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#280717 07/21/2008 3:22 PM
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So I finally got around to changing out my fishtail pipes with another set of fishtail pipes. The old ones were starting to look pretty haggard and I wanted to play with the baffles a bit.

Trying to play with baffles with these pipes are kind of tricky because there is that huge hollow area in the middle (maybe 3" around) that tapers to the standard 1 3/4 at each end and of course the fishtail at the back end. In the back end of the pipe there is a machine pressed in and spot welded in baffle that is pretty much worthless since it is basically just a thin walled pipe with holes drilled in and a solid cap at the end, which is next to impossible to get out (I actually have a spare pipe that I spent hours on grinding and shoving and still haven't been able to get it to budge).



In the old set, I had added a baffle to the front of the pipe and it was mostly sticking into the header. This time I put the baffle into the rear of the pipe. I bought just some generic 8" baffles with the fiberglass wrap. In order to get the baffle to fit into the stock baffle, I had to cut one end off the baffle.



The sound result is very different from the way that I had it before. They definitely have a more thumpier and growlier sound to them. Because the sound is different, it is tough for me to say if it is quieter, louder or the same volume. I think I have gotten rid of the tinny thump sound at around 4500 rpm.

The jury is still out on how I like them. Tomorrow I am riding up to Seattle. It'll be about 3 1/2 hours each way. That'll be the true test.

If I could what I would like to do is be able to figure out a way to get rid of that stock baffle and weld together three baffles and run it down the entire pipe. That way it could be supported on both ends and deaden the hollow sound quite a bit.

I am wondering, is there any better baffle packing than just that yellow insulation like fiberglass that came with the baffles?

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Soren #280718 07/22/2008 10:09 PM
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The jury is in. They hate it. its like listing to a machine gun the way the hollow area resonates every firing of the motor. It was driving me nuts after about half an hour this morning and now I have a bad headace from the pounding for 184 miles each way. Time to come up with a new plan. I've got something in mind, but I am not sure.

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Soren #280719 07/23/2008 7:19 AM
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I'm looking for some mighty long fishtails to go out beyond some hard bags, I believe around 60"? (Or was it 50"? can't remember)

Any links to sources? I haven't had much luck finding any.

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Bucky #280720 07/23/2008 8:38 AM
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The ones I have are 36". They are the longest ones I have been able to find. You would need to get some extension pipes to go in between. Where to get extension pipes, is another story; I have no idea.

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Here is the new idea...

Since it is next to impossible to remove the stock pressed-in and welded-in baffle. I am going to attempt to make a super baffle and attach it to the stock baffle.

I will take two or three (I still need to measure the distance from the end cap of the built in baffle to the front of the pipe) baffles and weld them together. On one end of the super baffle I will weld a washer with a bolt sticking through it. I'll still wrap the entire thing with fiberglass baffle wrap. Then I will drill a hole in the end cap of the built in baffle and bolt it in place. This should force the airflow to have to go to the out sides of the baffle and then exit through the holes in the built in baffle. I am hoping that I will still have a solid sound, but will be a deadend sound without any harsh thumping like a machine gun.



I wish I was an accoustics engineer so I could predict the sound.

It's going to take me a couple weeks to get around to doing it, since I need to order some more baffles. I dont have access to a welder, so I am going to take them over to a muffler shop and see if they can do the welding for me.

Somone mentioned to me that you can get ceramic cloth baffle wrap. Does anyone know anything about that?

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Soren #280722 07/25/2008 7:24 AM
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not a bad idea at that Soren
i have a pair of cocktail shakers and having the problems with the noise 1 carnt call it a note
i used a lenth of exhaust pipe that fitted inside the muffler all the way to the header put a reducing cone at the header end at the other end i fitted a washer on the locating bolt for the original baffle i was amazed at how quiet it sounded and lost the tinny sound which comes from thin walled mufflers

something along the lines of this a good article on this web site about making baffles
http://www.nightrider.com/biketech/exhaust.htm

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islandbum #280723 07/25/2008 10:50 AM
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ceramic or fiberglass?


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Tony_From_Boston #280724 07/25/2008 1:24 PM
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Brendan,

Do you have more info on that reducing cone? I have never heard of one.

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to get the reduceing cone i chopped up a set of standed Triumph mufflers i know some people have no respect


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islandbum #280726 07/27/2008 2:03 PM
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Listening to a 50 cal. machine gun has gotten tiring, so while I am waiting on my order of new baffles to arrive, I have taken drastic measures. I have packed the mufflers with about half a pack of #3 steel wool. I am not sure how long it'll last, and I'll pull out whatever is left when I get around to building my super baffle, but my bike how now gone to other extreme (almost). It isnt dead silent but, it is quiet. I'll have to get around some other bikes to compare.

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Soren #280727 07/28/2008 9:21 PM
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After comuting today, I am hoping that the steel wool holds up for a while. It is nice, much easier to ride without all the pounding. My bike definitely isnt quiet, I am going to say that it is a touch louder than TORs, with a good sound.

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