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I quit smoking almost ten years ago, but the new taxes caught my attention anyway. Apparently, legislators were concerned that taxing cigarettes (undoubtedly the largest potential resource for revenue) would push many smokers into rolling their own. To counter that, taxes on tobacco and tobacco tubes/papers read like import duties. Get this: Tax on roll-your-own tobacco will go from $1.09 per pound to $24.62. Someone paying $19 a can (in an effort to save money) will now pay $43. Tax on cigarette tubes and rolling papers will increase also, nearly 300%. I predict this is going to cause a lot of trouble for a lot of people. What a bunch of jerks. 
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We all like to think of ourselves as rugged individualists. But when push comes to shove most of us are sheep who do what we are told. Worst of all, a lot of us become unpaid agents of whoever is controlling the agenda by enforcing the current dogma on the few rugged individualists who actually exist.
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Screw 'em, buy a pipe and grow your own
http://www.victoryseeds.com/tobacco/backer_cultivation.html
And pretty soon, you'll be in the same classification as this:
Grow your own
And this:
Shine
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oh you poor buggers half your luck!!!!!
our powers in charge thought it would be in our best interest to increase the tax on smokes for our own good (yeah right)price it out of peoples reach to give incentive to quiet,my self i smoke White Ox tobacco at the cost of $26.00 for 50 grams,thats right GRAMS after checking the conversion to ounces it seem to be about 1.7 ounces,i'm off to check grow your own and yep maybe i'll be taking up pipe smoking
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Screw 'em, buy a pipe and grow your own
http://www.victoryseeds.com/tobacco/backer_cultivation.html
And pretty soon, you'll be in the same classification as this:
Grow your own
And this:
Shine
What makes you think it hasn't already happened? Smoking cigarettes is banned at outdoor events but pot smoking is tolerated at concerts.
Hey, we voted the nanny staters in, what right do we have to act surprised when they act according to their nature?
We all like to think of ourselves as rugged individualists. But when push comes to shove most of us are sheep who do what we are told. Worst of all, a lot of us become unpaid agents of whoever is controlling the agenda by enforcing the current dogma on the few rugged individualists who actually exist.
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Well I here ammo is next to get taxed to death. I wonder when we will wake up and take this country back from these scum bags that screw us out of every penny we make or save?Probably when we are all unemployed and have nothing else to do.
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The question is, will we wake up in time to do it through the ballot box or wait until it takes stouter measures. Thomas Jefferson may be proven right.
We all like to think of ourselves as rugged individualists. But when push comes to shove most of us are sheep who do what we are told. Worst of all, a lot of us become unpaid agents of whoever is controlling the agenda by enforcing the current dogma on the few rugged individualists who actually exist.
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What makes you think it hasn't already happened? Smoking cigarettes is banned at outdoor events but pot smoking is tolerated at concerts.
Well, you can still legally grow your own tobacco, that's about it.
And good point about how the "war on drugs" is such a joke. Drug "importers" make billions just on weed, not even mentioning the domestic growers. Soon they can add tobacco and get even richer.
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Hey, we voted the nanny staters in, what right do we have to act surprised when they act according to their nature?
Well, all I can say here is[cough]EVIDENTLY[weeze]those D*MN "Nanny Staters" out there[cough]have NO IDEA[weeze]how much it's ALREADY costin' me lately[cough]just to maintain this smoker's hack[weeze]I wake up with each and every morning to nowdays!!! 
(yep...those DIRTY[cough]B*STARDS, they have NO FRIGGIN'[weeze]IDEA!!!) 
(and BTW Larry, would YOU care for some cheese and crackers to go along with your vintage of sour grape whine, err, WINE here...don't worry dude, I still have enough left over after buyin' my pack o' Marlboro 100s to pay for those)  [weeze]
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Just imagine how the good citizens of Boston would have reacted to this about 240 years ago.
We all like to think of ourselves as rugged individualists. But when push comes to shove most of us are sheep who do what we are told. Worst of all, a lot of us become unpaid agents of whoever is controlling the agenda by enforcing the current dogma on the few rugged individualists who actually exist.
