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Always said I'd never join a club as I just wanna have fun and ride my bike. This week, I was missing the companionship of other riders and really feeling like I should join a local group. I got in touch with a guy who is President of a local club called the Wraithes MC. Really friendly, helpful chap. All good so far. Yesterday, I was invited as a 'Hangabout'to meet some of his members. Went to a pub where the Thames Valley Coalition where having their monthly meet. It's a great idea where reps from all the clubs in the region meet to keep things peaceful and help each other out with events etc. A lot of very friendly people there and I really began to enjoy myself. On the ride home, we pulled over for a fag (thats a cigarette my America friends). Turns out he told me I could join them as a Hangaround with a view to becoming a Prospect. I was asked to go to the local Hells Angels club house this weekend to meet them all and have a party as all the local clubs were going over. Alarm Bells! Then he told me that the local HA guy had taken a dislike to my jacket and I shouldn't wear it anymore. For those of you who haven't met me, my Jacket is an Icon Crest, Black and white flames and skulls. Don't know is it's cos the colour scheme is outlaw or that the design on the back looks a little bit like colours. So I'm back to square one, having told them that nobody, not even my mum can tell me what I can and can't wear. I do want to belong to a clubfor rideouts etc, but (no disrespect intended)  don't want to have anything to do with the Angels. Just not my thing. I'm fairly law abiding (traffic laws excepted) Don't do drugs (Alcohol and the odd joint excepted) Can't fight for toffee and generally rely on my wits to get out of trouble, or just get thumped. I like anyone instantly who rides any bike until they show they're not worth liking. So I guess I'll have to keep riding alone. It's such a shame, surely there must be a group of riders out there somewhere who don't have to look up to another group and try to be like them instead of just enjoying life and bikes. I'd even try the RAT but they seem to be very sports bike focused. Perhaps I'm just not a proper Biker????? 
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Dang Pony! That's some crazy ****!!!
I too am a lone rider and sometime miss riding with a group of friends. But, There's no way I'd get mixed up in something like that. I figure any group that you have to be initiated into isn't worth the initiation.
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"Lighten up, Francis."
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When I started reading your post I immediately wondered if they were a "support club" for any of the outlaw motorcycle clubs. You don't want to associate with them. I have some friends that were in the Hermanos, which is a support club for the Banditos (arch-nemesis of the He||'s Angels), and they got wrapped up in some legal hassles just by associating with the Banditos. They didn't end up doing time but it was messy for a while. And all they did was go for a little ride one day.
I'm sure you can find a simple riding club that isn't associated with those outlaw asshats. Personally I prefer it lone wolf style...
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Perhaps we could be a little more organised, get the right permissions and have our own little MCC? Worldwide, just fer ridin'n'drinkin, rallies'n'fun. Ray for UK Pres!!! 
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There are a few groups I know of that just ride but even those guys have to get permission from HA and the like to wear colors with the top banner center patch and bottom rocker. Around here Wheels of Freedom wear colors but are just about POW MIA support and don't get hassled or hassle anyone. Some of the guys I know from that group went and got mixed up with The Black Pistons a support group for the Outlaws. Haven't heard of any trouble yet.
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I figure any group that you have to be initiated into isn't worth the initiation.
I agree with the original poster not wanting to change his style just because of some guy in a local club not liking his jacket. That's his priority and I would do the same. However, that's the reality of MC clubs, and probably not worth the hassles it would cause to go against the grain.
I disagree, however, that clubs requiring initiation aren't worth belonging to. I have been involved with Guerreros MC Guadalajara here in Mexico for about a year and a half now and just recently became a full patch member. It was a proud day for me and a rite of passage of sorts.
Our colors consist of a top rocker, centre patch and bottom rocker like many clubs. The biker mentality here in Mexico is more one of brotherhood and the love of riding more than one of territorial acquisition (a task more than taken care of by the narcotraficantes of this country) and I have had no trouble wherever I ride.
I would, however, think twice about riding in Canada or the USA wearing my patch.
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As an addendum to my little story, the reason they ran into trouble is that the little ride with the Banditos was an errand to strip non-approved patches from a guy in another club. Guns, assault, kidnapping, police roadblocks... good times.
