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This is a great safety accessory that I just installed...I purchased this through bellacorse.com and it was a fairly easy install...it will time out or cancel your turn signals, has a 20 second or a 30 second time out you set with tiny little toggle switches on the unit...the first toggle switch is to turn on the running light option. And another option is to wire into the brake power out so that the turn signals will not time out while you sit at a stop light...it will quit counting down as you have the brake applied and then resume the time out after starting off again or releasing the brake. And it also flashes all four now running lights four times as you apply the brakes...a great safety option, you can shut this option off if you don’t want it. http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn26/jimesaj/DSCN0783.jpgThe first step for me was to remove the seat...this will give you access to the turn signal and brake wires that you will need if you want the running light and brake light option. The stock flasher on my 2009 America is under the right side of the gas tank...to make sure where it was I just turned a signal on, and you can feel and hear the flasher...to make it easier to remove the stock and place the new unit I removed the one bolt for the gas tank and was able to lift the tank up free and clear of the area where the flasher and now signal minder mounts. http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn26/jimesaj/DSCN0780.jpgThere are two wires you will need to tag into the left and right turn signals...to use the running light option, and one wire you need to tag into the brake power wire...I followed the wiring harness that runs under the rear fender from the tail light and it comes out under the seat on the left side http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn26/jimesaj/DSCN0782.jpg just peel back the protective cover on the harness and use the scotchloks that are supplied to tag into the Green/purple wire for the left turn signal...the Green/blue wire for the right turn signal(this will now make them running lights also) and a scotchlok on the blue wire for the brake option. http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn26/jimesaj/DSCN0788.jpgThis works really nice and the bike is so much safer now with running lights, and you will never have to cancel you turn signal again...you can also use your turn signals as four way flashers now...and the brake option flashing the lights as you apply your breaks just really brings attention to those behind you that you are stopping...I have seen motorcycles rearended as they come to a stop...so this option should be a great safety option.
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hey. Nice write-up, thank you.
I had purchased a similar unit a couple of yes ago and borked the install. Your note would have helped.
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I'm not one who likes all the gimmickry,gadgetry,trinkets,bells,whistles,flashers,beepers,etc., but living in a densely populated tourist town, I find the features of this device a necessity now! This appears to meet safety needs without being overbearing. Thanks for the post, as I'll now look into getting one. 
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It was always more fun to make that hand gesture to Zmilin or Karen when they accidently left their turn signal on.  But it sounds interesting nonetheless, thanks very much for the information and links!
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Well written Jim...did you manage to install those 2 tiny springs in the signal light switch that overrides the cancel button? I have the same unit and tried to install those springs, but couldn't get them to stay in....so I still have to cancel the unit before I can push the indicator switch again. I haven't installed the running light feature yet, but will do so now that I've seen your instructions.
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Dang! $110.00!  Why can't it be like $40-60.00? 
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It could be more like $100 HERE  -brent
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I did not get to the springs yet, I figured I would need four hands to get that one done...so I will tackle that one night this week...I wasn't in a hurry since the signals still time out. I will let you know if I can figure out how to get them to stay there...I am thinking a little grease/lube to get them to stay put while putting the two halves back together.
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Jim....good luck on fitting those Return Springs! I had 4 hands and couldn't get them to stay in place. The space where they are supposed to go is very small. Let us know how it goes.
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Without the springs installed I guess that when you have switched the indicator on, the next time you come to use them you have to cancel it first before they work again
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It could be more like $100 HERE
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Thanks, but it would have to be more like $60.00 to be HERE
Again, Thanks anyway. 
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I also installed the signalminder and I love it! I tried to install the little springs inside the switch and when I opened up the switch housing YIKES! parts flew everywhere, TINY parts, I was lucky to find them all and thought I'd never get it back together. I also installed the tail-blazer which flashes the brake light when you fist apply the brakes, all those flashing lights really get attention . I feel better when I am sitting at a light and I see some giant SUV bearing down on me with the driver chatting on the cell phone, I grab the brake lever and I've got three flashing lights coming on. Sometimes I can actually see them mash the brakes when I do that.
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Without the springs installed I guess that when you have switched the indicator on, the next time you come to use them you have to cancel it first before they work again
That's correct...
