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Decel Popping
#292615 09/15/2008 7:12 PM
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My bike just started to pop on decel. Gradual at first but now getting worse. I have removed the AI and put Bub pipes on, it ran fine for 5K miles. I posted here due to the mods I have made. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. thanks in advance


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Geezer #292616 09/15/2008 7:21 PM
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790 or 865, & what is your current carb setup?

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790, 05 America, stock factory carbs. thanks


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Check for exhaust leaks - manifold bolt torque, crossover pipe joint, and silencer to header joints.


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Deon #292619 09/16/2008 6:59 AM
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Re: Decel Popping
islandbum #292620 09/16/2008 8:13 AM
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The decel popping is generally caused by a lean condition...in addition to what's shown above, the ususal suspects are a damaged airfilter, lean main &/or pilot jets, air screws too lean, vaccum leak, or some combination thereof.

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B02S4 #292621 09/16/2008 12:23 PM
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Thanks All, appreciate the quick reply. I found it this AM, small crack in one of the carb vacumn plugs, left side. I'm off to the parts store to get a few, and will also try installing a small tube between the vacumn connections. All your inputs will be held in notes for future ref. thanks again, Butch


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The decel popping is generally caused by a lean condition... the ususal suspects are a dirty airfilter,



Usually thought dirty air filters promote rich conditions due to the restriction on airflow.


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Re: Decel Popping
Gregger #292623 09/16/2008 4:41 PM
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Ray, keep in mind that if you've changed to Bub pipes which are less restrictive that stock, what I call decel rumble should increase. After carb work and SS pipes, I definitely got decel rumble and some popping I never had before. If you richen up the mixture to eliminate all decel popping you'll find you're running too rich (check plugs from time to time).

I recently checked my plugs and found I was still too rich. I turned the screws in a bit for a more optimum mixture and the decel popping went up. The bike runs great and I'm getting used to my new "normal" level of rumble. Now, both me and the plugs are happy.


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Gregger #292624 09/16/2008 5:53 PM
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Thanks for catching that Gregger, fixed it above

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Geezer #292625 09/16/2008 6:06 PM
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Here's some info I found on another forum. My speedie is doing it more after I did the BB but I'm still dialing it in. I couldn't quite understand why you would get popping from unburnt fuel in the exhaust if the bike was running lean so I did a Google search and this helps to explain why(the carb pages that I had bookmarked aren't available anymore). The original post was on a Honda forum and they mention a PAIR valve which sounds like our air injection system.

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Burn Baby Burn

The last thing I want to address today is the subject of deceleration backfire, or “popping”. This topic generates a lot of concern from inexperienced riders, or even from experienced guys who just hate the noise, so lets take a look at what causes it. But first things first, lets define the issue:

Deceleration Backfire is caused by fuel burning in the exhaust manifold or header.

No ifs ands or buts, that’s what causes it. But the bigger question is how does gas get there in the first place, and that’s a bit more complicated. Generally, there are a variety of ways it gets there, and a variety of things that can make the backfiring worse. But there’s a kicker, and something you should understand before we go any farther:

A motor in perfect tune will exhibit deceleration backfiring.

Therefore, just because your motor is banging it up, doesn’t mean there’s anything wrong. And consequently:

Getting rid of the noise means de-tuning your motor.

Yup. If you’ve jut got to eliminate that popping, you’ll have to accept the fact that your motor is going to be forced to run rich to do it, and that isn’t necessarily a good thing. So lets talk about what causes the problem.

Ok, so you’re riding along at some given rpm, and suddenly you decide to decelerate, and you reduce the amount of throttle. This causes an “overrun” – that is, the motors rpm is turning faster than the fuel provided can support, so the motor begins to spool down. This causes a couple of things to happen.

First, when you close the throttle, you are also closing the throttle plates. This reduces the air and fuel flowing into the motor, and increases the vacuum (lowers the pressure). This results in less air and fuel in the cylinder during the power stroke, which in turn results in a lower pressure in the combustion chamber. Remember I said earlier, that the A/F mix burns faster in proportion to the pressure applied? Well, when we reduce pressure this way, the mix burns slower. This results in two things happening.

1. The lower burning fuel generates less heat, and the cooling effect of the non-burning fuel tends to “quench” the flame front, or slow it down even further. Because the mix is burning much slower, the exhaust valve can open before all the fuel is consumed, and the unburnt fuel is ejected into the exhaust.
2. The engine designers, in order to promote smoother idling and better combustion, retard the spark when the throttle is shut, and this results in the mix being lit later.

So, now we end up with unburnt fuel in the exhaust, and burning fuel being ejected into the exhaust, and bang! Backfire. In addition, Honda has added a device called a “programmed air injection valve” (Pair Valve) that actually injects some fresh air into the exhaust to help this process along – since fully burning the fuel results in cleaner exhaust. So the backfiring is not only a normal part of the engines operation, it’s also intentionally amplified by Honda! Of course, normally, that massive bazooka pipe Honda hangs on your bike hides most of the noise, but it’s there, even when you can’t hear it.

So the bottom line, is: That backfiring is perfectly normal and expected. If you’ve just got get rid of it, that’s up to you. You’re entitled to set your motor up the way you want, and your goals are your goals. But don’t refer to it as “fixing” the popping. Rather, the correct way to think of it is “de-tuning a bit to get rid of the popping”.

There are a few ways you can do this.

First, use the stock pipe. It will hide the sound, by absorbing it into mass, and masking it with the larger baffle space. Second, you can add more fuel during deceleration. This has the effect of raising the chamber pressure slightly, which burns a little more before the exhaust valve opens. Lastly, you can remove the Pair valve, which reduces the amount of available oxygen in the pipe to burn the unburnt fuel.




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EnglishYankee #292626 09/16/2008 6:24 PM
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The vacumn nipple had only a small crack in it, it was even hard to see unless I moved it. Am thanking all for the great info, I will store in my archives for future ref.
I use to get more pop on decel, but when I removed the AI that seemed to tone things down. When the pop started, I was not sure where to start checking cause all looked in good shape by a quick visual. Thanks to all, this is a great forum

v/r, Butch


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