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take alook at the dgaf (dont give a feck) website.motto. who cares who wins no rules no worries
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aahh shucks Simon I'll ride with you bro  I tend to ride a great deal on my own, one reason you can pick and choose where to go and at what speed, you have no need to keep up with everyone else and I can stop and have a fag(Cigarette to our friends in the US). Adey and I used to do a little riding and he would pop up here or me down to his neck of the woods, last time we met at Southport had a natter and a brew and something to eat in a cafe and then parted our ways. Always nice to keep in touch as well as at rallies etc.. Last year organised a BBQ and was amazed at how many turned up for a ride out (English Lakes) and the BBQ...
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My brother and I are looking to start our own club. No patches, no colors, just like minded peeps who like to ride. No matter what you ride. Well no Vespas. We are thinkig about having Tshirts made up. I don't think the HA would be looking to strip my white tshirt would they. Who cares. I haven't seen one of those guys, well ever.
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Well no Vespas
It's 2008, not 1976  
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Well no Vespas
It's 2008, not 1976
True, but they'd never keep up! 
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Then he told me that the local HA guy had taken a dislike to my jacket and I shouldn't wear it anymore.
Put this on your jacket Simon
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Get yourself down to Buxton in September for the UK Rally. You can wear what you want - in point of fact you can wear a pink tutu for all I care (so long as you shave your pits dear boy)! Personally not too keen on badges - only Triumph with a hint of Union Jack and/or Stars and Stripes - makes a loud enough statement me thinks.
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Perhaps we could be a little more organised, get the right permissions and have our own little MCC? Worldwide, just fer ridin'n'drinkin, rallies'n'fun. Ray for UK Pres!!!
We pretty much are and have rallies world wide. Originally the initiation was to kill a live H.O.G., but was vetoed by unanimous decision. The only initiation is get yourself a Speedmaster or America, watch the board and show up to gatherings.
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Ray for UK Pres!!!
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Try TOMCC Simon,i believe Gina and Eric (Kidhauf)are members http://www.tomcc.org/branches.aspand i,m sure they dont give a rats about jackets either Ray ,as incoming pres  ,may i suggest as your back patch ...........2 crossed roll ups under a tea bag
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Pony... If you are in the UK..check out TOMCC Triumph Motor Cycle Club...seem to be a great bunch of folks and are "organized" with apparent events....
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The advantages and disadvantages of belonging to a club come out about even. It sounds like that particular club may turn out to be a serious commitment though, so you will want to give it some serious thought. Hangabout and prospect can be likened to a trial marriage in which either party can decide whether you fit in or not. You might find yourself, as a prospect, spending a lot of time outside guarding the bikes at parties, making beer runs, etc. I remember many times having a full member pounding on the door at all hours of the night and telling me to pack up my kit because we will be going on a run to 'take care of club business'. Many of these runs were 3 to 15 days of hard riding. Of course, as a prospect, I wasn't privy to the business of the club, I was there partly for backup if anything bad happened and partly to test what I was made of. Now, that club might not be like that but, since they seem to be affiliated with the Red and White, there is a good chance. If it's just the companionship and "organized" events (You can tell I have been in a few clubs  ) you'd like, it may be worth your while to look into any RAT packs in your area. Take a look at HOG as well, many of their events are open to other makes.
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Well Simon, if you're askin' here if some of us are more geared to bein' a "lone wolf" or a "club member", well dude, in my case I'd have to say the former! Because in this matter, I've pretty much lived my whole life following the same personal philosophy that this gentleman below was once famous for expressing....  "I would never join any club that would allow a person like me to become a member!" 
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I know one bonifide outlaw biker. I wont mention the club.
I know him from work. found out his affiliation completely by accedent saw him at a bike event wearing colors. At work we talk bikes and meatheads in cars like old buddies. But hes made it quite clear that should I ever see him with his bros. I dont know him, he dont know me. And he asked that I keep my mouth shut at work about it.Which I do.
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Pony please do not do the hangaround / prospect route, the HA have already started laying down rules and thats even before you have put one foot in the door. Firstly your Jacket then what would be next. Have you fully thought out the entire scenario of prospecting what if you do not make it. I have known past prospects of clubs who have been relieved of their motorcycles and some who have had to leave the area entirely. All beacuse they didnt make it. Look very closely at the guys who asked you to become a hangaround / prospect. How long have you known him, usually offers such as this are not made at early meetings they need to get to know you before that kind of offer is made. In motorcycling like any walk of life we have many divisions or social strata. I do not condemn those who make the choice the wear a back patch. I Just feel that it is not a decision that should be entered into lightly as it is a way of life and not a lifestyle. As has been suggested why not try the TOMCC I am in the Glasgow Branch and we have a lot of stuff organised have a look at the web site and see some of the write ups form our club. I think you have the MIghty South London Club who I am sure would be delighted to see you along at one of their club runs meetings. http://www.tomcc.org/gg/
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I must admit i've never really understood the role of the HA (or similar), i had a sheltered upbringing in the Isle of Man. I know there history and origins, but thats it. I sometimes see groups down in my area wearing their colours and patches and i'm always left feeling slightly amused, because they look very cliche, like a 70s movie. I can understand how in the US , givin its size, the HA have control, or apparent control of other smaller groups. I dont understand how this can happen in the UK pony? I think i need it explaining to me.............
