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Anyone got any experience with these? i notice they've started doing exhausts for our bikes and being based in England i was wondering if anyone had them fitted or could comment on the sound/performance. From what the guy said over email they're quieter but deeper than TORS but they have a removeable baffle so I'm not sure if that statement is based on baffles in or out. link is : www.trident-exhausts.comAnthony
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Can you name one thing thats considered "well engineered" from United Kingdom? 
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Ummm Erle, is that supposed to be a trick question?  I would have to say that our bikes fall into that category.... 
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You're definitely asking for it, Earl.... Hope you're not a closet Hardly lover.... 
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he just forgot. right? or he's on a bender... 
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Can you name one thing thats considered "well engineered" from United Kingdom?
How about Emma Peel on the avengers? (Miss Rigg)
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Are you still banging on about bloody exhausts, Ant.?!!!  Just buy a set and *you* let *us* know what they're like!!! I can't comment on the sound of the pipes but I'm not convinced of his description if the pipes are those as seen in the picture. He says they're "...between the Triumph long and short pipes in length..."; those in the picture appear longer even than the stockers.
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hah! it's a long process buying exhausts in my house mate! first i have to ask my missus if i can buy some and she says "no" then i wait a month and ask her agan and she says "no" then i buy her some flowers and she asks "who have you been sleeping with?" its a complex series of negotiations, and i've only just got to the point where the bank of girlfriend has released my funds from my own bank account  so you can understand that i'm keen to get it right first time otherwise i'll never manage to get the money out again! 
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*looks for the 'under the thumb' smiley*
OK, so funds are 'managed'...
what do you want from an exhaust? You keep asking about pipes other than TORS, what do you want that the pipes on my bike (TORS) didn't give?
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Trident/Wolf has a great reputation. Peter Sorrell, the owner, loves Triumphs. Go for it mate, you should be right chuffed.
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Trident/Wolf has a great reputation. Peter Sorrell, the owner, loves Triumphs. Go for it mate, you should be right chuffed.
While this may be true, Peter Sorrell, who is high enough in the company to apparently speak for what the company does and doesn't do seems like a massive bell end.
After looking through the site I e-mailed them asking if they had a sound clip of the pipes in action because if one could hear them, it might make the decision to purchase them a bit easier, this was the reply I got...
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Sorry we don't have a sound clip of this bike - we completely rely on our customers videos etc for this sort of thing and so far no one has done this for the Speedmaster
Regards
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Seems like a silly thing for a company to do to me, rely on customers to advertise and market their products. From a consumer standpoint this is what it looks like, "Here, spend $440 of your money in this tight economy on my product, when your done could you tell everyone how great our product is, as a matter of fact, could you let them hear it too, that would really help us out a bit."
Just my thoughts on the subject because right now I'm leaning towards Scepters because I know by the sound clips on their website that bike will sound good with them on.
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OK, so funds are 'managed'...
what do you want from an exhaust? You keep asking about pipes other than TORS, what do you want that the pipes on my bike (TORS) didn't give?
well to be honest, i was all up for TORS after hearing yours and thinking they are gorgeous, i ran across the Tridents quite by accident.
but thinking about it i suspect i'm looking for exhausts with a deeper and louder sound (ideally the sameish kind of sound you get from TORS) but ideally something that i can ride into europe without worrying about the French (a mate got busted recently for overly loud pipes - which i didn't think were that overly loud).
Heading into Spain just after the new year and if that works out i'm hoping to do a few more trips across the water on the bike so it's something i'd like to stay on the safe side of (plus it means i can just get rid of my stock ones if the Tridents work out - thus lowering the overall cost.)
likelyhood is that i'll still go for the TORS unless i get a chance to listen to these Tridents and they really blow me away - i don't really want to lay down 300 squids unless i get a chance to hear it.
but yeah, definately under the thumb - especially as far as my finances are concerned (i have a habit of being silly with money)
(As a side, we might be doing a trip up to Buxton again between Xmas and Newyear if you're interested - and assuming i get her bike up and working)
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Hi
Just found this board as JesterMinute mentioned it when he emailed me.
