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Dog33...the large casting on top of the primary that you are referring to: is that the square casting? If not, I'm not sure I can locate it. Can you post a picture pointing this out? You will be relieving some folks, and warning others.
thanks
That is correct the square casting is the evidence of the new style crankcase breather.
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There are actually three versions of the crankcase now. The original like mine was that broke. The one with the beefed up socket and breather housing that Ian (Dog) is talking about (which they put as a replacement on my bike). The newer models have a totally re-designed breather and don't use the rotary breather that was in the first two generations.
The first casing has the potential for starter failure. The first two have the potential for rotary breather/seal failure like mine has now. They will replace the breather and seal, but the bike can not be converted to the new style that's improved further.
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There is no need to panic about the crankcase breakages.
It's an isolated issue NOT common.
What is recommendable is to have perfect tuned carbs to avoid any backfiring.
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A picture would be worth a thousand words. Any Takers??
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pictures of the failure are already in this thread
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What I was looking for was a pic of the improved case.
Thanks
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Wanted to update everyone. I dropped my speedmaster off at Orange Park Powersports in Jacksonville, my closest dealer unfortunately, last week. I just found out today that Triumph is covering the repair. I just want to thank the guys in Newnan and in Jacksonville for being so helpful. Now I just have to wait to get my gal back.....
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Ok, I've just read this thread I'm not too happy my beloved speedie might cost me thousands to fix.
I have an 05 speedie with 38,000kms on it and I'd really appreciate if someone could download a pic explaining what to look for so I and others can know one way or the other where we stand on this one.
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There are pix in another thread of what it looks like but you can't see it from outside, you have to open the primary. You will know if this happens since your starter will quit working. This is the only fear I have about my bike.
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You might be able to hear it comming,can't discribe it,just sounds different,like a wing type noise.Like dog says you'll know it.
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why you people panicking?
starter can quit working but it doesn't mean that crankcase is broken ..sprag clutch can go wrong either without breaking case.....happened to me few years ago
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Here I lay me down to sleep
I pray the Lord my Speedy to keep
If the case should crack whilst I be asleep
The by--ch will be swimmin' in the swampy deep
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Its just another thing to add to the $600.00 CDI, phantom electrical systems issues, warped rotors, crank sensors and pick ups, etc.
I have an 05 too. Just another reason to leave it in the garage a lot of the times and ride another bike.
Its not really how much they break. Its the cost of ownership when they do. At least it looks like Triumph is taking care of the case issues.
I am never gonna sell my bike but I would prefer it to be a bit more dependable. I used to think these things were like granite. I have changed that opinion.
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i hare hearing these stories. all the work i did to mine, i beat the ****** out of it, and it still runs like a new bike
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I just had a look to see if mine was built early or late 2005 and saw that it was 01/2005.  So I guess I'm in the "russian roulette" club   Can anyone tell me this, will Triumph cover repairs on a bike that's done 40,000klm's or 100,000klm's for that matter? Considering it is a design floor they would have known about when mine was built, I would have thought so but there is noting that would compel them is there? I've also heard comments that this is nothing to panic about. Who's pannicking? Hands up who's being practical in finding out how much of a problem this is so they can make some informed decisions  I mean, this has happened to a lot of bikes by what I can see and it appears it will only take a half descent backfire of which our bikes are reknowned to do the job. So no, this isn't good news by any stretch but I'm not pannicking yet, just working out what I should or shouldn't do.
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2004 Speedmaster. 35,000 miles.
If it happens, I'll deal with it, certainly not going to lose any sleep over it.
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Fine. You do that Bill. Me, I like to gather info and discuss practical solutions for possible future negative scenarios. I guess my firefighter background is coming out 
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It just happened to me @7000 mi.! See thread on page 1 "Starter Concerns" My only hope is that Triumph covers it. Does anyone know an address and contact person to talk to
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It just happened to me @7000 mi.! See thread on page 1 "Starter Concerns" My only hope is that Triumph covers it. Does anyone know an address and contact person to talk to
You poor bugger... someone will help you with a contact #... I've seen it here before. Please let us know how Triumph handles this one for you. Best of luck!!