My other half used to ride in a group with her ex, and shes always warned me off them, apparently they treat women like crap. No fear for her, leather waistcoats arent my thing.
Whats with needing permission to ride as a group?
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The Hells Angels are organized crime, at an international level.
In the states, they cornered the very lucrative
and tax free western US market in meth production and distribution.
I don't know if they still have that market, but at one time they did.
Each group reports upstream, and like most large corporate entities, they
have a chain of command with goals and quotas to meet.
A huge part of their financial success is believe it or not,
their ability to work as a team, with a true to life "one for all, and all for one."
Another large factor in their success
is that if you f' up, the punishments are severe. There's no
mamby pamby "I'm going to sue you for wrongful discharge" crap to get in their way.
(And yes, they are Incorporated in the states.)
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Yep Pony......try the Tom-Cats (TOMCC)
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There have been some very insightful and mostly dead on points expressed thus far in this thread. I have been on the fringes of a few clubs over the last twenty years, was considered a "hang around" at one point, have many friends who are Patch Holders w/ one club or another, and a couple "brothers" who are Patch Holders. Never took the plunge to go any farther than that, and I am POSITIVE that I am much better off for it. As was stated being a Patch Holder in an MC is not a Lifestyle, it is a way of life.
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Ray ,as incoming pres ,may i suggest as your back patch ...........2 crossed roll ups under a tea bag
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the local HA guy had taken a dislike to my jacket and I shouldn't wear it anymore.
Face it Simon, he's got a valid point, I don't like your jacket much either mate! 
Only joking!
Sorry to hear about all that.
I must admit I don't go too much on having to conform to what other people want. I have to kiss more than my fair share of ****** at work each day and don't particulary wish to do so on my days off.
If your of out any time let us know and I'll come and join you out on the road (work and wife permitting)- after all I'm not too far up the road.
You can even wear your jacket as well - that way any outraged angels are going to chase you first and leave me well out of it.
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Wait a minute here! Did somebody say "colors"???
Hey! I like "colors"! What kind'a "colors" are we talkin' about here! Real pretty colors, maybe?!
Wow!
And when you're not ridin' around, you "get to" wear these "colors" at the "clubhouse" TOO, right?!
Wow!
And when when you're at this "clubhouse" I'll bet the folks probably sit around and have great discussions and pose questions to each other like...
"With modern metalurgy practices, do you think there's still a need for Ducati to keep putting Desmodromic valve actuation in their machines?"
or maybe something like...
"Hey, fellow "club members". Have you ever wondered why Harley didn't initiate the sale of that flattrack inspired XR1200 in the United States, where flattrack racing really was king back in the day?
OR maybe even something like...
"Considering the fact that the economy seems to be flattening out, do you guys think motorcycle sales will also follow this same downward path?"
WHAT?! NO?! That would probably not happen?!
REALLY???!!!
You mean the conversations around the "clubhouse" would probably mostly turn to topics like, "Do ya think Mongo and his old lady should finally get a divorce after that last fight o' theirs?"
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"What kind'a time do ya think Scar will get after that last Meth/DUI(take your pick) bust o' his?"
Well, THAT'S a real shame!!!
In that case, I guess I'll just have to pass on this whole "colors" thing! Sorry.
(and here this whole "colors" thing sounded like sooooo much friggin' "fun" there for a while too, doggone it!!!)
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Wait a minute here! Did somebody say "colors"???
Hey! I like "colors"! What kind'a "colors" are we talkin' about here! Real pretty colors, maybe?!
Wow!
And when you're not ridin' around, you "get to" wear these "colors" at the "clubhouse" TOO, right?!
Wow!
And when when you're at this "clubhouse" I'll bet the folks probably sit around and have great discussions and pose questions to each other like...
"With modern metalurgy practices, do you think there's still a need for Ducati to keep putting Desmodromic valve actuation in their machines?"
or maybe something like...