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yes, and no...the unit times the signal out or shuts it off...but the button does stay in the middle...but the next time you need a signal you really just push the button where you need it..you don't have to cancel the button to the center position everytime..but yes it will be nice to have the springs in..just still haven't had four hands to help me...or the guts to try it : )
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Well, I took the signal housing apart and really can't find anywhere for the springs to go on my 09 America.  The white square piece in this blurry picture is the latching part...there are two areas where the springs would fit if I cut the shorter to decrease the size of the springs..but it looks like they will just fall out of the housing to the ground...the only other thing I am thinking is the cancelling button has a screw on the back, so I can take that out and then maybe the switch will just slide back and forth and latch, then the signal minder will time it out...hmmmmmm not sure, anybody else got any ideas...I will check with Kisan, maybe I can send them the pic of the housing and they can tell me what to do... 
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Nice try Jim. I cut the springs a bit shorter and still couldn't get them in.
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well, I think the best part about the signal minder is being able to flash the now running lights...I thought I didn't want them to flash to the front when breaking but it turns out to be a very good safety item drawing attention to you while approaching intersections. I have been lightly touching the front brake to get them to flash and it definitely gets attention...because of the brake option the running lights flash four times...I just was approaching an intersection with three cars all in weird positions and got all of their attention...nice!
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well, I think the best part about the signal minder is being able to flash the now running lights...
Jim... I wonder if both amber flashing signal lights would confuse those wayward motorists out there. 
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I also wondered if they would be confusing to motorists...and thought I would shut that option off, by hitting the brake six times rapidly it says you can shut the flashing off..but for now it has definitely helped...I have seen no confusion...so far I can see in their eyes that it caught their attention and I believe is much safer...standby for further though...time will tell!
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I just added the Kisan line-up as a result of this post, thank you. I didn't know there was a product out there for bikes.
I have been aware since the 70's of this concept in auto's and the studies of the effect of a modulating light in terms of increased safety and visibility. I actually flicker my brakes manually when I get into quick braking situations on my bike and in my car.
It is an incredible product line that Kisan has in terms of quality flexibility and true safety items. All made in US too. Thanks for the post.
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I have also used their tail blazer brake light that flashes your rear brake light on other bikes...that works very well also...but the signal minder is working out real well for me...it really gets everyones attention, especially approaching cross traffic...and just the extra running lights makes me feel so much safer in the dark, especially on the freeway...I also tap my brakes all the time in my truck...and thank you for your post, now that I clicked on your site I found a Triumph sweatshirt I have been wondering if anyone has, so I just placed an order...ride safe and everyone have a Happy Thanksgiving! Jim
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I just turn them off. It’s not that hard to remember
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eddy.....you could offer a prize to the first person who gets those two small SPRINGS installed properly!... 
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I bought one of these from Eddy, quick delivery as usual. Did run into one issue. If, like me, you have LED turn signal bulbs and diodes instead of resistors to control the flash through on the dash light (also LED)then there is not enough current draw to trigger the KSM... Unless you hook up the running light option. The incandescent bulb in the taillight drew enough current for it to see a load and start working. Have not tackled the springs yet.
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I recently got one too and ran into the same issue. I think a load equalizer is needed as well.
Mine worked the first few times with teh runnign lights but eventually started to not want to flash for a right turn.
I looked at doing teh springs and decided it wasnt going to be possible as out switch assembly is all but sealed. It might be possible if the assembly was completely torn apart adn modified. Im talking about the actual white switch assembly found inside teh black control housing.
Good luck tho.
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This is a great safety accessory that I just installed...I purchased this through bellacorse.com and it was a fairly easy install...it will time out or cancel your turn signals, has a 20 second or a 30 second time out you set with tiny little toggle switches on the unit...the first toggle switch is to turn on the running light option. And another option is to wire into the brake power out so that the turn signals will not time out while you sit at a stop light...it will quit counting down as you have the brake applied and then resume the time out after starting off again or releasing the brake. And it also flashes all four now running lights four times as you apply the brakes...a great safety option, you can shut this option off if you don’t want it.
http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn26/jimesaj/DSCN0783.jpg
The first step for me was to remove the seat...this will give you access to the turn signal and brake wires that you will need if you want the running light and brake light option.
The stock flasher on my 2009 America is under the right side of the gas tank...to make sure where it was I just turned a signal on, and you can feel and hear the flasher...to make it easier to remove the stock and place the new unit I removed the one bolt for the gas tank and was able to lift the tank up free and clear of the area where the flasher and now signal minder mounts.
http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn26/jimesaj/DSCN0780.jpg
There are two wires you will need to tag into the left and right turn signals...to use the running light option, and one wire you need to tag into the brake power wire...I followed the wiring harness that runs under the rear fender from the tail light and it comes out under the seat on the left side http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn26/jimesaj/DSCN0782.jpg just peel back the protective cover on the harness and use the scotchloks that are supplied to tag into the Green/purple wire for the left turn signal...the Green/blue wire for the right turn signal(this will now make them running lights also) and a scotchlok on the blue wire for the brake option.
http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn26/jimesaj/DSCN0788.jpg
This works really nice and the bike is so much safer now with running lights, and you will never have to cancel you turn signal again...you can also use your turn signals as four way flashers now...and the brake option flashing the lights as you apply your breaks just really brings attention to those behind you that you are stopping...I have seen motorcycles rearended as they come to a stop...so this option should be a great safety option.
