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Re: New Tbird mechanical review.
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Let's face it, most guys aren't going to spring for a big bore kit. The T-Bird should have plenty of stock HP & torque.




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Exactly my thoughts.
And if someone does want to go for a big bore kit, then they pay for it.
Isn't that how it has always been done?
So, what's the fuss all about?




Any one know what this is?




If you're unsure I'll enlighten you... It's a supercharged Rocket III engine, and it's not a one of a kind, that's a kit... If there's enough interest in supercharging a 2300cc motorcycle engine that it warrants producing a kit, don't you think that a Big Bore kit for a 1600cc engine might move a few units in the bigger-is-better good ol' U.S. of A.
And the fuss is that it's a Triumph part... If it were a Wiseco kit no one one would be having this discussion but the fact that if you want it you have to pony up the cash for two sets of engine internals from the same company makes one feel like he's being taken advantage of.




Now ya did it! Now I want a super charged R3T!

I see mostly people expressing their opinion with one or 2 guys not happy if everyone doesn't agree with them. I for one really don't like the new T-bird and I don't have to, neither does anyone else and should be free to express that opinion or opinion of a write up. For those who like it have fun and hope you guys are happy with it. If you water it it may grow fins someday. Those who like it should also be able to express their opinion.


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Were you looking at the actual US site. As far as I know, that is a UK option only. Now, I could be wrong, but as of the training class this week, unless he wasn't being clear, in the US it's a dealer install only.

It wouldn't be the first time that a special deal was set up for the UK by Triumph. I'm gonna make a call on this first chance I get during the day tomorrow to get an answer once and for all.

Trust me, I would love nothing more then to be able to order the bike with the kit installed at the factory. I don't know a tech out there that loves the idea of pulling an engine out of a brand new bike, and haveing to do tare down. It's too easy to damage the finish on the engine, even working on the stand.

I'll post as soon as I know.....

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Yes, I was on Triumph.co.uk/usa The US site


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Okay I might as well add another 2 cents worth, that way my comments will be worth 4 cents. If you are going to spend $900 for a big bore kit and another $1,000 to have it put in, why not buy a bike with the hp and torque you are looking for instead of doing all that work in the first place???? Let me add up the numbers here. New Speedmaster $8600 or so. Big bore kit $1000 including shipping etc. installation: $1000. Accessories $900 Total Cost: $11,500. total HP: 80? New T-Bird 1600: $11,445 Total hp 84. Duuuuuuh....

Now if THAT doesn't stir the pot, I am turning in my jr. instigator badge back in to Dwight.


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But what about those who want chain and not belt drive, fins and air cooled instead of rad and water, I can go on with reasons why I would want my SM over the T-bird even if I wanted to go BB on it which I don't. I am happy with my SM the way it is. I will probably go BB once it needs a top end but not until then.


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On the flip side, there are those that want a "longer" distance cruiser that will move around at 90 or 100 all day without straining, "straight out of the box".
The SM or America does not fit this spec.


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Why not? I do that quite a bit. Headed to VA (couple states away) next month and will ride around 80 to 90 mph the whole way. Did it on other long rides too. Loaded with gear for camping at the same time.


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Big bore kit $1000 including shipping etc. installation: $1000. Accessories $900 Total Cost: $11,500. total HP: 80? New T-Bird 1600: $11,445 Total hp 84.




The big bore kit does not add 160 pounds. Duuuuuuh....


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Why not? I do that quite a bit. Headed to VA (couple states away) next month and will ride around 80 to 90 mph the whole way.




Sounds like you mean something around 4 hours or so away(?)... say around 300 miles?
Our definition of "longer" distances seem to differ somewhat.


So, I'll re-phrase my earlier statement ...

My opinion as regarding my "longer" distances (normally 2-up) is that the SM or America (albeit do-able) do not fit this spec.


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Precisely Thanassis.
If I want to take a week or two with my wife on the bike the Speedmaster simply will not do. And I don't care for the rolling Barcaloungers.

The fact that it's possible does not mean that it's the best option.
He!!, I read an article a while back about a guy that rode a Whizzer cross country. Hey if that's what does it for you, go for it.

But I set up my Speedmaster as a solo ride for that very reason. It sucks at two up.

Thanks for the info Pete . I'll be considering one in the future, after I get to check it out in person.


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New Speedmaster $8600 or so. Big bore kit $1000 including shipping etc. installation: $1000. Accessories $900 Total Cost: $11,500. total HP: 80? New T-Bird 1600: $11,445 Total hp 84. Duuuuuuh....

Now if THAT doesn't stir the pot, I am turning in my jr. instigator badge back in to Dwight.






I do have one question here Paul: Where did you get that $11,445 figure for the T-Bird?