I thought I would say hello and mention that whilst we don't have any sound clips (and don't really believe in them as they never sound accurate on a PC) we do have an unconditional returns policy so if you wanted to purchase one and fit it to the bike for a listen, if you don't like the sound you can always return it for a full refund.
Obviously that doesn't extend to riding around for a week or two to make up your mind but if you want to start up and run through the revs range a few times that would be no problem.
We'e only been making the pipes for this model for about 2 years now and so only sold a couple of hundred sets but I can say we have never had one back and only ever received praise for the sound and quality. I should also mention that unlike the TORS ours are stainless and so will last forever and give 2 bhp extra over the TORS.Most importantly however, the Trident come with a removable baffle so you can choose the sound level between legal and loud...
Please feel free to email me or PM with any questions
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Hi
Just found this board as JesterMinute mentioned it when he emailed me.
I thought I would say hello and mention that whilst we don't have any sound clips (and don't really believe in them as they never sound accurate on a PC) we do have an unconditional returns policy so if you wanted to purchase one and fit it to the bike for a listen, if you don't like the sound you can always return it for a full refund.
Obviously that doesn't extend to riding around for a week or two to make up your mind but if you want to start up and run through the revs range a few times that would be no problem.
We'e only been making the pipes for this model for about 2 years now and so only sold a couple of hundred sets but I can say we have never had one back and only ever received praise for the sound and quality. I should also mention that unlike the TORS ours are stainless and so will last forever and give 2 bhp extra over the TORS.Most importantly however, the Trident come with a removable baffle so you can choose the sound level between legal and loud...
Please feel free to email me or PM with any questions
Sounds like a good deal to me. For the money, and stainless steel I don't see how you can go wrong here.
However, define your UN-conditional guarantee again? It seemed to me it was un-conditional with conditions.
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We offer a lifetime warranty so if anything goes wrong we replace the goods or refund
In addition we have a 7 day return guarantee that says if you return the goods for any reason within 7 days you get a full refund if they are in the condition we sent them in - ie if you damage them they are yours and if they are used they are yours (but we allow a quick run to asses them - if they come back dirty, sooted up and covered in road muck they are not returned as new so we wont refund but if you try them on the drive way for a few minutes then they are still as new so no problem)
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Hey Peter, I don't know how the F--- this slipped by me earlier but I have a fairly important question for you. You've clearly stated to me that anyone who wants a sound clip for an exhaust before purchasing it is a Rube (your words to me via e-mail) and that's fine I guess, there is some truth to the fact that sounds don't come over perfect on the internet even though I believe a sound clip gives the customer a good idea before he spends his money. My question is, if you're so proud of your exhausts why don't you have a picture of them? This is the picture NewSpeedmaster.com has been using for years under the Scepters link...  And this is the picture you have on your site under the America/ Speedmaster link...  Looks kinda familiar to me
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We supply New Bonneville (new speedmaster etc) and have done for years...
I'll check the photo they sent us but it looks exactly like ours to me - in every detail - so either they have two that look identical and sent us the wrong one or they've posted the wrong one for the other brand. I have several more pictures so if you let me know you're email address I'll send them to you to compare when we get back after Xmas. Hope that helps
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Now I'm really confused. You said... Quote:
We'e only been making the pipes for this model for about 2 years now and so only sold a couple of hundred sets
on Brent's site he says...
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newspeedmaster.com is proud to “Team†up with the best in the business.
We now stock the Sceptre Exhaust System from Team Triumph. The Original!
on the Team Triumph website also found this...
The very same picture in question.
Unless my memory is mistaken Team Triumph has been offering Scepters for greater than two years now and presumably they are the ones that supplied Brent with the picture to put on his website. So you're saying that Brent at newspeedmaster.com supplied you the picture of your exhaust so that you'd have something to put on your website because you've been supplying him directly with those exhausts?
So help me, if I'm wrong about this whole situation and Trident Exahusts is on the up and up I'll apologize but this whole thing sounds too fishy to me. Anyone else agree? I think we need Brent to chime in, he might be able to clear this whole situation up.
