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From Magnecor http://www.magnecor.com/magnecor1/main.htm8 mm - part 2072 7 mm - part 2772 8.5 mm race wires - part 2572 I bought a set of 8 mm @ $56 for the pair, plus $8 shipping via Priority Mail. The order arrived in under a week. If I'm not mistaken, Triumph & Bike Bandit ask $44 per plug wire, plus shipping. The 8mm models come in dark blue cable with black boots only, in plug & play ready to install state. They appear to be of very good quality, and fit well. No inline capacitor or ground strap business - just traditional silicone plug wires. I don't believe the coil side will need the traditional wire tie securement, although it's probably not a bad idea in order to avoid an isolated firing impulse, which I believe could well wipe out the control module.
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How much are factory wires?
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If I'm not mistaken, Triumph & Bike Bandit ask $44 per plug wire,
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Is there anything special about these wires? Any reason someone couldn't just buy a spool and some ends and crimp his own? $56 (+ $8) seems a lot for two wires.
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There is no reason why not. You can get just as good quality that way as the manufactured wires. Not sure about the NGK ends on our wires but I know in the past those kind of screwed onto the end of the wire. My old BMW has them and a couple of the other bikes I have had did too. You used to even be able to get them at a lawnmower shop.
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Cool, I'll plan to do that when the time comes. Seriously, for that price, I'd just as soon solder a new wire right to the plug. 
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I know, with my commercial discount I don't pay that much for 8 much longer wires for my truck.
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I know, with my commercial discount I don't pay that much for 8 much longer wires for my truck.
$50 for the NGK set from Brent. I could have saved some bucks making my own, but I like throwing some business Brent's way occasionally.
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Brent's NGK wires are very good and he has the Premium wires with Stainless Bremi caps which are very cool. Reasonable compared to factory. Making your own is ok but finding the right coil ends can be a PITA. Then you need the bulk wire, NGK caps, coil boots and crimp tool. The 7mm vs. 8mm isn't much of a factor. It's the thickness of the insulation. It has nothing to do with the spark.
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D-mn! I didn't know Brent sold plug wires, or I would've gone there or to FastEddy. They do a lot for us behind the scenes. Sorry Brent & Eddy. I looked for plug wire terminals at two local then two nationwide chain stores with no luck*. I was also hesitant to roll my own, due to the variety of plug wire types for various applications, and the time I would need to figure that out. Aside from generic cable, here in the woods it's all mail order for something exotic as spark plug wire individual components, then mystery wait times for delivery. The other thing was I read somewhere about the potential issues of soldering stainless steel wire, and so on. I hate to pay $60 for $6 worth of parts, but so it goes. So anyhow -- anybody know how I can test the secondary side of an OEM coil? The Haynes manual has me befuddled on their explanation of that part of the coil test. *My wife has a Ford with those wrap around P.O.S. battery terminals. While on my four store quest for plug wire parts, I shopped for battery terminals too. No one had anything but bolt type crimps -- no solder or 'real' crimp terminals. WTF folks? I'm not a fan of battery terminals that are near guaranteed to fail like the bolt crimp types, that also allow moisture & corrosion to climb up the copper. I had to resort to mail order to get solder type terminals with heat shrink to waterproof the connection. ````````````` What I mean by bolt type crimps  It's my belief that it's not a matter of if they are going to fail, but when they are going to fail. I spent way too much time chasing battery connections in four battery per vehicle setups in another life, and refuse to use these. That's enough coffee typing for one day. I'm off to go get something done, even if it's wrong. 
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I wouldn't give Brent the sweat off my.......
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I wouldn't give Brent the sweat off my....... given my past experience with him. Then add that to being able to save more than 1/2 by buying elsewhere.
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I wouldn't give Brent the sweat off my....... given my past experience with him. Then add that to being able to save more than 1/2 by buying elsewhere.
Most of us know your opinion on Brent.  
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I've had at least a dozen positive transactions with Brent, not to mention his extreme generosity at sponsorship during BA events. Y'sure it isn't just you?  FWIW, Your 1/2 price elsewhere claim isn't exactly fair or accurate. In fact, it slides up pretty close to typing in fluent anti-trust, or would it be slander? On the other hand, I'm no lawyer, but I did stay at a Days Inn once or twice. (They had good sleepin' chairs there too.)
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I've had at least a dozen positive transactions with Brent,
not to mention his extreme generosity at sponsorship
during BA events.
Y'sure it isn't just you?
FWIW,
Your 1/2 price elsewhere claim isn't exactly fair or accurate.
In fact, it slides up pretty close to
typing in fluent anti-trust, or would it be slander?
On the other hand, I'm no lawyer, but I did
stay at a Days Inn once or twice.
(They had good sleepin' chairs there too.)
You sure it wasn't Holiday Inn Express Bucky? 
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Do I have to go through the whole story again? Me? definately not. I am not the only one that has had problems with him and am also not the only one that refuses to deal with him. I have even extended an olive branch a couple times and got no reply. Not that I would ever deal with him again but I did try and bury the hatchet. 1/2 price is being generous I can do 2 plug wires of that length for much less than 1/2 what he charges if I buy the wire and put the ends on.
