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Considering buying an America. Some questions.
#301032 11/17/2008 1:48 PM
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Hey all,

I'm a new member on this forum. I'm considering buying a used America, and I have a couple of technical questions that I haven't seen the answers to in the stuff that's already online.

1) What is the total wattage put out by the electrical system, and how much of that is used to support the basic functions of the bike (headlight, coils, etc)? I do occasionally do some cold weather riding, and I use a heated jacket liner and gloves (about 100 watts). Also, I might want to add some auxillary lighting, so it would help to know how many watts are available.

2) I'm hardly a mechanic, but I do like to do basic maintenance if I can. From what I've seen, basic stuff like oil changes look pretty easy. I've bled brakes and done fork oil changes before. My current ride is a 1982 BMW, and if you know anything about those you know that the valves need to be adjusted pretty frequently. I understand that the valves on this bike need to be adjusted a lot less frequently, which is great, but I've never adjusted a shim-style valve before. How tough is it? Could someone with VERY basic mechanical skills do it?

3) The bike I've looked at recently has been performance modded with exhaust and racing carbs. I'd probably switch back to the stock parts. If I do that, what can I expect in terms of fuel economy? (My BMW gets 40 MPG and has a 5.5 gallon tank, so I've been spoiled in terms of the range I can get between fill ups).

Finally, I know you guys love your Triumphs or you wouldn't be on this board, but is there anything I need to be aware of or to watch out for? Is this bike really as low maintenance as it seems?

Thanks in advance,
Joe


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Hey all,

I'm a new member on this forum. I'm considering buying a used America, and I have a couple of technical questions that I haven't seen the answers to in the stuff that's already online.

1) What is the total wattage put out by the electrical system, and how much of that is used to support the basic functions of the bike (headlight, coils, etc)? I do occasionally do some cold weather riding, and I use a heated jacket liner and gloves (about 100 watts). Also, I might want to add some axillary lighting, so it would help to know how many watts are available.




per greybeard, "According to the '03 manual, the alternator is good for 27 amps, so that might help you sort things out."

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2) I'm hardly a mechanic, but I do like to do basic maintenance if I can. From what I've seen, basic stuff like oil changes look pretty easy. I've bled brakes and done fork oil changes before. My current ride is a 1982 BMW, and if you know anything about those you know that the valves need to be adjusted pretty frequently. I understand that the valves on this bike need to be adjusted a lot less frequently, which is great, but I've never adjusted a shim-style valve before. How tough is it? Could someone with VERY basic mechanical skills do it?



yes. Just don't drop anything into the engine. Diligence

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3) The bike I've looked at recently has been performance modded with exhaust and racing carbs. I'd probably switch back to the stock parts. If I do that, what can I expect in terms of fuel economy? (My BMW gets 40 MPG and has a 5.5 gallon tank, so I've been spoiled in terms of the range I can get between fill ups).



Go stock => 120/42 you would have seen 50mpg. but with E10 try 45mpg.

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Finally, I know you guys love your Triumphs or you wouldn't be on this board, but is there anything I need to be aware of or to watch out for? Is this bike really as low maintenance as it seems?




nothing to watch out for. They truly are low maintenance.





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moe #301034 11/17/2008 2:26 PM
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Thanks Moe. Looks like the alternator is good for about 378 watts (assuming 14 volts). I still need to know how much the bike eats just running.

Anyway, everything looks good. Here's hoping I have a new addition to the garage soon!


-Joe Merlino Boston, MA USA 1982 BMW R100 (decomissioned), 2003 America Triumph: Cool enough for The Fonz, cool enough for me.
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nned to know what kind of carbs you have on there. that makes a difference. but either way you should be no lower than 40

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Right now there's some kind of racing carb on there, but I'd go back to the stock carbs (He still has them).


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I sent you a pm regarding the carbs if you want to swap or sell them.


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I don't even know if the seller will accept my offer yet, so I don't wanna get too far ahead of myself.


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My current ride is a 1982 BMW, and if you know anything about those you know that the valves need to be adjusted pretty frequently. I understand that the valves on this bike need to be adjusted a lot less frequently, which is great, but I've never adjusted a shim-style valve before. How tough is it? Could someone with VERY basic mechanical skills do it?




I also do most work myself, and I can tell you this is a HUGE pain in the arss. I almost didn't buy the bike because of the shims. These are not high-RPM motors, and the only reason not to have adjustable rocker arms is that it saves manufacturing cost. I'd like to smack the designer upside the head. I hate it.


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If you have VERY basic mechanical skills, maybe the dealer is a better bet. I get mine done for about 150 bucks every 8-10 thousand miles. It's worth it to me, more for the fact that I have no garage, so all my work is driveway done. A lot of guys here have done them, most succeed, some fail and bend valves.


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I also do most work myself, and I can tell you this is a HUGE pain in the arss. I almost didn't buy the bike because of the shims. These are not high-RPM motors, and the only reason not to have adjustable rocker arms is that it saves manufacturing cost. I'd like to smack the designer upside the head. I hate it.



I'm sure I'll manage. ******, if it only needs to be done every other year, I'd actually consider paying someone else to do it. My Beemer needs it done every 2000 miles.

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Thanks Moe. Looks like the alternator is good for about 378 watts (assuming 14 volts). I still need to know how much the bike eats just running................




I asked this question a while back and never did get an answer. I will say that the missus and I both have Gerbing jacket liners and the bike keeps up with them with no problem. No other accessories.

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If you don't mind picking up a spanner ie
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2) I'm hardly a mechanic, but I do like to do basic maintenance if I can.


then you'll be fine with the maintenance, including the shims.

