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Ive been following this on another forum . as Roundy says justice served. the blogs at the bottom of the page can get interesting.
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Wow, so, like, no death penalty in Georgia? C'mon, step it up! Oh, and Merry Christmas, A-hole.
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I hope none of you or myself are ever in the situation of having to protect ourselves or our family’s. The only thing this guy did was not wait till this guy came on his property. This motorcycle guy was apparently chasing his kids and kicking their door or something. If the guy had come on his property, trying to run him down, It would've been justifiable. It is a shame in any event for everybody involved. And wouldn't it be interesting to know why he was chasing the girls in the first place? Maybe they ran him off the road or almost killed him doing something stupid and he had a little road rage going on. Hmmmmm? 
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Dang it. Sounds like you are sticking up for the ahole without even bringing yourself up to speed, eh? ahole could have went inside, called the leos and Bryan Joseph Mough, 21, wouldn't have to push daisies. now gear is everyones squeeze. good for him that major toejam. Gear's daughters should join their daddy in prison too. Burt Bacharach -Walk on By ... er walk inside. Gear was/is an old name in the athens area. Thought he was bigger than his britches. P.S.: the next time a cager upsets me i am going to ram his/her cage with my motorsickle. THAT will even things out a bit. omg.
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I hope none of you or myself are ever in the situation of having to protect ourselves or our family’s. The only thing this guy did was not wait till this guy came on his property. This motorcycle guy was apparently chasing his kids and kicking their door or something. If the guy had come on his property, trying to run him down, It would've been justifiable. It is a shame in any event for everybody involved. And wouldn't it be interesting to know why he was chasing the girls in the first place? Maybe they ran him off the road or almost killed him doing something stupid and he had a little road rage going on. Hmmmmm?
Justice served since the guy never went on the property. He shouldn't have chased the girls or kicked the door but I know there have been a couple times where a car almost killed Wendy. I chased them and kicked the door and probably would have done more if they stopped. Not shoot them or anything but vent my anger. The guy who shot still would not have been justified just because the man came on his lawn. Not sure about other states but here you are only supposed to use equal force to defend yourself as used against you. So in a fist fight it isn't OK to shoot your opponent, he would still have to prove the guy was trying to run him down and not just pulling in to talk to the guy. Chances are the girls cut the guy off and he got mad and intended to yell at them and he was killed for it. As he drove by I should add, not in the act of yelling or attacking anyone. The guy deserved his sentence , imagine if he got away with it. Think of what that would open up. Anyone could shoot a passing motorist and claim the same thing then cite this case as precedence. I think this guy exactly what he had coming except the death penalty might have saved the tax payers the cost of supporting him the rest of his life.
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DEATH PENALTY, Ian?! REALLY???!!!
Nah! This whole thing OBVIOUSLY was a case of two HOT-HEADED individuals with TOO MUCH friggin' Testosterone coursin' through BOTH their moronic veins!
One sayin' to himself after being cut off, "Why those friggin' teenyboppers!!! I'm gonna hunt 'em down and show 'em a thing or two!!!"
And the OTHER friggin' moron with a GUN sayin' to himself, "Nobody on God's Green Earth is gonna threaten MY KIDS!!! No surree BOB!!!"
(and I'm thinkin' the MAJOR REASON everybody here is especially pi$$ed off about THIS particular STUPID incident which unfortunately happens ALL TOO OFTEN is this land of Macho Sh*theads is ONLY because one of these HOT HEADS was a friggin' MOTORCYCLIST!!!!)
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Oh! AND, I'm ALSO thinkin' the MOST(beside those gun charges) he should have been found guity of was First Degree MANSLAUGHTER, and sentenced to about 20 years.
(and all the while havin' that GUN o' his shoved up his a$$!!!!)
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Of course, the way this moronic Criminal Justice system of ours "works", he'd probably get out in half that time if he's a "good boy" behind bars!!!
And so, HEY Ian, now that I think about this again maybe you're RIGHT AFTERALL!!!
(in other words...just like when Yosemite Sam's horse won't stop and he takes his rifle butt and hits his horse upside its noggin' with it and says, "When I says whoa, I MEANS WHOA!"...when I say 20 friggin' years, I MEAN 20 friggin' years!!!!)
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I don't agree with manslaughter since he basicly shot a guy for driving by pi$sed off. If that was a good reason can you imagine how many people each day would get shot? It was cold blooded murder in my opinion, if the guy stopped and got off and pulled a weapon then it would be different. Even if they guy stopped and approached him there still would be no justification for shooting if the guy only wanted to have words with them but he was never even given that chance but instead shot dead as he drove by. I am all for protecting my family and have been in that position as you may remember. Cops are useless here and Wendy and Amanda were assaulted in my front yard, Amanda was even pregnant. I controlled myself and just broke it up, I didn't even hit anyone (wish I had now that I see the police are unwilling to do their job) but if this guy had gotten off then it would set a precedent and I would be within my rights to have shot those assailants that night. I was not nor should I have been and they took it a step farther than the guy on the bike here and actually assaulted my family. The way I see it this guy murdered the biker plain and simple, not manslaughter not justifiable homicide but murder and premeditated at that. The guy was called by his daughter so he had plenty of time to consider his actions. Having the gun was not the mistake as he doesn't know what is going to transpire but using it way before such action was called for was a mistake and he is gonna pay for it.
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(I'm gonna try this here usin' this here "other people words to try to reach 'em" once again here.....)
"Cold Blooded"???? Did y'all say "COLD BLOODED" there, Ian???
