Bonneville America Forums Forums Off Topic Discussion Forums Lounge Still no US fuel protests

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It's senseless to protest free enterprise and what we're seeing is the simple economic law of supply and demand. A much better approach would be to reduce demand, but then we'd have to reassess our "way of life" and become less excessively wasteful.

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Drill ...drill drill....it wont have an immediate impact thats for sure but its something that needs to be done.

We need to start drilling in all those so called "holy grail" places the "tree huggers" and environmentalist freakazoids find so friggin important to be left alone.

Drill... drill drill and then drill some more.

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Getting scared now, agree with you twice in 1 day and not even 1/2 hr apart!

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It would help if we were not so energy dependent from sources within the greater realm of Camel Jockeydom.

Lets face it those hump riders got us over a barrel.....

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...of oil!

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It would help if we were not so energy dependent from sources within the greater realm of Camel Jockeydom.

Lets face it those hump riders got us over a barrel.

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A deliberate misconception, here's the data from your own Energy Information Administation:


Crude Oil Imports (Top 15 Countries)
(Thousand Barrels per Day)

Country Apr-08 Mar-08
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CANADA 1,952 1,795
SAUDI ARABIA 1,453 1,535 *(guess whose buddies they are)
MEXICO 1,259 1,232
NIGERIA 1,115 1,154
VENEZUELA 1,019 858
IRAQ 679 773 *(guess who controls this country)
ANGOLA 579 384
ALGERIA 393 247
BRAZIL 201 188
KUWAIT 176 199 *(guess whose buddies they are)
ECUADOR 160 231
COLOMBIA 149 135
CHAD 133 101
RUSSIA 106 108
LIBYA 85 75

* = my comments.


source: Energy Information Administration.


Camels in Canada ... methinks not.

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Yeah, that would be great. Then we could all go on long rides looking at forests of oil rigs. I can imagine it now: Sun beaming down, wind in my hair, and miles and miles of oil rigs. Sounds awesome.

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maybe you need to look into profit margins... no one talks about that but hey its not for the media's best interest.

BTW how about starbucks coffee? 53 bucks a gallon, bottled water? 35 bucks a gallon...

why don't we take those profits too while we are at it? like Obama and Hillary suggests...
I tell you why not, because this isn't China or Cuba we aren't a communist country.

Wanna see lower prices? we need to start harvesting our own resources. rant mode off

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maybe you need to look into profit margins... no one talks about that but hey its not for the media's best interest.

BTW how about starbucks coffee? 53 bucks a gallon, bottled water? 35 bucks a gallon...

why don't we take those profits too while we are at it? like Obama and Hillary suggests...
I tell you why not, because this isn't China or Cuba we aren't a communist country.

Wanna see lower prices? we need to start harvesting our own resources. rant mode off

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Sorry, but that's not even a rational argument. There's not a single one of us who won't be able to get to work if we suddenly boycott bottled water and Starbucks coffee. That's just stupidity there, when people pay those prices for that kind of item. But try only showing up to work ever 3rd day to cut back on how much gas you use, or not filling your heating oil tank in the winter and see if that is as easy to pull off...

Eliminate speculation, cut consumption, and invest HEAVILY in alternative fuels. Sorry folks oil is going the way of the dinosaur (since it came by way of the dinosaur!heehee), time to think of the future.