Prior to getting my bike 2 years ago I hadn't done anything to a bike other than basic stuff, like changing the fluids etc.

Anyway, I considered letting the dealer do my shims (if needed) but the whole thing of taking it to the shop, waiting around, paying them for it etc etc amongst other things just didn't sit well with me.

So I read everthing I could on this place, bought the haynes manual and was given the Triumph manual, and with the help of my buddies here with answers to questions I had, I successfully changed the shims that required it, and was pretty happy with myself to boot.

So if you look at it like it's a challenge and you have a half descent setup with space and the required tools, you might just enjoy it like I did.

Beside saving money and the satisfaction of doing it yourself though, I much prefer to know what has been done and to know it's been done properly (I think ).

For instance the mechanic at the dealer near my place (same bloke, small dealership) said to me when I asked him if he could swap some shims, that it didn't matter if the valve gaps were larger than the specs by a little bit but not the other way round ie smaller gaps than spec.

Well I personally didn't like the idea of letting this bloke near my bike. Call me a bit pedantic if you want but if the manual says the valve gaps should be within certain tolerances, I adjust my gaps to within these tolerances.

Simple really and that way I know my bike has been serviced propely and better still, is running nice and smooth like it should be, and is.


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So if you look at it like it's a challenge and you have a half descent setup with space and the required tools, you might just enjoy it like I did.




I don't mind doing the work, although I have had bad experiences with "challenges" in the past (I blew up my Beemer's first engine - a long story I'll tell if people want to hear it, though it doesn't make me look good). I have tools, but I don't really have much in the way of garage space (especially if I end up keeping the Beemer as well). I do most of my work in the driveway of my house.


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Hey, I thought of another question: Is there a fuel pump, or are the carbs gravity fed?


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Hey, I thought of another question: Is there a fuel pump, or are the carbs gravity fed?




gravity fed.

On the general maintenance issue the only point i would make is that your bmw probably doesn't have a chain but the stock america does. I consider mine a pain in the butt.

On mileage, carbs and pipes are one thing, but the tank size is another. You can search the archives but my stock bike with screen does 125-150 miles to reserve. The good news is that you can almost certainly trade your aftermarket bits for stock on this site - Many of us are power mad tinkerers.

I LOVE my America after 5 seasons. It's the best all around bike I've ever ridden and I've got way more miles on it than on the sum total of all the bikes I owned in the preceding 35 years.

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I LOVE my America after 5 seasons. It's the best all around bike I've ever ridden and I've got way more miles on it than on the sum total of all the bikes I owned in the preceding 35 years



We just have brilliant all round bikes that look good, can be made to look gooder, ride good and are easy to fix good.


I also never get sick of changing bits here and there and then seeing how it looks and feels when riding

I have no intention of exchanging my speedie for anything ele either


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On the general maintenance issue the only point i would make is that your bmw probably doesn't have a chain but the stock america does. I consider mine a pain in the butt.




Yeah, I know. My first bike had a chain. I'm not crazy about them, and would give serious consideration to a belt conversion at some point. Even so, I know how to take care of one.


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Hey Joe

Like all those before me you can't beat these bikes.

Give up hoping and go get buying, you will not be diasappointed.

As for the chain, I ordered the QPD belt drive from ossie the day i put the deposit on my america. Works a dream, easy as to install.

there's heaps of help and advice around this site for anything you might think of doing.

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...is there anything I need to be aware of or to watch out for? Is this bike really as low maintenance as it seems?





Yes, you'll develop an overwhelming desire to mod the bike. As to maintenance, basically yes, however IMO the only real PITA is valve adjustment, & at factory recommended intervals even that's not a burden.

What are you waiting for?

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Yep chains are a bit of a pain and I'd love a shaft drive but to make it easier for myself I've put a scott oiler on. It's much cleaner, better for your chain and sprockets and it oils my chain automatically

I put it on at the same time as a new 530 chain and sprockets and I've noticed I haven't had to adjust my chain as nearly as much as before.


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Always preferred chain drives myself, but then I'm just an old fart, my America is the best bike I've owned, and I've had a few over 39 yrs, Reliability, Handling, Maintaince, Style,East to work on, they are just brilliant


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Chains, carbs, wire wheels, tubes - all classic stuff. I don't mind the chain and love having carbs. Chains and sprockets give you ability to make gearing changes to suit your taste. Carbs are a lot easier to adjust than re-mapping EFI. I wouldn't mind tubeless tires, but don't want to give up the laced wheels.


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Chains, carbs, wire wheels, tubes - all classic stuff. I don't mind the chain and love having carbs. Chains and sprockets give you ability to make gearing changes to suit your taste. Carbs are a lot easier to adjust than re-mapping EFI. I wouldn't mind tubeless tires, but don't want to give up the laced wheels.




I'm with you there. I love the look of the spokes. My Beemer has cast alloy wheels. They're nice and all, but not nearly as classic looking as laced. I like carbs as well.

There's a contingent of BMW riders who wish that BMW would bring out an updated version of the old "airhead" bikes. Carbs, air cooled. Not that the new Beemers aren't technological marvels, but they're just so complicated now. I don't think I'd be able to do even basic maintenance on a hexhead.

Update: I got a voicemail from the seller on Friday. His other potential buyer is, I guess, moving a little too slowly for him. Hopefully, I'll talk to him today and we can finalize the deal.


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UPDATE: It's official! My America is coming home Saturday!


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They are fabulous bikes-you'll love it.


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