LOOK dude...That MORON with his P*NIS EXTENTION(otherwise known as his GUN) was ANYTHING BUT in the frame of mind that could conceivably be refered to as "Cold Blooded"!!!
The MORON in question here was almost SURELY in a state of "HOT BLOODEDNESS" if anything. For you see, I'm ALMOST sure that in what passes for his little moronic BRAIN(very loosely described here, you understand) nestled betwix and between those ears o' his, he was irrationally thinking that he was "protecting his kids"!(with that above-mentioned "p*nis extention, once again), and MOST LIKELY got caught up in the moment, 'cause as I said above, he appears to be a hot-headed and HOT-BLOODED MORON!!!!
And remember...if the other hot-blooded MORON would have just LET IT BE(like Sir Paul advised in that famous ol' song o' his) and wouldn't have followed those brats to their home, and then he MIGHT STILL BE ALIVE TODAY to enjoy the wonderful world of MOTORCYCLING!!!!
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I wasn't saying the jerk with the gun was not mad but that doesn't give him the right to shoot. The biker should have let it go too, yes , I agree with that. To me it is cold blooded murder since it was not in the heat of a fight but shooting some poor guy driving by weather he was mad at that guy or not. I am sure he felt he was protecting his off spring but there again he went too far and used excessive force and also used to way before there was any threat to anyone. The act of following the girls, while not smart, was not in itself a reason to shoot. It could probably be construed as stalking and or harassment but nothing more. I understand and did before what you are saying I think it is you who don't understand what I meant by cold blooded. It has nothing to do with weather he was mad or not it has to do with the threat level and his actions.
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Well, I agree with ya when you used the term, "excessive force" alright! Yep, I'm in TOTAL agreement with ya there, ol' buddy.
Just seems to me that instead of eulogizing the dead motorcyclist here, we'd ALL BE better served to remember that almost ALL incidences such as this have a "cause and effect" factor within them. And, because this "C/E" factor played into this whole particular sad situation, and that that alone can and maybe should have had some bearing upon this.
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going by what i,ve read on this ,it may well be that the azzholes kids have clipped the kids bike and took off,he was a newbie rider on a new bike. he did follow them home (as they where not going to stop and give their info)so maybe he could call the leo,s and report them. its not the first time that azzhole and his kids had issues with other kids ,and shots where fired .hopefully his appeal fails and he and his family get what they deserve.
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going by what i,ve read on this ,it may well be that the azzholes kids have clipped the kids bike and took off,he was a newbie rider on a new bike. he did follow them home (as they where not going to stop and give their info)so maybe he could call the leo,s and report them. its not the first time that azzhole and his kids had issues with other kids ,and shots where fired .hopefully his appeal fails and he and his family get what they deserve.
That is my thinking exactly, and I am sure he would have had a few choice words for them. My point has been right along that he wasn't given that chance.
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The important thing here is:
HE WAS SHOT IN THE BACK!
He was leaving the scene.
Another thing:
The shell casings were removed.
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Point taken. He was shot in the back and that makes it murder. The law is always in that vaine, that when the threat is over, deadly force is uncalled for. It did stimulate some good banter though.
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Yeah, Chip! We're gonna take this "Twelve Angry Men" act on the road! Which part would you like??? Don't say the Lee J. Cobb part, dude! I'd like to tackle that one myself. (it's always more fun to play against type, ya know)  
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The use of a deadly weapon under the circumstances described would be like hitting a fly with a sledgehammer.
Too much force used.
1-Where was the abilty of the biker to exercise deadey force on the Dad?
2-When did the bike demonstrate an intent to kill the Dad or the kids?
3-When did the Dad feel fear that he was in immminent danger of having deadly force used on him?
4-Why did Dad shot two shots at the bike while he was riding by on the public street?
5-If Dad was defending himself and his kids then how did the biker get shot in the back?
Again too much Testosterone being displayed here....
Basic facts do not justify the use of deadly physical force here.
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Yes shot in the back just makes dad a bad aim. As a father of 2 girls, I have to agree with one point, I feel the girls called dad got him all worked up and he went overboard in the end. I know he is a fellow biker but that doesnt make him a good guy. What would his move have been if they didnt go to dads house, rape, robbery? Yes Dad should have called the police, that I agree with, but the biker is not out of blame here.
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I have to agree with Chip on this one, the guy followed them home. Did everyone miss the fact that he road by the house twice while being shot at(father must not be the best aim). I know he is a fellow biker but that doesnt make him a good guy. What would his move have been if they didnt go to dads house, rape, robbery? Yes Dad should have called the police, that I agree with, but the biker is not out of blame here.
Provocation is a circumstance under the law as well.
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I agree, I fill bad for both families. But, like I said on another forum, We got a twofor here, we got two idiots off the street.
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A man who shoots someone in the back is a man who...
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Point noted, but cops do it all the time. Like I said the whole thing is ahame. Both over reacted, both did stupid things. Even in our "civilized" world it's still a dangerous place.
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Point noted, but cops do it all the time. Like I said the whole thing is ahame. Both over reacted, both did stupid things. Even in our "civilized" world it's still a dangerous place.
Yes it's a shame. Several poor decisions, one person dead, two families ruined.
THINK people, use your logic not your emotions.
Very sad.
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shot him in the back as he was charging toward him? Another case of the magic bullet. hope he gets locked up with a bunch of bikers. Maybe we need psyco testing instead of a 5 day waiting period. Although the reason I don't own a gun is I'll probably use it in an angry sort of way where my fists could do the job.
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