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Well, sorry ol' buddy, but I don't feel like puttin' on warpaint and sportin' feathered headgear and stormin' any ships docked in San Pedro right now, dude! At least NOT regarding THIS issue anyway!!! (I guess I'm just not a "good Patriotic American", huh?!)
Yep! Just like a good Single Malt Scotch, you might call me "an acquired taste" TOO.(among the many OTHER things you may care to call me, of course)
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Hey, we voted the nanny staters in, what right do we have to act surprised when they act according to their nature?
Well, all I can say here is[cough]EVIDENTLY[weeze]those D*MN "Nanny Staters" out there[cough]have NO IDEA[weeze]how much it's ALREADY costin' me lately[cough]just to maintain this smoker's hack[weeze]I wake up with each and every morning to nowdays!!!
(yep...those DIRTY[cough]B*STARDS, they have NO FRIGGIN'[weeze]IDEA!!!)
(and BTW Larry, would YOU care for some cheese and crackers to go along with your vintage of sour grape whine, err, WINE here...don't worry dude, I still have enough left over after buyin' my pack o' Marlboro 100s to pay for those) [weeze]
I noticed you just insulted me rather than try to refute my comment.
We all like to think of ourselves as rugged individualists. But when push comes to shove most of us are sheep who do what we are told. Worst of all, a lot of us become unpaid agents of whoever is controlling the agenda by enforcing the current dogma on the few rugged individualists who actually exist.
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I didn't "insult" you, Larry! I said in "so many words"(a method I'm absolutely sure you're inteligent enough to know that's my S.O.P. around here)that I thought you were expressing your "dismay" with how the last election turned out, an apparent constant theme of yours lately whenever somebody brings up anything about the issue of "taxation" and the like, that appears to ME anyway to resemble a "sour grapes whine".
Yep! Just like a good Single Malt Scotch, you might call me "an acquired taste" TOO.(among the many OTHER things you may care to call me, of course)
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I'm simply pointing out the consequences of our collective actions and hoping people will remember their own responsibility for what they are now complaining about. I have no sympathy for those who vote for nanny staters when they are screwed over by those very people, and very little for those who do little or nothing to stop them. I believe it is completely proper to rub people's noses in the messes they cause or allow to be caused. If you consider that whining then you obviously have a different definition than I do.
We all like to think of ourselves as rugged individualists. But when push comes to shove most of us are sheep who do what we are told. Worst of all, a lot of us become unpaid agents of whoever is controlling the agenda by enforcing the current dogma on the few rugged individualists who actually exist.
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By the way, I'm not complaining about the insult, just noting it. As many as I dish out I'm not in a position to be touchy about it. 
We all like to think of ourselves as rugged individualists. But when push comes to shove most of us are sheep who do what we are told. Worst of all, a lot of us become unpaid agents of whoever is controlling the agenda by enforcing the current dogma on the few rugged individualists who actually exist.
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Maybe so. Maybe so, Larry. But allow me to direct you to that other "Please" thread goin' on right now and my latest posting in it, and then maybe you'll get "where I'm coming from" here. And maybe you'll see that you and I are NOT so far off in our thinking about that issue of "responsibility" afterall.
Yep! Just like a good Single Malt Scotch, you might call me "an acquired taste" TOO.(among the many OTHER things you may care to call me, of course)
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They have to tax somthing to bail out all there rich buddies that ran this country to its death. I cant wait to see what else they are going to do to save us.
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If they are looking for money they should make weed legal and tax the crap outa that too.
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Yeh but then folks would still get it cheaper through their normal routes.
I reckon whatever the governments decide to tax, I'm sure there'll always be someone out to provide a cheaper supply...
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This seems like a huge money making opportunity for the Indians. Casinos and cigarettes, a great combination.
We all like to think of ourselves as rugged individualists. But when push comes to shove most of us are sheep who do what we are told. Worst of all, a lot of us become unpaid agents of whoever is controlling the agenda by enforcing the current dogma on the few rugged individualists who actually exist.
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It is a big money maker for the Natives up here. Theres a reserve outside of town where theres a smoke hut in front every other house. You can get 200 so-so cigs for 10 bucks or 22 bucks for ones that are comparable to ones at the corner store (70 bucks) .