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if its not covered under warranty theres one on ebay right now...last time I checked it was about $400.
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man that really stinks. 24k hard miles and mine is still fine. hope triumph covers it
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22,000 hard miles and mine is still good too, but this is my worst fear for this bike, CDI being 2nd. I really wish they would recall them but I know the cost would be way too much.
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Saturday, my bike back fired and made a loud metallic sound as it started (didn't). Fired right up, but this scares the crap out of me.
Is there any benefit to replacing the stock crankcase breather to the airbox with a small K&N filter?
Is there anything I can do to my carbs to eliminate the back-firing? It's very occasasional, maybe once in 50 attempts and otherwise, runs fine at idle and speed.
Al
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And there in lies the problem (apart from the weak case), backfiring on startup. My suggestion is to set your bike up to prevent this from happening. Proper idle screw settings and pilot jets. Sometimes easier said than done.
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A service manager told me to never touch the throttle when starting with the choke. I put my hand under the starter button to start the bike. Mine does not backfire. I also did no mods.
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Mine doesn't backfire either. Just have to get the carbs set right. I never touch the throttle when choke is on and once warm only give it a touch of throttle just after it catches.
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And there in lies the problem (apart from the weak case), backfiring on startup. My suggestion is to set your bike up to prevent this from happening. Proper idle screw settings and pilot jets. Sometimes easier said than done.
I've been running this setup for a few years:
Bike Setup Info:
Pipes: Specialty Spares Long Cannons
Filter: Uni-filter, snorkels removed
Air/Fuel: 3.25 turns out
Main Jet: 132.5
Pilot Jet: 45 (both supplied by SS w/pipes)
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this thread has really got me wondering. backfires are pretty rare, but I can't say never. my bike was built in november of 04 (05 model), so it is in the problem range.
I am thinking that at the end of summer oil change that it might be worth the cost of a clutch cover gasket to pre-emptively press a steel bushing over both of the possibly suspect parts. From the pictures posted, there should be plenty of room to get some reinforcement in there. Has any body done this?
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this thread has really got me wondering. backfires are pretty rare, but I can't say never. my bike was built in november of 04 (05 model), so it is in the problem range.
I am thinking that at the end of summer oil change that it might be worth the cost of a clutch cover gasket to pre-emptively press a steel bushing over both of the possibly suspect parts. From the pictures posted, there should be plenty of room to get some reinforcement in there. Has any body done this?
As I read this I be thinkin' ,"Hmm, JB Weld? as preemptive meassure does make sense.
And you can usually reuse the main gasket at least once if you are careful in disassembly and have a razor blade handy.
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this thread has really got me wondering. backfires are pretty rare, but I can't say never. my bike was built in november of 04 (05 model), so it is in the problem range.
I am thinking that at the end of summer oil change that it might be worth the cost of a clutch cover gasket to pre-emptively press a steel bushing over both of the possibly suspect parts. From the pictures posted, there should be plenty of room to get some reinforcement in there. Has any body done this?
As I read this I be thinkin' ,"Hmm, JB Weld? as preemptive meassure does make sense.
And you can usually reuse the main gasket at least once if you are careful in disassembly and have a razor blade handy.
I wasn't really thiking of JB weld as the preventive measure, but now that you mention it that stuff is pretty strong. My snow blower threw a rod a while back and I fixed the large hole in the block with JB Weld, been running ever since.
I'll probably go with a steel ring shrunk over the casting instead.
05 speedmaster - 1100cc, 11:1 racing pistons, Carillo rods, thunderbike cams, ported and polished head, 2mm over intake and exhaust valves, Barnett kevlar clutch, scepter pipes, oversize manifolds, 45mm HSR's, TTP stage 4 firestarter
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If you do try, make sure and post lots of pics.