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Oh, if I get my 'mind right',
any old gutter or garage or furnace room or lawn chair or pic-anic table will do
that whole "go to bed" thing is highly over rated
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Do I have to go through the whole story again? Me? definately not. I am not the only one that has had problems with him and am also not the only one that refuses to deal with him. I have even extended an olive branch a couple times and got no reply. Not that I would ever deal with him again but I did try and bury the hatchet. 1/2 price is being generous I can do 2 plug wires of that length for much less than 1/2 what he charges if I buy the wire and put the ends on.
You don't have to go into the whole story. I'm sure you could make your own wire set no problem but others either don't want to make them, don't have time to make them or lack the skills you have. In any case it doesn't mean you should bad mouth Brent at any opportunity. If you choose not to deal with him that's your choice. Many of us have been dealing with Brent for years with no issues. I'm sure Brent sets his price to what the market will bare. If he wasn't selling plenty of product he'd be lowering his prices. I'm sure you don't work for free either.
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I haven't said anything bad about him in quite a while so your statement that I do at any opportunity is BS. The worst I have done lately is offer a more cost effective alternative to his product.
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I haven't said anything bad about him in quite a while so your statement that I do at any opportunity is BS. The worst I have done lately is offer a more cost effective alternative to his product.
BS, that's the pot calling the kettle black.
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Anyone who is in the business of selling things who doesn't aim for maximum profit via getting as much as possible and what the market will bear, is a fool.
We haven't gone fully socialist yet,
(although we are working on it night & day by propping up faulty companies.)
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Anyone who is in the business of selling things who doesn't aim for maximum profit via getting as much as possible and what the market will bear, is a fool.
What does that make the people who pay those (maximum profit via getting as much as possible and what the market will bear) prices? 
Sounds like AIG's employee manual.
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What does that make the people who pay those (maximum profit via getting as much as possible and what the market will bear) prices?
Anybody in business or with a job who tells you they don't want to make as much money as they can is full of crap.
Plain and simple. I'm reminded of the complaining over baseball player salaries - like any one of us would turn that kind of money down. "Oh no Mr Steinbrenner, you keep all that money and just pay me $27K a year." Ya.
AIG is a publicly traded company. All the salaries were public knowledge, and available to the entire world's population via the internet, 24/7. No one complained.
Let's get real -- If any one of us were in line for the large salaries and bonuses of AIG and the fallen banks, it's a pretty good bet none of us would have returned the paychecks for being too large. The price of the salaries didn't tumble Wall Street or AIG. Parlaying money with rice paper mortgages to back it up did.
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on the ground strap type, where do you ground them? thanks cat 
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I don't know Bucky, I would say a lot depends on that person's character. Given the current economic situation I would probably forgo those bonuses in an effort to smooth public relations.Like those other execs that agreed to work for $1 a year to help bring the company back. I forget who that was , might have been GM execs but not sure.
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on the ground strap type, where do you ground them?
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Clean off a nice spot and bolt the tab to the backbone of the frame.
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What does that make the people who pay those (maximum profit via getting as much as possible and what the market will bear) prices?
Anybody in business or with a job who tells you they don't want to make as much money as they can is full of crap.
Plain and simple. I'm reminded of the complaining over baseball player salaries - like any one of us would turn that kind of money down. "Oh no Mr Steinbrenner, you keep all that money and just pay me $27K a year." Ya.
AIG is a publicly traded company. All the salaries were public knowledge, and available to the entire world's population via the internet, 24/7. No one complained.
Let's get real -- If any one of us were in line for the large salaries and bonuses of AIG and the fallen banks, it's a pretty good bet none of us would have returned the paychecks for being too large. The price of the salaries didn't tumble Wall Street or AIG. Parlaying money with rice paper mortgages to back it up did.
Subject seems to have shifted from "raping the consumer for the maximum profit the market will stand" to "salaries & bonuses"? 
Question remains,"What does that make the people(fools) who pay those prices?"
If someone WANTS to make the "maximum profit via getting as much as possible and what the market will bear" 1.) shame on them 2.)more power to them.
If I was stupid enough to pay those prices, SHAME ON ME! 
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I agree, as a business man I want to get what I can for my work and parts but by that same token I try and keep my prices low enough that I don't feel I am ripping off my customer. In some cases I even sell things cheaper than I should to help out a customer who I can tell is scraping to find the cash and need the part or service. That being said I am not going to spend more than I have to in order to end up with the same result.
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Thread topic: plug wires.
Maybe if you guys stop bugging Bucky he'll fix his bike,
and we can go riding. It's starting to get nice here.
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Yep, was beautiful here today too but I had things to do all day. I just had the bike started a little bit ago when I got home but didn't go anywhere.Maybe tomorrow if it's nice again.
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Yeah I need to get my lazy / tired old a-- over to that circa 1905 or something dungeon of a garage and put her back together. 60 & sunny here today. No bike, & shuffled papers all day long.
Kill me now with the pointy end of a claw hammer,
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Maybe if you guys stop bugging Bucky he'll fix his bike,
and we can go riding. It's starting to get nice here.
it was nice in Maryland last week. well Friday actually. rained thursday, saturday, and sunday morn. real nice and cold monday morning.
wtf has this to do with plug wires? Well I carried a spare spark plug wire in addition to a spare coil, and if you can fricken believe it, a spare igniter. ah the joys of having sister motorsickles.
Dog, you don't like brent. we ALL got it. and those who mention aig, bankruptcy laws are for that, not nationalization. thoughts on the ussa.
didn't need the manifold rubbers or rubber clamps either.
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