Hi Jim
After reading your write up on the Kisan Signal minder I took the plunge and installed one. Great job - I managed to install the springs in the indicator switch unit - not easy - but worth it. 
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I managed to install the springs in the indicator switch unit - not easy - but worth it.
Tell us more. I couldnt see how it could be done so please...share! Pics are good to.
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I managed to install the springs in the indicator switch unit - not easy - but worth it.
Tell us more. I couldnt see how it could be done so
please...share! Pics are good to.
Sorry No pics - But I will have a go at describing the process.
The indicator switch is white and held in by 3 screws.
Carefully remove the screws - one of them is for the horn and there is a spring under the casing. take out the white indicator switch and carefully open the switch - there are four contacts with small springs under them and they will more than likely fall out so be ready - Now you will see the existing return springs either side of the switch - remove them and install the springs that came with the unit - large end of the springs facing the switch.Now carefully put the switch back into its encloser without upsetting the four contacts. I hope all that makes sense
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It does...I was hesitant to open up that white casing.
Ill get some snap shots if I opt to go for it. Thanks!
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The indicator switch is white and held in by 3 screws.
Carefully remove the screws - one of them is for the horn and there is a spring under the casing. take out the white indicator switch and carefully open the switch - there are four contacts with small springs under them and they will more than likely fall out so be ready - Now you will see the existing return springs either side of the switch - remove them and install the springs that came with the unit - large end of the springs facing the switch.Now carefully put the switch back into its encloser without upsetting the four contacts. I hope all that makes sense
With Dereks words of wisdom I went down and did mine. Its taken me longer to upload the photos and write this up than it did to get it done. Im using my pics and his words so hope this helps!
*** WARNING*** there are small parts involved so be gentle and careful not to jerk anything apart.
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there are four contacts with small springs under them and they will more than likely fall out so be ready
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Now you will see the existing return springs either side of the switch - remove them and install the springs that came with the unit - large end of the springs facing the switch
I did mine opposite Dereks. I saw a spring get hung up on left during testing so I reversed them. You can see the left spring in the upper pic before I switched them around.
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Now carefully put the switch back into its enclosure without upsetting the four contacts
Since you have it apart its a good idea to go ahead and clean up and re-lube the electrical contacts.
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Nice One,now I'll have to ahold of Eddy.
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Just purchased from FastEddy, could you re-post the pix of your work?, the photobucket link must be out of date.
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I have had this unit installed for about 2 months now. Everything worked well (flasher option and all that) and finally got around to putting in the springs in the switch for auto cancelling about two weeks ago. Still everything worked like it should. Rode the bike to work on Monday and the turn signals did'nt work. The flash option works and running lights and all that, but no turn signals.  Anybody ever come across this? Is there a seperate fuse for the turn signals? I haven't opened the switch on the handlebar to see if something is amiss there. Thanks
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We'll get you going the right direction, not to worry!
If you have lights flashing that rules out the turn signal circuit, I would think..maybe not. Turn signals are on #7 in the fuse box and also control brake light and horn so if this is burned out you would not have horn or brake lights.
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Thanks for the quick turnaround Eddy! I'm at work now  but will call in a few hours Kevin
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so after much help from posts here on TBA, i was able to wire up my Kisan signal minder to the brake / left / and right signals. i opened the switch box and put the new springs in (which you really don't have to do; but what the heck) HOWEVER if you leave the reset feature intact, you are basically creating a hazard for yourself in that using the turn signal once and not resetting (which lets face it, you probably bought the signal minder because you are not good at minding your signals) leaves you with NO SIGNALS. so i called Kisan (spoke with Andy) and was told i could either cut little pieces of the plastic packaging out and block off the latching tips (what you hear click when you use the stock switch) or just snip the latching tips off (basically the entire middle of the box if no use once you have the signal minder FULLY installed) after snipping the latching tips and it STILL needing reset, i basically just gutted the reset levers and low and behold, works like a dream!!! 
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