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page after page of Triumph love in this months issue of C.W. also anybody else get this issue of Triumph?? that mag is getting better, i just started reading it and it is of course an ad mag for Triumph but they are starting to include people and places and events and things  got to admit its getting better, its getting better all the time 
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Yep newt, good issue. There sure is a whole lot o' Triumph mentions in this issue, alright. What did ya think of the retro bagger comparo? However, I really liked reading that article about that Irving Vincent race bike! Is that a thing of beauty or what?!
(BTW...nice Beatles cover there dude!)
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Also the Rocket III tourer won the "Kings of the Road" bagger shootout. 
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Yes, received the October CW issue two days ago, and already read it cover to cover. Peter Eagen, is always a interesting read. Buy the way he has a great story about riding his BMW and being tailgated by a big PU truck, in the October issue of R&T.
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Don't know why I bother to sign up for the Triumph mag, I haven't gotten one in a year.
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Don't know why I bother to sign up for the Triumph mag, I haven't gotten one in a year.
C.W. is "Cycle World" Ian.
Stay focused dude 
I liked the fact the the Moto Guzzi California Classic placed in the top three in the Bagger test.
I kinda like that funky retro styling. Might consider one for a two up tourer.
And of course with Egan writing the report, it's entertaining as well
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I am very well aware of that Bill but the Triumph mag was mentioned and that is was an advertisement. I haven't even gotten the ad rag. I used to get Cycle World at one time. Quote:
anybody else get this issue of Triumph?? that mag is getting better, i just started reading it and it is of course an ad mag for Triumph but they are starting to include people and places and events and things got to admit its getting better, its getting better all the time
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I was disappointed the RIII Touring was slower than the Victory (and a few others). That's what I was afraid of from the original RIII. Why have a 2300 cc bike if you can't dust off your buddies. Quote:
Also the Rocket III tourer won the "Kings of the Road" bagger shootout.
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Why have a 2300 cc bike if you can't dust off your buddies.
Doesn't matter what you buy, there's always something faster. In the old days, I built 396/427/454 Vettes. Nothing on two wheels ever came close. Now there are V8 bikes, and while their brute force acceleration is really intense, they won't keep up with even a stock factory Vette (or V8 Mustang) on the corners. The point is, the Rocket III is more than powerful enough and quick enough for most folks buying a touring bike. If you want more, and modding the Rocket isn't a consideration, it might be useful to consider a cage. Man, I used to love seeing the frustration on the faces of HD riders in my rearview mirror! 
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Why have a 2300 cc bike if you can't dust off your buddies.
The Rocket III Tourer has been given the dreaded "Retuning for Torque"  .
The standard RIII still has full power and is faster.
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Why have a 2300 cc bike if you can't dust off your buddies.
Doesn't matter what you buy, there's always something faster. In the old days, I built 396/427/454 Vettes. Nothing on two wheels ever came close. Now there are V8 bikes, and while their brute force acceleration is really intense, they won't keep up with even a stock factory Vette (or V8 Mustang) on the corners. The point is, the Rocket III is more than powerful enough and quick enough for most folks buying a touring bike. If you want more, and modding the Rocket isn't a consideration, it might be useful to consider a cage. Man, I used to love seeing the frustration on the faces of HD riders in my rearview mirror!
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Darn good point there, Jack!!! 
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Why have a 2300 cc bike if you can't dust off your buddies.
The Rocket III Tourer has been given the dreaded "Retuning for Torque" .
The standard RIII still has full power and is faster.
And Brian...sorry, but I don't see the problem with "Retuning for Torque"???
Torque is basically what is most important in a "street" motorcycle, isn't it?! Whereas H/P is only "important" on the racetrack or at ultra-high speeds.
And so, where is anyone really gonna "cruise along" on their R3T at, say, 140 MPH, and wish to themselves, "Gee, if only this baby had that 142 H/P available to me like on the standard Rocket right now so I can get up to 170!"???
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aint to many people around that could hold on to that bike(RIII) over about 140mph. to lay down on a busa and do 170 is one thing but to sit upright on a cruiser and get over 130/140 is almost impossible for the average guy.
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You got THAT right, newt!!!
In FACT, there's only ONE GUY that I can think of who could do all THAT!!!!
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Plus being the ugliest bike Triumph makes.
