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DN-01 ... what's THAT all about?!?! 
Well FT, to answer your question here I'm going to mimic Dan Aykroyd in an old "Saturday Night Live" product commercial satire..."It's a floor wax AND a dessert topping!!!"
In other words, this new Honda is...a sportbike AND a cruiser!!!
(AND, I'm surprised to say...I kind'a like it somehow!!!) 
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It's a scooter on steroids and very unfortunatley the future of cruisers. When the nerds grow out of their Honda Metropolitan scooters they'll be getting giant tupperware scooters with cruiser ergonomics complete with automatic transmissions for those sissys that cant figure out how to use a clutch.
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DN-01 ... what's THAT all about?!?
It looks like a restyle of the Pacific Coast.
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That DN-01 is very cool. It's being marketed as a sport tourer which surprises me a bit.
With the price of gasoline going through the roof, Honda is going to sell a boatload of them.
Other motorcycle manufacturers need to get on board with a workable auto transmission to appeal to the masses.
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Ya see Kevin, I tended to agree with you UP TO that that "automatic tranmission" part there.
While you may be correct that this feature might entice a few to venture from their cages and maybe purchase this intriguing lookin' vehicle, I personally do not like the feeling of "free-wheeling" down a road on TWO WHEELS, a la a scooter. To me, being in the proper manual gear which DIRECTLY puts the power of the engine's crankshaft onto the ONE tire's contact patch is a feeling I wouldn't want to give up, as I've always felt much more in control of these two-wheeled machines in this regard. And having to rely solely on your brakes for stopping, instead of also using your engine's torque, is something I've never been that crazy about either.
(but as you said, this kind of bike might bring a few "brave souls" to their nearest Honda dealer who've never been on or even considered owning a motorcycle before)
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Other motorcycle manufacturers need to get on board with a workable auto transmission to appeal to the masses.
That is just complete sacrilege. It's bad enough that it is tough to find a car with a manual tranmission. Where is this world headed?
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 well yes its sacralige but that DN-01 may be just what the DR ordered to get my Mrs on her own 2 wheels. Thats her only reason shes been not wanting to do her own driving.She scared of the clutch. and the egine size would be perfect to start her out on.That could be the market that Honda is going after...the more "girly" scooter types. And yes other manufacturers better get on board with this or Honda will leave them behind again.
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I just went to Hondas US page could not find any mention of the DN-01. I wonder if that means it wont be availble in the US.  Guess they figure Americans only like big and stupid 
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I just went to Hondas US page could not find any mention of the DN-01. I wonder if that means it wont be availble in the US.
Guess they figure Americans only like big and stupid
I forget which magazine, but one of the motorcycle magazines I got in the mail had an article about it. I havent taken the time to read it yet.
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I just went to Hondas US page could not find any mention of the DN-01. I wonder if that means it wont be availble in the US.
Guess they figure Americans only like big and stupid
What was your first clue there Jackson???!!!  
Yep! As you probably know, the Japanese manufacturers in last few decades have had a few very cool machines that were only available in their home market, and sometimes the european market, and that were never imported into the States because they tend to know what will sell here, and what won't.
And speaking of "home markets"(and even though I know this thread is about Honda) but does ANYBODY have a clue as to why H-D doesn't seem to have a clue about THEIR "home market" and why that REALLY COOL XR1200 Sportster(which looks a lot like an XR flattrack racer) is only sold in Europe and the UK, and NOT where flattrack was king...in the good ol' U.S. of A???
(now what's with THAT???!!!)
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well yes its sacralige but that DN-01 may be just what the DR ordered to get my Mrs on her own 2 wheels.
Thats her only reason shes been not wanting to do her own driving.She scared of the clutch. and the egine size would be perfect to start her out on.That could be the market that Honda is going after...the more "girly" scooter types.
And yes other manufacturers better get on board with this or Honda will leave them behind again.
I agree 100%.
And ANOTHER thing, watch the sales on the Spyder "trike". That 3-wheel stability with an auto trans is going to appeal to a LOT of people that never rode a MC before.
Bottom line, the more "riders" we have on the road, the more respect we'll get from cagers.    