If the Natives make money at it then it only goes to show what obscene taxes (profits) are being made by the government. I dont see any of these taxes being used for smoke cessation programs.
Who is more addicted to tobacco?
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Well, sorry ol' buddy, but I don't feel like puttin' on warpaint and sportin' feathered headgear and stormin' any ships docked in San Pedro right now, dude! At least NOT regarding THIS issue anyway!!!
(I guess I'm just not a "good Patriotic American", huh?!)
Now if you visit the duty free shop on one o' those cruise ships, your smokes are much cheaper.
I don't know how much since I don't smoke, but the booze is a good third to half off what you pay ashore.
And if you go over the allowed amount, the duty is only 2%.
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Danmn nanny staters.
Can't get away from them.
One one side, they want to tax/ban your smokes.
On the other side they want to run your sex life.
Just different nannies, that's all.
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This seems like a huge money making opportunity for the Indians. Casinos and cigarettes, a great combination.
The CT revenuers paid a visit to the cigarette by mail order Seneca tribe in NY, in order to get their CT customer list.
The Senecas told 'em to get off their sovereign parcel, and go pound sand.
Senecas - 1
Revenuers - 0
Speaking of the insanity of those who make decisions for us,
a bill was introduced at the federal level some years ago that would require UPS & Fed Ex
drivers to collect mail order cigarette taxes at the recipient's door during the time of delivery.
Every so often I get a fantasy of growing one crop that
would require a 5 month wait, and afford a year's worth of income...
then that nasty living in a 6 X 10 box for a few years if caught
makes the fantasy disappear.
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On the other side they want to run your sex life.
Just different nannies, that's all.
I'm sure you can explain who is actually snooping in the bedroom and who is out with signs in demonstrations demanding everyone else accept, promote and celebrate their particular predilections in the name of tolerance. While simultaneously being absolutely intolerant of any and all disagreement.
Who is it that is demanding everyone else change to make them happy? Many Iowans are a bit sensitive about that right now as we have, once again, been dictated to by our judicial tyrants.
We all like to think of ourselves as rugged individualists. But when push comes to shove most of us are sheep who do what we are told. Worst of all, a lot of us become unpaid agents of whoever is controlling the agenda by enforcing the current dogma on the few rugged individualists who actually exist.
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Today the smokers' tax, tomarrow the passive drinkers' tax. No kidding, the UN and other "progressives" are working on laws taxing the "pasive alcohol" effects ie the social & medical cost of drinking alcohol just like they've done with smoking. Will it never end? no, it's about big government and control. web page
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Wellcome to "France" the nanny state move has already started. My complaint about the smokers tax is why do you fund a program SCRIPPS with a product that has a shrinking tax base??? It was all about making you feel good as it's for "the children" (which in this case can stretch to almost age 30). So does this mean when the tax base shrinks to a point that not enough money is coming in to support the plan it's going to stop. Heck no, will have to raise taxes somewhere else to pay for the program. And as far a growing your own, it will soon be regulated to prevent you from doing that on your own (soon to be government) property. Get used to it folks, the progressives feel your not smart enough to be free and it requires there intervention in your lives to protect you from yourselves. On another note, the PrezBo, is refusing to take repayments of TARP money from several banks. Why, it's all about control. http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123879833094588163.htmlThe only way to change this is not to sit here and ******, but write and call your representative in Congress often. Become a PITA. And sure I am on my Senators blacklist. Than vote for the person you feel best supports your viewpoints, and the Constitution.
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On the other side they want to run your sex life.
Just different nannies, that's all.
I'm sure you can explain who is actually snooping in the bedroom and who is out with signs in demonstrations demanding everyone else accept, promote and celebrate their particular predilections in the name of tolerance. While simultaneously being absolutely intolerant of any and all disagreement.
Who is it that is demanding everyone else change to make them happy? Many Iowans are a bit sensitive about that right now as we have, once again, been dictated to by our judicial tyrants.
The point Larry, which as usual you choose to ignore, is that the "nannies" know no political boundaries.
They exist on the right and the left.
Of course admitting that does nothing to further your particular prejudice, does it?
Hence the obfuscation, which is also typical.