"Hey, fellow "club members". Have you ever wondered why Harley didn't initiate the sale of that flattrack inspired XR1200 in the United States, where flattrack racing really was king back in the day?
OR maybe even something like...
"Considering the fact that the economy seems to be flattening out, do you guys think motorcycle sales will also follow this same downward path?"
WHAT?! NO?! That would probably not happen?!
REALLY???!!!
You mean the conversations around the "clubhouse" would probably mostly turn to topics like, "Do ya think Mongo and his old lady should finally get a divorce after that last fight o' theirs?"
or
"What kind'a time do ya think Scar will get after that last Meth/DUI(take your pick) bust o' his?"
Well, THAT'S a real shame!!!
In that case, I guess I'll just have to pass on this whole "colors" thing! Sorry.
(and here this whole "colors" thing sounded like sooooo much friggin' "fun" there for a while too, doggone it!!!)
Gee i thought this was gonna be another English lesson.
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Gee i thought this was gonna be another English lesson.
Yeah. Sorry about the "lesson" the other day, Jack.
(but I think you know where I was REALLY directing that "lesson" out there to, right?!)
Yep! Just like a good Single Malt Scotch, you might call me "an acquired taste" TOO.(among the many OTHER things you may care to call me, of course)
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there are a few "clubs" here that i know of.. I try not to get involved with it at all. But saying that I will do work on a club members bike, afterall money is money.. But I dont want my shop turning into a "club hangout".. Most of these guys are pretty good people one on one, but in the "pack" state of mind, the weekend bad ****** starts to come out..
As far as me being in a club? Aint no way I would tie my butt down to that.. I have a hard enough time putting everything i need to do into the day, much less give up time for a club.. Even if i had free time I still would not do it.. Most want you to wear a vest.. I like ridding in shorts and a t-shirt!
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There are clubs that are more "club" than "gang". I checked into 2 near me. New London Motor Cylce Club and Connecticut BIA. NLMC are a nice friendly all bikes bunch, I would have been welcomed to join but 99% heavy cruisers would have felt out of place there. BIA good bucnh also but 99% Vintage British bikes.Of course neither play the hangaround/prospect
we own you game.
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You can belong to a legitimate rider club without the nonsense of being initiated into a gang.
Generally I prefer to ride with the wife but there's something to be said for riding with good friends.
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HA is holding some sort of major summer ralleye the first weekend of August in Missoula. Guess they expect 4-500 "members". The older I get the more adult behaviour in groups ranging from church councils to 4-H committees to m/c "clubs", reminds me of the grade school playground. "He started it" "No, he started it"  Granted, the stakes are a bit higher.
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Your instincts are strong grasshopper. Follow them and be weary of the dark side. There is too much fun to be had riding moto to get caught up doing a bunch of stuff to belong to a group of questionable repute. Who wants to be told what to do anyway? All the bull just to get into a group like that: hazing, and pledging, etc. And for what, to get a vest that will get you in a fight for no reason other than the fact that you’re wearing it? I'd stay a lone wolf and look for events and rallies to fill the need to ride with others, if that’s your only option. Take some of your friends to a Triumph dealer and get them to buy bikes and start your own club!
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We've been riding with an RC club for 3 years now. They started the club back in the early 80s when the Hog chapters starting doing a bunch more stuff than just riding. Usually there's at least 1 ride per month. We just happened to fall into it. One of my wife's friend's father's started the club. Anyway, there are good ones out there, you just have to look. And as much as I enjoy riding by myself, its fun to ride in a pack full of good riders.
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Re: Lone Wolf or Club?
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Joined: Mar 2008
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Adjunct
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Joined: Mar 2008
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Thanks to all who chipped in. I'm going over to meet the TOMCC on thursday to see what they're all about. Bumped in to some of them today and Yep, I would probably be their youngest member. I'm also going to go over to the local RAT and MAG meets. For now it looks like I'll be stayin a Lone Wolf though.
The path of excess leads to the Palace of Wisdom
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Re: Lone Wolf or Club?
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Joined: Dec 2005
Posts: 1,074
Learned Hand
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Learned Hand
Joined: Dec 2005
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I've got a lot of Friends that went the "Outlaw" clubs route.
Several are now doing major time in the Joint just for being
associates!!
I ride with ABATE of Ohio Inc.
Or I ride with friends,
or I ride alone.
But you'll never catch me wearing "colors".
And yes Dwight,
you are pretty spot on about club discussions!!
And that's on a good day!!
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