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I'm also confused... on newbonneville.com, there is no listing for Trident exhaust that I can find, nor is it listed on newspeedmaster.com.
Team Triumph has been making Scepters since 2002, in house from what they told me recently.
Something's weird here.
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Well if it makes everyone happy I'll change the picture on the site - I get pictures from many of the dealers we supply and this one went up two years ago so if it's on their site I'm pretty sure that's where it came from - as I said it looks exactly like ours..
I'll email Brent and ask if he remembers
There's nothing fishy going on - we've been making exhausts for 12 years now and cover every Triumph model which no other maker does - if we've made a mistake then I'm sorry but we've sold about 200 sets which everyone has been happy with and they look like the picture - though to be fair it's hard to look different with stainless slash cuts..
Incidentally, we're on Brent's sites under Wolf which is what we brand as when we don't sell direct.
I must say you lot are very aggressive on this site - I only came on to try and help someone who enquired to me and in within an hour you lot are having a go. I don't think I'll bother to come back after this is cleared up...
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No wolf pipes on Brent's site either... And I don't think it's a sign of aggression asking for clear answers on questionable issues.
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I don't think I'll bother to come back after this is cleared up...
thats too bad, we like to support our vendors here, and I would say 99% of the owners upgrade the exhaust system
I guess that's why I'm not a businessman
BTW, I found the exhaust on newspeed3.com
http://www.newspeed3.com/html/wolf_exhaust.html
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Well maybe I just don't respond well to being called a bell end by someone I've never met and never done business with...
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But who you did call a Rube for asking for a sound clip.
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Seems to me you can't argue with Trident's policy.If they will let you buy a set and try them to see if you like them and return for a full refund if you don't. You can't get any more reasonable than that. Add a lifetime warranty and stainless construction with removable baffles sounds like a good deal. $440 (price gleened from above) is a lot of money and more than I would spend on exhaust but if they are what you want and you have the cash I say give them a shot. If Trident is being truthful you can always send them back for a full refund if you don't like them only question I would ask is if they will cover shipping if you don't like them.
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True enough Ian but I guess the point is, would anyone in their right mind put $440+ shipping in the hands of someone who's given questionable answers at best on the guarantee of the same person for pipes they've never seen or heard? It doesn't sound like a safe bet to me at all.
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I agree with you there, Ian. But, would you buy a pipe without knowing what it looks like (assuming they look like Sceptres) or how it sounds, even poor sound on a pc?
And calling a potential customer a rube for requesting a sound byte would have to fall under "retarded business plan"
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I agree name calling is always a bad idea justified or otherwise. I would like to know what they look like for sure and not want to see a pipe that looks like it but see the real deal. That is just common sense and goes for anything anyone would buy, they are going to want to see the actual product. As for sound bytes, it is a good idea to offer one but I agree you really don't get a good idea of sound on the computer. I listened to many when I was looking to do exhaust and you really don't know where your volume should be set to get a good idea since you don't know how loud it was recorded. You can maybe get and idea of tone I guess.
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Just to set the record straight what I said in a private email after Arsnltim said my business was stupid for not doing sound clips was that we've always thought that they were unreliable and kind of for rubes. I didn't call him anything (though I could think of a few choice words now ) personally - I just expressed an opinion on the voracity of sound clips on line. The point I also made was we don't advertise or do trade shows etc - every pipe we sell (and in 12 years that's been over $10M worth) is done by word of mouth and recommendation so we've never needed to have gimmicks like videos and sound clips because most of our customers have seen them on a friends bike or trust their mates recommendations. I didn't ask anyone to contact me - you chose to without any advertising or invitation from me and then chose to insult me and the way I do business. Maybe we Brits aren't as up to date with the way we do business as the Yanks but I am quite happy with the way I work - real people that see or hear about my products like them and decide to but them. I then hand make each and every one myself ( I have no staff at all) and if they like what they get (which all do) they tell their friends or post on a forum etc or most often get stopped by a stranger and asked "where did you get that pipe" - and I like it that way - I get a real buzz from hearing that someone got flagged down at a gas station and asked about their exhaust - it's old fashioned perhaps but it's the way I work and will always do so. I set up Trident to be something I could enjoy doing - I don't need money as I retired several years ago after floating my company - I do these pipes at a reasonable price and I make them the best I can - every pipe I make for every model beats all the competition on the dyno and in terms of quality of materials used. We have won every magazine test we've ever been in and in 12 years and over 20000 pipes made we have had less than a dozen returned.