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I like the more retro/Traditional look
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I just went to Hondas US page could not find any mention of the DN-01. I wonder if that means it wont be availble in the US.
Guess they figure Americans only like big and stupid
I forget which magazine, but one of the motorcycle magazines I got in the mail had an article about it. I havent taken the time to read it yet.
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Cycle World. I got my copy last week and my wife flipped through the pages and was all over this Honda DN 01. She wants one. So far there are no plans to bring it to the US, but that may change. Hopefully they will bring it here. I think there is a market for it.
Ive stated before and will again for those of you who may have missed my pearls of wisdom. (See, i can be a Dwight when the feeling grabs me ) I believe that the motocycle manufactures are missing out on a huge market by not offering automatic motorcycles. Not everyone want to change gears and mess with clutch levers. My wife being one of them. She knows how to ride and has her license, but in her words, i cant be bothered with all that gear changing. Give me a moped where i just twist and go. And i must admit, i see her point. Manuals gearboxes are not for everyone.
If they bring it, i will buy it. But its not for me you understand, its for the wife.
That sounds like one of those, "I get it for the articles" comments 
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I gonna start a campaign, I'm calling every Honda dealer in the state and asking about DN-01.
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I think its different and ok, but the estimated price is £9000 over here. You can get a Suzuki Bergman executive for £6000, with loaads more storage space.
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I gonna start a campaign, I'm calling every Honda dealer in the state and asking about DN-01.
While you're at it, tell them we want this one too:
http://www.motorcycledaily.com/27september07_honda2008transalp.htm
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I gonna start a campaign, I'm calling every Honda dealer in the state and asking about DN-01.
While you're at it, tell them we want this one too:
http://www.motorcycledaily.com/27september07_honda2008transalp.htm
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DN-01 ... what's THAT all about?!?!
Dn-01 is what happens when a M-109r and a Goldwing have a baby! 
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My wife being one of them. She knows how to ride and has her license, but in her words, i cant be bothered with all that gear changing.
I was thinking about it today as I was driving my car to work this morning (manual trans) and got into some heavy duty psycho freeway traffic (the kind where you have an on-ramp then right away an off-ramp, so you have people staying on the freeway, people getting on and people getting off the freeway all at the same time) and was thinking that I could not imagine that kind of situation with an automatic transmission. Then I started to think about how much I shift the bike in various situations. With an automatic tranny, you are completely at the mercy of what the tranny feels like doing. You can't upshift or downshift when you need it. That whole thought to me appears not only scary, but flat out dangerous.
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From Honda:
An infinitely variable hydraulic mechanical transmission, the HFT realizes the lightweight and compact configuration required for motorcycles. Compared with the V-belt automatic transmission used on scooters, this automatic transmission unit can be stored within the engine crankcase, increasing the level of design freedom in the body layout. The HFT responds to a wide variety of rider demands, from easy-to-operate, comfortable riding to sporty and nimble ride quality with a direct response to accelerator operation, due to the hydraulics and computer control. In addition to two fully automatic shifting modes—D mode to cover ordinary riding and S mode for a sportier riding experience—the HFT features a six-speed manual mode, which allows riding with a manual transmission feel.Moreover, the HFT equips the world's first lockup mechanism for an infinitely variable hydraulic mechanical transmission, contributing to improved fuel economy during cruising.
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With an automatic tranny, you are completely at the mercy of what the tranny feels like doing
Now Soren, Automatic transmissions react to inputs from various sources. They are programmed to respond to these inputs. They don't shift randomly.
And besides, most can be used in a manual mode if desired.
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Again you have to think about who would buy them and what type of riding they would do.
As I said I'd like to get somthing like this for the wife.
So we can take the occational weekend ride without me having to carry her. Or having to worry about her being able to keep up.(I'd probly put her in front anyway).
But being purly selfish I'd like somday to be able to set the America up as a solo ride.
She would not be likly to ride in the type of traffic described above. And I think its safe to save alot of recreational riders avoid that crap also. Frankly I've been known to drive 20 miles out of the way to avoud that kind of stuff. Why deal with it if you dont need to? Dont want an automatic dont buy one. If you want to look down your nose at it and say "Thats not a motorcycle" fine do that too.