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As usual whenever traditionalists resist giving in to the strident demands of radicals they can expect to be called intolerant bigots while those making those strident demands for complete surrender to their preferences wrap themselves in the mantle of victims and call it a fight for justice. Never any doubt which side you'll come down on is there?
When these folks show up at your local evangelical church demanding the pastor sanctify their relationship under threat of a lawsuit, and only a complete idiot would doubt they will, I expect you'll be there berating the pastor as a hateful bigot.
We all like to think of ourselves as rugged individualists. But when push comes to shove most of us are sheep who do what we are told. Worst of all, a lot of us become unpaid agents of whoever is controlling the agenda by enforcing the current dogma on the few rugged individualists who actually exist.
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Hence the obfuscation, which is also typical.
What obfuscation might that be? I think I've been pretty clear. Get your insults straight!
We all like to think of ourselves as rugged individualists. But when push comes to shove most of us are sheep who do what we are told. Worst of all, a lot of us become unpaid agents of whoever is controlling the agenda by enforcing the current dogma on the few rugged individualists who actually exist.
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Actually, they are getting tricky about ammo. They want to ban/tax the heck out of casings so the reloading industry dies. Gives "brass tacks" a whole new meaning...
I'm a smoker. I enjoy smoking. Is it killing me? Probably. Is it still legal? So far. Why am I being singled out to pay for some government program?
Reminds me of a union contract our company actually got approved a few years ago. It said the wage rates for several classifications will increase per year except for the following people, and then proceeded to list 14 individuals. Based on their hire date, they were excluded from the wage provisions of the contract. Members of the same union... hmmm. I could never understand that one. I'm not a union member btw.
Anyway, what's next? Every day something else is purported to decrease your lifespan. Eggs. Beef. Coffee. Sugar. Flour.
Somehow, it's never multiple homes, BMW's, government pensions, or government per diems.
Let's face it, we are governed by criminals. Blood-sucking, immoral, out of touch criminals who wouldn't know common sense if it hit 'em upside the head with a 2x4.
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You will end up the same as Australia.
In our local courts pot dealers get a slap on the wrist.
A guy from one of our local towns was caught selling illegal tobacco, he got 12 months jail time.
Main reason they said was because he was avoiding paying the tobacco tax.
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As usual whenever traditionalists resist giving in to the strident demands of radicals they can expect to be called intolerant bigots while those making those strident demands for complete surrender to their preferences wrap themselves in the mantle of victims and call it a fight for justice. Never any doubt which side you'll come down on is there?
When these folks show up at your local evangelical church demanding the pastor sanctify their relationship under threat of a lawsuit, and only a complete idiot would doubt they will, I expect you'll be there berating the pastor as a hateful bigot.
You're so predictable.
You don't have a rebuttal so you set up a straw man.
Show me where I came down on any side.
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Hey smokers, I have a question. Would you pay only 1 dollar a pack if it meant that you could never smoke in a public place? Always have to go outside no matter what the weather or venue?
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I would like it if people couldn't smoke outside public places either on a personal level. I hate walking through the smoke at the doors of Wal Mart. People hang out leaning against the door frames smoking. I haven't changed my mind about how I feel about these laws, I don't like them. I like the result but not the pricipal.
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Hence the obfuscation, which is also typical.
What obfuscation might that be? I think I've been pretty clear. Get your insults straight!
One of the definitions is evasiveness.
You chose to evade the statement that nannies exist in both major parties with some obtuse questions about bedroom snooping.
And, of course, you (wrongly) take the giving of an example as endorsement of that example, and then rail against that.
Obfuscation- intentionally (or obtusely) trying to confuse an issue.
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I'm just curious if this is a serious cost issue, or a "freedom" issue. Smoke cheap, but get a fine if you do it in public. Not that it matters, eventually it will be expensive and restricted. I'm a quitter, this year will make more years not smoking than smoking, and I don't regret quitting at all. I have a lot of smoker friends, and I don't give them any grief about it, they all know what it does.
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I see very little good on either side, seems everything has a hidden agenda or things attached to it. I also agree there are nannies on both sides as well as stupidity. Not speaking of either one of you guys but the general sides you guys are talking about.
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Another way to look at the tobacco taxes: They're taxes that nobody has to pay. All voluntary.
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