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Just as a correction, the contents of the e-mail was posted earlier in this thread. I wrote an e-mail asking for a sound clip. The response I got was Quote:
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Sorry we don't have a sound clip of this bike - we completely rely on our customers videos etc for this sort of thing and so far no one has done this for the Speedmaster
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Seems like a silly thing for a company to do to me, rely on customers to advertise and market their products. From a consumer standpoint this is what it looks like, "Here, spend $440 of your money in this tight economy on my product, when your done could you tell everyone how great our product is, as a matter of fact, could you let them hear it too, that would really help us out a bit."
Just my thoughts on the subject because right now I'm leaning towards Scepters because I know by the sound clips on their website that bike will sound good with them on.
Regards
Never did I say that his company was stupid, I just expressed that it seemed silly that a company wouldn't want to give the customer what they were asking for then expect the customer to do 100% of their advertising, a point of view that I still stand by.
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No offense but sound clips are gimmicks to attract rubes who know nothing about exhausts
seemed directed at me, so illustrated by the no offense comment directly preceding. If the comment wasn't directed at me than there would be no use for the "no offense."
So were we both off base? Maybe and I'd like to take the opportunity to apologize for calling you any names. But there are still unresolved questions
Like
1) What do your pipes sound like?
2) What do your pipes look like?
3) Why do you say you supply directly to Brent at NewSpeedmaster but there are no Trident or Wolf exhausts anywhere on his site?
4) Why don't you have pictures of your exhausts on your website instead of a fuzzy picture of Scepters?
5) If you've handmade 20000 in 12 years that's 4.5 exhausts every day including weekends for 12 years straight by your self, with no staff. I don't make exhausts but that seems like a high turnout for having no staff. Do you stand by those numbers?
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I don't see a sound clip as a gimmick to attract someone who knows nothing about exhaust. There are many riders out there that want a bike that sounds good and really don't care about HP or torque. I fall into that category, I consider it a bonus if I get HP and torque but really just want my bike to sound good and run right.
20,000 in 12 years with no help is a bit far fetched.
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Numbers are correct - but it wasn't always just me - I simply said it was now but that's only been the last 2 years - and we still do over 1200 a year now - I make around 4-5 each weekday - some weeks I do a few hours on the weekend too.
I have asked my IT guy to change the picture when he gets in to the office - still don't know if it is wrong or not but I'll take your word for it - I was simply sent it by one of my dealers so if there is a mistake I can only apologise tat I didn't notice when it was sent to me.
I've sold a couple today (might be due to all this talk on here so thank you) which wont get made until after Christmas now but I will ask the buyers if they want to do sound and video for your forum.
If you look above in the thread you will see a link someone else posted to our pipes on Brent's side
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Welcome Trident! What we have here is a passionate lot, who are searching for the holy grail of exhaust pipes(silencers or mufflers). We love to talk about 'em, argue about 'em, and even put a bunch of 'em on the dyno to compare 'em. Don't be put off by the enthusiasum, I've met just about all these guys face to face, and their bikes mean alot to them. Back on topic, here's a vid Tim took of my bike on the dyno at our NH Rally last year. It sounds OK on my laptop, but sounds life-like when I plug the laptop into surround sound system w/100 watt subwoof and turn it up. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6PwyOg-LKjkBTW I've got Bubs, and there's a pic of my bike on their website. While us impertinant Yanks are telling you how to run your business, Why not send a set over to someone here in the states, and let them review the pipes. Maybe with sound clips, and dynos? Uncle Charlie
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I would volunteer for that!I even still have a set of unaltered TORs I could compare them to as well as a set of gutted stock pipes..
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This is quite easily rectified, if someone in the UK who lives in the vicinity of "Walters Ash, HP14 4UD" who has a video camera and has an hour to spare.
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