I just hope these things make it to the American market.
Dosnt seem likly though called 2 dealers today. Both acted like they never heard of it.
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With an automatic tranny, you are completely at the mercy of what the tranny feels like doing. You can't upshift or downshift when you need it. That whole thought to me appears not only scary, but flat out dangerous.
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What?
This is the 21st century. WIth an automatic, you step on the gas to go, and step on the brake to stop. Simple.
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With an automatic tranny, you are completely at the mercy of what the tranny feels like doing. You can't upshift or downshift when you need it.
Sorry old boy, but i have to disagree with you on that.
I can sit in my car push on the right pedal and instantly get pinned in the seat as the car surges forward and the downshifts are in sync with roadspeed when i brake or slow down. I cannot think of a single moment when i have found my self in the wrong gear in my car, so why can this technology not be transfered to motorcycles.
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With an automatic tranny, you are completely at the mercy of what the tranny feels like doing. You can't upshift or downshift when you need it.
Sorry old boy, but i have to disagree with you on that.
I can sit in my car push on the right pedal and instantly get pinned in the seat as the car surges forward and the downshifts are in sync with roadspeed when i brake or slow down. I cannot think of a single moment when i have found my self in the wrong gear in my car, so why can this technology not be transfered to motorcycles.
As I ponder this.....one possible disadvantage I can think of to automatic tranny on a bike. Turns.. I know my local roads very well..there are several curves that I down shift
for as well as break cuase I know I'll be lugging through if I dont.What I would not want is the bike shifting for me as I accelerated through.Question would be how smooth the shifting on these critters is.
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Not being an engineer i cant speeak really fluently on this. But if sensors were fitted to the bike so that if the bike was at a lean angle it could only shift up i dont think shifting in turns would ever be a problem. You should never down shift in a corner anyway, so so long as the sensors could recogmize lean angle and not allow down shift while leaned over, i think that should address any safty concerns there. maybe 
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I just hope these things make it to the American market.
Doesn't seem likely though called 2 dealers today. Both acted like they never heard of it.
WHAT???!! You're kiddin' me here, right Jackson???!!!
I mean, a DEALER who doesn't who s**t from Shinola about their manufacturer's product line unless it's sittin' right in their SHOWROOM??? I don't BELIEVE IT!!!
(why, I'm SHOCKED!!! I always thought ALL those salesmen working at all those dealerships know this kind'a stuff because they have a PASSION for motorcycling and thus become well versed in this subject!!!) 
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I was speaking of down shifting before entering the turn..
We have a lot of those "Turn within a Turn" curves around here. Where the radious will start wide then become tighter.
Or the other way around. Most New England "counrty roads".
Strated as Indian foot trails,evolved into goat paths, then
wagon roads and fianlly paved over. Instead of moving the big rock they went around it.Makes for nice riding.
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Oh! So you folks can thank the Mohicans for all those nice roads you've got back there then, huh?! Well THIS old "Gardena High School Mohican"(wait a minute here, they don't call those kids goin' to my old high school that anymore...much too "un-PC", I guess nowdays ) is still pretty much of the same mind as our ex-pat brit(read: "White Man From Across Big Waters" ) Mark here when it comes to automatic transmissions on motorcycles. My view about this is that if you can't master a manual transmission on a motorcycle, then maybe you shouldn't ride one. (but that's just my opinion ya know, Paleface)
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I was speaking of down shifting before entering the turn..
We have a lot of those "Turn within a Turn" curves around here. Where the radious will start wide then become tighter.
Or the other way around. Most New England "counrty roads".
Strated as Indian foot trails,evolved into goat paths, then
wagon roads and fianlly paved over. Instead of moving the big rock they went around it.Makes for nice riding.
Ridley has been making automatic motorcycle transmissions for years and I'm pretty sure you don't have to ride them in a straight line.
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Oh! So you folks can thank the Mohicans for all those nice roads you've got back there then, huh?!