I thought the base price for the standard 1600 was almost $14,000.

(and ah, once more for the record, folks....I like the "boid" for the most part, but yeah, I still think the engine would've looked better with just a little more "fin-age" around the cylinder barrels)


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Why not? I do that quite a bit. Headed to VA (couple states away) next month and will ride around 80 to 90 mph the whole way.




Sounds like you mean something around 4 hours or so away(?)... say around 300 miles?
Our definition of "longer" distances seem to differ somewhat.


So, I'll re-phrase my earlier statement ...

My opinion as regarding my "longer" distances (normally 2-up) is that the SM or America (albeit do-able) do not fit this spec.




No, that just happens to be my up coming trip, little farther than that but not a really big distance. Have to remember I have ridden a hardtail from here to Cody Wyoming straight through about 2,050 miles so I think I have the long distance thing down. Not the only long trip but longest without stopping I have done. If my 650 TR6C did it and I was happy with the ride I see no reason my SM wouldn't do it and do it better.


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Why not? I do that quite a bit. Headed to VA (couple states away) next month and will ride around 80 to 90 mph the whole way.




Sounds like you mean something around 4 hours or so away(?)... say around 300 miles?
Our definition of "longer" distances seem to differ somewhat.


So, I'll re-phrase my earlier statement ...

My opinion as regarding my "longer" distances (normally 2-up) is that the SM or America (albeit do-able) do not fit this spec.




A bigger bike with more oomph for 2-up riding is way more pleasant on LONGER rides, no question.

On the SM at 80 MPH - oh sorry, an INDICATED 80 MPH - you're turning around 5K RPM. On a 1600 cc bike you'll be around 3K RPM.

And not for nothing Dog, if you're going from PA to VA there are WAY more nicer ways to get there than the slab. Pull out that paper road map and avoid the slabs.


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Not wishing to split hairs here about long distance definitions etc., let me just say that I think a 1600cc cruiser with spec's such as the T'Bird's would be more suited to a longer roll than my SM has been.


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I do have one question here Paul: Where did you get that $11,445 figure for the T-Bird?

I thought the base price for the standard 1600 was almost $14,000.








Oops my mistake. It is $12,445 w/o ABS. And I don't know about you all but I get tired of being pushed around by Semis, RVs, wind or whatever. I wouldn't mind a few extra lbs. On my bike that is. So double Duh...TX


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After seeing it in person, I really suggest that people hold judgement until they get a chance to throw a leg over it. It is a really nice looking bike, the radiator isn't as huge as it looks, and the pipes don't seem quite as upswept as in the pics. The sprocket cover is a big piece, but it hides the coolant reservoir behind it, so not much you can do there. Maybe customize it with some etching or something. I really would have liked to see one all dressed up with touring gear. The passenger seat fails again. It was really well balanced and felt light for a heavier bike than ours. I think Triumph will sell a bunch of these. If they take 1% of Harley sales, it would probably be considered a success. Now, after saying all that, I'm going to admit, I don't want one. If I want a bigger, heavier bike that doesn't get blown around on the highway and can cruise at 80mph all day with more power and a water cooled engine, I will get a RIII Touring.


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I have ridden a hardtail from here to Cody Wyoming straight through about 2,050 miles so I think I have the long distance thing down. Not the only long trip but longest without stopping I have done.




what size gas tank does that thing have?

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OK, if you actually read while designing you bike on the Triumph site, it's so clearly stated that you have to contact the dealer for installation costs.

You can not have it installed by the factory.
I also contacted triumph today to confirm that to be double sure

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I have ridden a hardtail from here to Cody Wyoming straight through about 2,050 miles so I think I have the long distance thing down. Not the only long trip but longest without stopping I have done.




what size gas tank does that thing have?




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But what about those who want chain and not belt drive, fins and air cooled instead of rad and water, I can go on with reasons why I would want my SM over the T-bird even if I wanted to go BB on it which I don't. I am happy with my SM the way it is. I will probably go BB once it needs a top end but not until then.




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MAN!!! So tell me Ian....What pilot jets do I NEED to get 400MPG, HUH???

(I mean, COME ON dude...stop Bogartin' this vital information from the rest of us around here, OKAY???!!!)


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Have to remember I have ridden a hardtail from here to Cody Wyoming straight through about 2,050 miles so I think I have the long distance thing down. Not the only long trip but longest without stopping I have done.





Wow Dog. At an average of 60mph that was 34 hours for 2050 miles not including gas stops or breaks. You are the original Iron Butt champ. You can get your Iron Butt certification now for going 1,000 miles within 24 hours.


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If I want a bigger, heavier bike that doesn't get blown around on the highway and can cruise at 80mph all day with more power and a water cooled engine, I will get a RIII Touring.




