they won't have the oversight. But they knew going in (or they should have anyway) that if you take government money, you will have government oversight. Maybe they expected more favorable treatment when they first started begging when W. was the Pres. That's why most churches and union training centers, as well as other non-profits do not take government money. As soon as they do there's some bureaucrat telling them how to run their programs. And the winds of politics change quite often. Me, I hope they use it wisely, become technologically competitive and pay it back ASAP. (Even if the b*stards did kill Oldsmobile  )
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(Even if the b*stards did kill Oldsmobile )
And now Pontiac.  While keeping Saturn? 
We all like to think of ourselves as rugged individualists. But when push comes to shove most of us are sheep who do what we are told. Worst of all, a lot of us become unpaid agents of whoever is controlling the agenda by enforcing the current dogma on the few rugged individualists who actually exist.
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Wall Street Journal WSJ Article
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From what I understand Pontiac had some pretty neat cars in the works also, specifically the new Solstice and G-8.
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And now Pontiac. While keeping Saturn?
GM isn't keeping Saturn.. it was sold to Penske.
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And now Pontiac. While keeping Saturn?
GM isn't keeping Saturn.. it was sold to Penske.
And they'll only be available in yellow with blue stripes.
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In the 80s we lent $ and back loans to Chrysler. They paid us back.
In the last year we gave the old GM billions, the USA now owns the new GM along with Canada and the UAW. I'm not sure there is anything they owe us as we are equity owners. If GM doesn't make it our stock will be worhtless.
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GM isn't keeping Saturn.. it was sold to Penske.
I would have to wonder if Roger Penske was part of that
decision, as he made so many good moves in the past.
Maybe he's retired now and they kept the company name?
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