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In the state of Oregon 10% ethonal in gas is the law.

I once used 87 oct. bike should have 89 oct. now I use 92 oct. just to even things up.

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Soren or other Oregon peeps...

may I have fries with that!
Scott

Been noticing more and more pumps here in PA with 10% ethanol stickers on them.

When I first saw the title of this post my immediate reaction was you should chew your food better...

But since all the corn is going to ethanol production, it's now too expensive to buy as a food....

The dumb thing is, we're supposed to get on the corn as ethanol bandwagon as a way to oil independance. But I have seen a couple of mentions by science talking heads that the effort is moot. It takes gas to move the combines, get the corn to the ethanol plant, and then process it in the plant. Savings of oil is break even. but I suppose that it helps the farmer, which I have nothing against. But if the side product is higer food prices, the practice has little value, except as fodder for politicians to feed the sheep like masses.

I think these guys have a better idea.
http://www.brasschecktv.com/page/359.html

The sad part is that other crops are being displaced as corn takes on a new value. All livestock eats corn. Brilliant. Just fabulously brilliant, this ethanol ruse. Charlie Crist, is mandating all Florida pumps have 10% corn by a set date, has shut down sugar cane production, and is a nothing more than a media strumpet.
I still can find good ole hydrocarbon fuel. I prefers do drink my grain alcohol and burn decayed dinosaurs as fuel in my motorsickles.

It's been like that for a while in wisconsin too but you always could find a station around with 100% gas but now with the recent price spike the places with 100% charge a dime more where it was the same price before. Another problem is the fairly new processing plant north of me has been cited by the EPA for hundreds of violations regarding air, (particulant) and ground discharge. You would think that with the present food shortages they would quit building these facilities.That's free enterprise for you.

mike

So then maybe it is best for the motor to stick with 87 octane?

Soren

OOOHHHH ....in your GAS, I thought...never mind.

Back when they tried to pass this off as "oxygenated" fuel that is "good for the environment", I had a '91 fuel injected Jeep. Gas consumption on my carburetted vehicles stayed about the same, but the Jeep dropped some 8 - 12% because the extra oxygen fooled the injection controller into thinking it was running too lean.
As for increasing food prices, there just isn't enough food in food to make much of a difference. A $4.29 box of cornflakes contains about 10 cents worth of corn, so a 20% increase in corn prices would drive the price up to a whole $4.31.
On the bright side, if they keep throwing up 'gasahol' and 'biofuel' plants, maybe some of the commodity traders will hop over to corn and soybean futures and oil will drop to the $35 - $40 a barrel range where it should be.
If nothing else, the down south bootleggers now have a legitimate business to go into and, when corn and soybean prices go up, there will be an incentive to find other cheaper oil alternatives. After all, with the Allies bombing the snot out of the Ploeste oil fields and the Russians managing to keep them out of theirs, the Germans were able to make synthetic fuel and lubricants in greater quantities than were used in the making.

I thought our manual said we are supposed to use 89 octane?

So to sum up: Gas with Ethanol bad for Bonnie-real gas, good. Tarzan say... Boy good, Cheetah bad.

corn, french fries, algae o my!

I guess I'll drop down to 89oct.

I'll also Lay on the tank, lose 15#, and hope for a tail wind.


Hello black beans and mushrooms.(tail wind fuel)

Scott

But the land used to grow people corn is being planted with field corn. Around here, anyway.

Supply goes down, price goes up.

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A major by-product of ethanol production is called distillers grain. Distillers grain is fed to livestock and is actually more digestible than field corn. So, the corn is still used a livestock feed, not consumed in the distillation process.

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Thanks for that information Larry. Always good to learn something.
The only corn we see around here is in cans or the produce section .

O' course, that's why I think solar is a good choice. We have lots o" that stuff

And wind

The only corn we see around here is in cans or the produce section .

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Actually, you might be surprised to see how often you consume corn even when you aren't aware of it. Start reading labels and see how many corn byproducts are being used in any number of different food items. For example, HFC (High Fructose Corn syrup) has been used since the 80's in soft drinks in place of cane sugar as a primary sweetener.

We are becoming a one crop country. Yes, I'm aware of other crops out there, but none have been as heavily subsidized by our beloved lawmakers as corn.

Chew on this:
Friday, July 04 2008 @ 07:55 AM Central Daylight Time
CAIRO — Contradicting US claims, a confidential World Bank report said that biofuels have caused global food prices to skyrocket by 75 percent, reported the Guardian on Friday, July 4.

"Without the increase in biofuels, global wheat and maize stocks would not have declined appreciably and price increases due to other factors would have been moderate," the report said.

Biofuel, also called agrofuel, is the fuel derived from recently dead biological material, most commonly plants.

The report said the production of biofuels has distorted food markets in three main ways.

It has diverted grain into fuel, said the report, citing that more than one third of US corn is now used to produce ethanol and about half of vegetable oils in the EU going towards the production of biodiesel.

It said the biofuel production has made farmers setting land aside for biofuel production and has sparked financial speculation in grains, driving prices up higher.

The report said that food prices rose by 140 percent between 2002 and February 2008.

Biofuels have been accounted for a 75 percent of the increase, it said.

According to the UN Food and Agriculture Organization's world food index, dairy prices rose nearly 80 percent and grain 42 percent in 2007 alone.

With raging violent protests and fears of social discontent, many countries strained their budgets to maintain huge food subsidies.

Embarrassing

Though the report was drafted in April, it has not been published to avoid embarrassing the Bush administration.

"It would put the World Bank in a political hot-spot with the White House," a senior development source told the Guardian.

Bush has blamed soaring food prices for the high demand from India and China.

But the report ridiculed the claim.

"Rapid income growth in developing countries has not led to large increases in global grain consumption and was not a major factor responsible for the large price increases."

Calls have been mounting for a moratorium on the use of biofuels.

"Political leaders seem intent on suppressing and ignoring the strong evidence that biofuels are a major factor in recent food price rises," said Robert Bailey, policy adviser at Oxfam.

"It is imperative that we have the full picture. While politicians concentrate on keeping industry lobbies happy, people in poor countries cannot afford enough to eat."

The United Nations Special Rapporteur for the Right to Food has described the booming industry of biofuel as a "crime against humanity".

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Political leaders seem intent on suppressing and ignoring the strong evidence

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I...I.....I just can't believe that

Well we just need to go and drill for the oil that is in the ground,our ground,because we are going to get it eventually why not now? we could surely use it.

speaking of fuels anybody have input on T. Boon Pickins new fuel philosophy

Scott

I work in a fleet shop and for years we had cng and propane run pickup trucks. It is possible to do and still generate electricity with wind. the cost of switching over can be expensive but that is why you let larger companies delve into that stuff. Gm made cng trucks for a year in the nineties but due to tank corrosion they bought all the units back.

mike