+1 !

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Why not? I do that quite a bit. Headed to VA (couple states away) next month and will ride around 80 to 90 mph the whole way.




Sounds like you mean something around 4 hours or so away(?)... say around 300 miles?
Our definition of "longer" distances seem to differ somewhat.


So, I'll re-phrase my earlier statement ...

My opinion as regarding my "longer" distances (normally 2-up) is that the SM or America (albeit do-able) do not fit this spec.




No, that just happens to be my up coming trip, little farther than that but not a really big distance. Have to remember I have ridden a hardtail from here to Cody Wyoming straight through about 2,050 miles so I think I have the long distance thing down. Not the only long trip but longest without stopping I have done. If my 650 TR6C did it and I was happy with the ride I see no reason my SM wouldn't do it and do it better.




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Have to remember I have ridden a hardtail from here to Cody Wyoming straight through about 2,050 miles so I think I have the long distance thing down. Not the only long trip but longest without stopping I have done.





Wow Dog. At an average of 60mph that was 34 hours for 2050 miles not including gas stops or breaks. You are the original Iron Butt champ. You can get your Iron Butt certification now for going 1,000 miles within 24 hours.




Took me 36 hrs total.


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If I want a bigger, heavier bike that doesn't get blown around on the highway and can cruise at 80mph all day with more power and a water cooled engine, I will get a RIII Touring.




+1 !

More HP, Torque, top speed, more EVERYTHING, dollar for dollar. WAY more bang for your buck !




You do have a point, Dave and Erle. Especially if you get a R-3 Classic. 140hp to push those 700 plus lbs.


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No Classic for me, that thing is butt ugly. However, I do plan on getting a re-map for the Touring model before it even leaves the dealer!


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Have to remember I have ridden a hardtail from here to Cody Wyoming straight through about 2,050 miles so I think I have the long distance thing down. Not the only long trip but longest without stopping I have done.





Wow Dog. At an average of 60mph that was 34 hours for 2050 miles not including gas stops or breaks. You are the original Iron Butt champ. You can get your Iron Butt certification now for going 1,000 miles within 24 hours.




Took me 36 hrs total.




Man, you're a master iron butt!! My longest non-stop was Colorado Springs to Dallas. Then again, it was January 1st and 12ƂĀ°. Does that count for anything?


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I feel I should add that I was much younger at the time.


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I wasn't thinking of Iron Butt rides. I have done several, including one on the Speedy in '06 with a healing broken leg (2 metal plates and 17 screws and collapsable walking-sticks in my saddlebags - as some of you will remember).

By longer rides I mean something like extensive touring.
For example, I have ridden the Speedy to 23 countries (actually officially 26, but including Gibraltar, Andorra and Monaco would have been petty in my book ) in the last 2 years alone. I have already said that it's do-able.
It is within this context that I consider the T-Bird more suitable (at least power-wise and not getting thrown all over the place), if I wasn't clear enough earlier.
I think it's a joke for me to think otherwise (at least on paper, since I haven't ridden it).


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Sorry to change the topic that was changed from the original topic but has anybody noticed the accessories available for the Thunderbird on "Create My Triumph"? http://www.triumphmotorcycles.com/usa/configuratorPopup.aspx Not Bad Really like the one up config with the headlight cowl. And I still like my America.


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Sorry to change the topic that was changed from the original topic but has anybody noticed the accessories available for the Thunderbird on "Create My Triumph"? http://www.triumphmotorcycles.com/usa/configuratorPopup.aspx Not Bad Really like the one up config with the headlight cowl. And I still like my America.




I already have one of the listed accesories on my America


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Folks, when you buy a Harley, they don't offer a factory installed big bore kit.It's dealer installed. At least if you have it installed pre delivery, it carries the same 2 year unlimited mileage warranty.





This is partly true, you can get a 110 inch engine in any HD big twin as a dealer installed option. But, they also have a factory built 110 as a separate model in each of their lines. If memory serves me well, the dealer installed option is a credit/replace engine swap where they buy your unused 96 inch engine, sell you a 110 from the factory and charge you to bolt it in.

I wouldn't doubt that Triumph might do this as well if the big bore kit turns out to be popular enough to justify the expense.


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Re: New Tbird mechanical review.
Greybeard #331908 05/17/2009 12:10 PM
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Checked out the accessories site. Very cool. I did notice that only a small portion of the available accessories are listed. I was really looking for the drag pipes they mention in other sites. This one only had the short pipes listed. Also, if you like chrome they seem to have that covered in spades.


'06 TBA - Black, AI and Snorkel removed, K&N Drop In, Gutted Stock Pipes, 145/42, 2 turns out.
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