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Well, I honestly think the R3T is pretty good improvement in that regard over the standard R3, Dick. A rather big improvement, actually. But then again, while the twin headlight arrangement on the Speed Triple took some time for me to get to like, I've always thought it never really looked right at all on the monster bike, as those tiny headlights make the front of it look "out of proportion" to the rest of it. And I like the exhaust system and the new more symetrical gas tank on the tourer version much better also. (BTW...maybe we better watch it here before one of our crack moderators deems this thread about Cycle World and it's bagger comparo in it as being worthy of being moved to the "Other Bike" forum, huh?!) 
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And BTW...Whoever said above that Peter Egan is the BEST writer in moto-journalism today.... ...YOU'RE RIGHT!!!
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I prefer the Rocket III classic, even tacking on a few grand worth of Corbin goodies. It's still plenty ugly and doesn't look like a harley bagger knockoff.
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Well John, according to that article in Cycle World, whereas the Classic holds 6.3 gallons of gas, the Tourer's gastank only holds 4.9 gallons, so maybe IT IS a good thing that you like the Classic model a little better then, huh dude?!  (sorry John, but ya know this stuff just sort'a writes itself sometimes!!!) 
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I am very well aware of that Bill but the Triumph mag was mentioned and that is was an advertisement. I haven't even gotten the ad rag. I used to get Cycle World at one time.
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anybody else get this issue of Triumph?? that mag is getting better, i just started reading it and it is of course an ad mag for Triumph but they are starting to include people and places and events and things got to admit its getting better, its getting better all the time
Oh.
I guess so.
I forgot Triumph had a mag
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However, I really liked reading that article about that Irving Vincent race bike! Is that a thing of beauty or what?!
This is their second mention in a major mag and yes, that thing is indeed a lovely piece of work. It's a powerful shame that it will be such a limited run of machines but with Berrnard Li's untimely demise it seems the only Vincents we'll see in our lifetimes will either be very old or handmade one-ofs.
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Don't know why I bother to sign up for the Triumph mag, I haven't gotten one in a year.
Certainly some distribution problems. I have received two in a week. I guess that is due to the two Trumps in my garage, but I could have lived with one. I do agree that the content is improving.
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And Brian...sorry, but I don't see the problem with "Retuning for Torque"???
Dwight, I think you just like giving me a hard time.
Go back and read all the tests of the original RIII.
Ask everyone you know who rode one.
None of them will say, "The Rocket III is a nice bike, but it's lacking in torque. The bottom end and mid-range is flat, only opening up at the top end."
Now why is it that you won't find the above description in any test or hear it from any tester?
Because....
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Did it right the first time!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You know how every time you work on your bike it seems there is one nut, screw, or bolt that is stubborn and uncooperative, is determined to cross-thread, strip, roll under your workbench, and generally cause you headaches?
I'm thinking of calling that fastener a Dwight. 
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Man, maybe I missed something but the CW review gave the R3 12 more HP and 30 more ft/lbs of torque over the Victory plus a higher end speed in the 1/4 mile and it just flat out walloped the HD in every category. That doesn't sound like retuning for torque was detrimental.
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Yes, it's still better than the competition.
But it's second best.
Even if it's being beat by it's brother.
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I guess it comes down to weight (as always). The R3T weighs 866 lbs, the Victory a comparatively svelte 746. That's a pretty big difference and disapointing to me given the motor size edge. In the test, the Vulcan, Honda and Suzuki each edge the R3T in the quarter-mile. Motorcyclist tested a R3 against the aging V-Max and the R3 did the 1/4 mile in 11.3 at 119.9 mph. That'a a pretty big improvement vs. the R3T, in my opinion. http://www.motorcyclistonline.com/roadtests/performance_cruiser_comparison/index.htmlLike I said riding (as indicated by the article results) is a whole different ballgame, I just can't seem to be able to locate a test bike anywhere in my travels around the Mid-Atlantic area. Quote:
Man, maybe I missed something but the CW review gave the R3 12 more HP and 30 more ft/lbs of torque over the Victory plus a higher end speed in the 1/4 mile and it just flat out walloped the HD in every category. That doesn't sound like retuning for torque was detrimental.
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Don't know why I bother to sign up for the Triumph mag, I haven't gotten one in a year.
Certainly some distribution problems. I have received two in a week. I guess that is due to the two Trumps in my garage, but I could have lived with one. I do agree that the content is improving.
Funny thing is we should be getting 2 as well since Wendys bike is registered too but we got nothing.
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Yes, it's still better than the competition.
But it's second best.
Even if it's being beat by it's brother.
I get your point but I still think a touring bike is better off with more torque since you expect it to be carrying a larger load; tune the bike to its purpose, not to scramble against every Hayabusa on the road...