I've been looking at installing some kind of bushing complete with a flange 90 degrees to the bushing that could possibly be bolted to the case. Would have to drill and tap (might not be possible but the old gears are grinding, along with a lot of smoke).
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As I read this I be thinkin' ,"Hmm, JB Weld? as preemptive meassure does make sense.
And you can usually reuse the main gasket at least once if you are careful in disassembly and have a razor blade handy.
I wasn't really thiking of JB weld as the preventive measure, but now that you mention it that stuff is pretty strong. My snow blower threw a rod a while back and I fixed the large hole in the block with JB Weld, been running ever since.
I'll probably go with a steel ring shrunk over the casting instead.
We've used Devcon Plastic Steel or Aluminum (basically the same stuff)at our minesite as a last resort for years. The epoxy mixed with the steel or aluminum ends up being extremely strong and can be machined. We once had the housing break (6 inch hole) on a Clark transmission on a loader (ran over a rock). Plugged the hole up with Devcon and a flattened pop can. Ran that way for several years. You can drill it and tap it for fasteners also. We've used it to fill in some oversize bores on some boom pins/bushing sets when a machinist wasn't available. Held up fine. We still prefer to weld and bore out all pin/bushing setups, but sometimes.... Good stuff.
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Besides backfires, I'm always careful not to hit the starter twice in quick succession. If I release starter button before it fires, I let the engine stop completely before I hit it again.
The JB weld I've used is pretty thin stuff. Probably have trouble building it up on a vertical surface. Wonder if you could cut threads on the outside of the socket and run a nut on it with JB weld behind and around it. Or maybe a nut big enough to slip completely over it epoxied in place.
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be careful shrinking anything over that casting. It couild act the same as when you press a bronze bushing into an ols style case. It could compress the opening making it bind if you don't ream it.
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I wasn't really thiking of JB weld as the preventive measure, but now that you mention it that stuff is pretty strong. My snow blower threw a rod a while back and I fixed the large hole in the block with JB Weld, been running ever since.
I'll probably go with a steel ring shrunk over the casting instead.
I used JBWeld to hold the gears in the transfer case of an old Honda 3-wheeler together, never failed after that and I always tried to destroy that thing!
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Update on blown idler gear bushing: My friend Gary @ Destiny Motorsports in Syracuse talked to Peter @ Triumph after I sent him pics of the damage. I'm ecstatic to report TR will cover the whole enchilada although I'm waiting 1 mo.+ for parts from GB, so I suspect TR USA has used up all their crankcase inventory already. I'm sure it helps having a friend in the biz, also he has another '05 in the shop w/ the same damage! Anyhow a big thanks to TR and I love my bike (named Speedy Gonzales by my daughter)!
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Nice outcome, congrat's! Quote:
Update on blown idler gear bushing: My friend Gary @ Destiny Motorsports in Syracuse talked to Peter @ Triumph after I sent him pics of the damage. I'm ecstatic to report TR will cover the whole enchilada although I'm waiting 1 mo.+ for parts from GB, so I suspect TR USA has used up all their crankcase inventory already. I'm sure it helps having a friend in the biz, also he has another '05 in the shop w/ the same damage! Anyhow a big thanks to TR and I love my bike (named Speedy Gonzales by my daughter)!
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It took a month for my dealer to get an engine casing from England for my bike. Fortunately, mine was covered by Triumph off warranty as well. I think Triumph knows this is a problem for many pre 06 bikes.
Bob
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Very nice... glad Triumph came through for you.
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UPDATE: Just got my speedie back from Destiny Motorsport in Syracuse. My friend Gary picked it up in Ithaca, took it to the shop and returned it w/in a week of getting all the parts in (5-6 wks). VERY impressive and no charge to me on my 2005 w/ 7000 mi. Thanks to everyone concerned.
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