Further, without even going into politics, during World War II, companies had no problem when asked to forego profits or reduce them, without any shouts of Communism! Our Economy is in a major crisis mode now (regardless of what you call it), and the fuel prices are directly impacting every sector of the economy. While it wouldn't be popular with the stockholders, why not ask the oil companies to forego say 2-3% of their profits by reducing the price per gallon. On $40 Billion in profits, 1% would put $400,000,000 back into consumers pockets (add that up with the other oil companies, and it might make a difference) Or put that into a collective fund run by the National Renewable Energies Labs to use toward developing a new alternative or a Hydrogen infrastructure, etc...) The stupid thing about this, is everyone is assuming (and I somehow think some of the oil industry execs think this too) that if we go to some alternative like Hydrogen, that suddenly all of the Oil companies will be obsolete and some other corporate sector will move in an take their place. Well, pardon me, but if I were an oil industry exec, I would break ranks with the others, and start seriously helping with the alternative fuel research, as well as laying longer term plans to be ready to retrofit my stations to handle the new fuel, perhaps with a phased in introduction so that we have both new and old fuels until we have weaned ourselves. These companies have the infrastructure in place already in the form of a service station network. But these companies typically (like Wall Street) don't think about anything long-term, only about how to stuff their wallets this week and screw next week. Some, like BP, are starting to be more forward thinking, and hopefully, for those companies, it pays off to the detraction of those companies who are standing in the way.

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Thanks for calling me stupid. You obviously missed what I was trying to say... oh well.

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No wonder you're confused.
Greg said paying the high prices for unnecessary items; designer coffee, water, etc. was stupid.



The days of cheap petro energy are over.
Deal with it.

If anyone thinks that the oil corporations will lower the price because they have access to more oil, you need to get off the dope.
That's not how the market works.

Best bet? Burn your Hummer. Ride more bikes.

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I'm not defending these other countries nor am I a tree-hugger but if they are sticking it to us so bad then how come ExxonMobil, an American company, posts record profits every year? In 2007 they posted a new annual record of 40.61 billion dollars, that's nearly 1,300 dollars a second. I repeat, 1,300 a second.

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There are a lot of companies that make much higher profits on their investment. Exxon is a huge corporation so of course their total profits are huge. When they lose money, as they have done with a lot less fanfare, their loses are huge too. But, since the US based oil companies are publicly traded corporations the recipients of those profits are people who own stock and mutual funds that invest in them.

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True enough, but I haven't heard of them losing any money lately. There may be a correction in the future (like the housing market), but the pump prices don't seem to reflect the decreases in per barrel price as fast as they do the increases.

A note here:
At current per barrel prices (aprox $135), that's about 3.25 per gallon for crude. About 50% of which becomes gasoline, 15% diesel. Add transportation, refining, overhead, etc..............


What's in a barrel of oil?

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Exxon is a huge corporation so of course their total profits are huge. When they lose money, as they have done with a lot less fanfare, their loses are huge too. But, since the US based oil companies are publicly traded corporations the recipients of those profits are people who own stock and mutual funds that invest in them.

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maybe you need to look into profit margins... no one talks about that but hey its not for the media's best interest.

BTW how about starbucks coffee? 53 bucks a gallon, bottled water? 35 bucks a gallon...

why don't we take those profits too while we are at it? like Obama and Hillary suggests...
I tell you why not, because this isn't China or Cuba we aren't a communist country.

Wanna see lower prices? we need to start harvesting our own resources. rant mode off

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Bottled water is about the biggest and stupidest ripp off out there. But hey its fashionable,,Starbucks a close second. But hey its fashionable.

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this is for SNOWS I wish to appoligize for my use of the word stupid, in my reply here. It was not meant to call you
studpid. It's the concept I was talking about. But they are making money so cant be too stupid can it. so this pics for you.

Now the cropped faces may be still there.and I dont know them so I thought it best to do that.

The uncroped faces one is my son the other is um famous can you guess whick is which? pcitures abouot 6 months old. Been holding back on the posting.

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I'm not defending these other countries nor am I a tree-hugger but if they are sticking it to us so bad then how come ExxonMobil, an American company, posts record profits every year? In 2007 they posted a new annual record of 40.61 billion dollars, that's nearly 1,300 dollars a second. I repeat, 1,300 a second.

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this is for SNOWS I wish to appoligize for my use of the word stupid, in my reply here. It was not meant to call you
studpid. It's the concept I was talking about.

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no need to apologize, sometimes I type faster than I think...
btw that's one cool picture