And, Al, losing by .05 sec and weighing so much more isn't really a bad thing is it? I mean, .05 sec. is well inside the difference in reaction times among riders.
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And Brian...sorry, but I don't see the problem with "Retuning for Torque"???
Dwight, I think you just like giving me a hard time.
Well, don't take it so personally there, Brian ol' boy!
If you've been payin' any attention at all, then you'll know that I give EVERYBODY a hard time 'round here, my friend.
(...especially when they're "wrong") 
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Go back and read all the tests of the original RIII.
Ask everyone you know who rode one....
...which I have...ridden, that is...
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...None of them will say, "The Rocket III is a nice bike, but it's lacking in torque. The bottom end and mid-range is flat, only opening up at the top end."
Never implied that. Basically my point was: How much power(horsepower, that is) does one really need, especially in a "touring-type" motorcycle???
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Now why is it that you won't find the above description in any test or hear it from any tester?
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Did it right the first time!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
EXCEPT for that "unfortunate" little matter of a TOO FAT rear tire on the "original", for IF you recall, Mr.Egan(the writer of this comparo) especially points to that as why HE wasn't especially looking forward to riding the R3T because he remembered how the wider rear tire on the original R3 made the bike "plow" through turns, BUT was impressed with how the narrower rear tire made the touring version handle MUCH better.
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You know how every time you work on your bike it seems there is one nut, screw, or bolt that is stubborn and uncooperative, is determined to cross-thread, strip, roll under your workbench, and generally cause you headaches?
I'm thinking of calling that fastener a Dwight.
Why, thank you! I like that!!! I'd be honored to have my name live on in perpituity once I shed this mortal coil of mine!!!
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Yes, it's still better than the competition.
But it's second best.
Even if it's being beat by it's brother.
I get your point but I still think a touring bike is better off with more torque since you expect it to be carrying a larger load; tune the bike to its purpose, not to scramble against every Hayabusa on the road...
And, Al, losing by .05 sec and weighing so much more isn't really a bad thing is it? I mean, .05 sec. is well inside the difference in reaction times among riders.
Hey ED!!! As you've seen, I'VE ALREADY got dibs on the name of those certain nuts and bolts on Brian's bike here!!!!
(but keep rattlin' his cage like this, and maybe he'll find another part of his bike to name after YOU!!!) 
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Only a seat-of-the-pants test ride would tell for sure and they just don't seem to be available. But, given that displacement increase I would have guessed it would have easily been the quickest bike of the group, not mid-pack. Still a quick bike, but no monster like the original. Has anyone tuned the touring model for better results? (Tune-Boy, etc.?) Might be an electronics module/software download and some pipes from fantastic Quote:
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Yes, it's still better than the competition.
But it's second best.
Even if it's being beat by it's brother.
I get your point but I still think a touring bike is better off with more torque since you expect it to be carrying a larger load; tune the bike to its purpose, not to scramble against every Hayabusa on the road...
And, Al, losing by .05 sec and weighing so much more isn't really a bad thing is it? I mean, .05 sec. is well inside the difference in reaction times among riders.
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Well, don't take it so personally there, Brian ol' boy!
It's okay Dwight, I understand. It's an intrinsic quality, water's wet, fire's hot, and you enjoy being a Glitch.
When I said "got it right the first time", I was referring to the power. There is more than one thing I don't like about the RIII, like the styling (which includes that rear tire), the weight, no reverse(if they don't lose the weight), and the price. But power is always good. More is better, unless the chassis can't take it.
This retuning for torque business is just one of those things that always ticks me off.
They take an engine that was, by all reports, great, and modify it to fix a problem that nobody complained about in the first place.
Unless you're targeting a bike for newbies, I don't see the point.
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This retuning for torque business is just one of those things that always ticks me off.
Well Brian, with the risk of sounding like a "Glitch" again......evidently so!!!
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They take an engine that was, by all reports, great, and modify it to fix a problem that nobody complained about in the first place.
Look! This "Glitch here" knows exactly what you mean. AND, I know the perfect example to express this "tick off-ness" of yours.
Remember a few years back when Yamaha took the V-Max motor and put it in their Royal Star(both the cruiser and the touring model) but THEN de-tuned it sooooooooo friggin' badly that it had almost no guts to it at all????
Now THERE'S an example of what you speak, RIGHT?!
BUT...I've heard nothing even CLOSE to this same lament when it's come to the R3T!!! JUST a little grumblings about the IDEA that they've de-tuned the R3T's H/P, but NOT in MOST of the REAL WORLD conditions that the moto-journals AND the owners of them have mentioned about this issue.
And sooooooo....I'm saying that in the case of THIS particular motorcycle, I feel it's mostly an "EGO thing", more than it is a, once again, REAL WORLD APLICATION thing.
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Unless you're targeting a bike for newbies, I don't see the point.
And my feelings about THAT is that NO "Newbie" with a lick of sense should EVER purchase ANY motorcycle over about, say, 700cc in displacement, because...well...they're usually not experienced enough to be READY to handle a big ol' motorcycle over, say, 700ccs in displacement.
(and...this is your "Glitch" signing off for now, folks)
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And my felings about THAT is that NO "Newbie" with a lick of sense should EVER purchase ANY motorcycle over about 700cc in displacement, because...well...they're usually not experienced enough to be READY to handle a big ol' motorcycle over, say, 700ccs in displacement.
I agree with your 'felings' about newbie bikes.
The two bikes that come to mind that were sucessfully "newbieated" are a pair of Kwaks, the Eliminator 250 and the Vulcan 500.
And, if you've noticed, I can be kind of "Glitchy" myself.
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Re: Cycle World mag.
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Worn Saddle
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Worn Saddle
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Ah, Dwight, I was really referring to my recent trip to the dark side upon obtaining a 1995 Evo powered HD. I find myself riding it more often that the America precisely because of the awesome torque. Both bikes have similar horsepower ratings at around 60HP (and this FXDS handles very similarly as well) but I find myself agreeing with Bronko's Speed Shop (and ignoring the vibration): Quote:
*HORSEPOWER VS TORQUE*
Don't be misled by the constant emphasis placed on peak hp numbers at maximum rpm. This is not where most of your typical riding is done. Be more concerned with peak torque numbers and the rpm where maximum torque is produced. We are more concerned with the "area under the graph" after a dyno run to see how a bike is performing in real world riding conditions. Torque is what makes a bike fun to ride (not revving to 6500 rpm every shift for maximum hp). Remember: horsepower is an illusionary mathematical equation - torque is real and is everything that is good in the universe!"
A positive attitude may not solve all your problems, but it will annoy enough people to make it worth the effort. Herm Albright (1876 - 1944)
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Re: Cycle World mag.
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Joined: Jan 2005
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Bar Shake
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Bar Shake
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Never implied that. Basically my point was: How much power(horsepower, that is) does one really need, especially in a "touring-type" motorcycle???
Excellent point there Cross-Thread .
In fact, at the end of the article Peter Egan said (well, strongly implied) that if Moto Guzzi had a better dealer network the California Vintage would have been his first choice.
All about how well it suits it's intended purpose.
Contra todo mal, mezcal; contra todo bien, también
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Joined: Feb 2005
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Fe Butt
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Fe Butt
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And, if you've noticed, I can be kind of "Glitchy" myself.
Ya know Brian...I've always especially liked people who have the capacity to "embrace their Inner Glitch", Bro!!!
(ain't it too bad that MORE of those, who I feel, too serious-minded folks out there seem to lack that capacity a lot o' the time?!)
Yep! Just like a good Single Malt Scotch, you might call me "an acquired taste" TOO.(among the many OTHER things you may care to call me, of course)
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Re: Cycle World mag.
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Joined: Feb 2005
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Fe Butt
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Fe Butt
Joined: Feb 2005
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Ah, Dwight, I was really referring to my recent trip to the dark side upon obtaining a 1995 Evo powered HD. I find myself riding it more often that the America precisely because of the awesome torque. Both bikes have similar horsepower ratings at around 60HP (and this FXDS handles very similarly as well) but I find myself agreeing with Bronko's Speed Shop (and ignoring the vibration):
Quote:
*HORSEPOWER VS TORQUE*
Don't be misled by the constant emphasis placed on peak hp numbers at maximum rpm. This is not where most of your typical riding is done. Be more concerned with peak torque numbers and the rpm where maximum torque is produced. We are more concerned with the "area under the graph" after a dyno run to see how a bike is performing in real world riding conditions. Torque is what makes a bike fun to ride (not revving to 6500 rpm every shift for maximum hp). Remember: horsepower is an illusionary mathematical equation - torque is real and is everything that is good in the universe!"
Yep Ed. Pretty much what I was sayin' above, right?!
In REAL WORLD application(read: street riding), TORQUE is "where it's at"!!!
Yep! Just like a good Single Malt Scotch, you might call me "an acquired taste" TOO.(among the many OTHER things you may care to call me, of course)
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