Well THIS old "Gardena High School Mohican"(wait a minute here, they don't call those kids goin' to my old high school that anymore...much too "un-PC", I guess nowdays ) is still pretty much of the same mind as our ex-pat brit(read: "White Man from across big waters" ) Mark here when it comes to automatic transmissions on motorcycles. My view about this is that if you can't master a manual transmission on a motorcycle, then maybe you shouldn't ride one.
(but that's just my opinion ya know, Paleface)
Mohican? nah Dwight not around here. Mostly Pequat some Wongonk and maybe a few Narragansic(sorry about the possable spelling errors) But those where the primary first invaders around here. Cousre then are the ones that poped up durring the Indian casino boom.
(I think Donald Trump founded a tribe down around Bridgeport,or tried to at least)
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(I think Donald Trump founded a tribe down around Bridgeport,or tried to at least)
Oh! You mean..."Great White Father With Funny Hair", huh?!
(yep, I think I've heard of him!)
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My view about this is that if you can't master a manual transmission on a motorcycle, then maybe you shouldn't ride one.
Fair enough Dwight. As my wife loves to tell me, your view is noted. Its wrong, but duly noted. But i bet the same was said about cars when auto boxes first came on the scene.
But remember we live in a world where we use technology to makes our lives easier, faster, more enjoyable and maybe a little better. If an automatic m/c makes life easier or more enjoyable for some riders then who are we to scorn at the idea. How often do you use a microwave, i wonder what your cordonblue chefs thinks about those. If you cant cook it naturally maybe you shouldnt be allowed to eat???
I love manuals as much as the next man, and automatic boxes have come along way in recent years, particually in sportscars. You know my drean car is a Jaguar E Type. But if someone offers me a Automatic E Type I'll kick them in the nuts.
My point is that the motorcycle industry is missing out on a huge market by not offering automatic motorcycles.
Oh my, the thought. Automatic E Type....thats just not right. 
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Duly noted, sir. However, once again, unless with the use of these automatics one could utilize "engine-braking" to their advantage, and ESPECIALLY on TWO-WHEELS, then I can't help feeling that one is "less in command" of their vehicle. And I would think that this "free-wheeling" phenomenon inherent in automatics COULD present a problem when some evasive manuevering conditions might present themselves. BUT, as you said, future techonolgy probably could counteract these possible manuevering negatives, what with ABS and maybe some form of Traction Control added as features, but don't you think these sorts of measures might be in some way counter-intuitive to the idea of a motorcycle being "basic" and maybe in some way "pure" elemental transportation? (I'm REALLY sounding like some "Those Old Days Were Better" old fart here, aren't I???!!!...didn't mean to, ya know)
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(I'm REALLY sounding like some "Those Old Days Were Better" old fart here, aren't I???!!!...didn't mean to, ya know)
Oh i hear ya. Im a tradionalist myself. My other bike, 'the project'. My (say it quietly) Honda 750 needs new exhaust pipes. The original pipes are shot. I'm looking for a replacement set, either an original set of pipes or a replacement 4-2. Everyone i talk to tells me how better the bike will run with a performance set of 4-1 pipes. But i dont want a 4-1, i want "quite" 4-2 pipes with a pipe on boths sides of the back wheel. That is how the designers intended it to look, and thats how i want it. Then they look at me like im some contankerous old git and mumble on about how no-ones asked for a set of 4-2 pipes in 25 years.
Arsenalfan. AKA Mark Able
Seller of fine automobiles.
Jaguar, Land Rover, Porsche of Chattanooga
423-424-4000
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Re: A couple of new Hondas
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Fe Butt
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What year CB750??? If your bike is an early model and it's very stock already, then I'd suggest that you bolt the original 4-4 pipes on it, as it would be worth a heck of a lot more in market value.(and I have to say I like the OEM exhausts on those early K0 and K1 too...though I know those OEM stock pipes for early CB750s are REALLY expensive nowdays)
However, if you're making some kind of a 70's Cafe Racer out of it, then I suppose this would be a non-issue.
Yep! Just like a good Single Malt Scotch, you might call me "an acquired taste" TOO.(among the many OTHER things you may care to call me, of course)
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Re: A couple of new Hondas
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Loquacious
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Loquacious
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Mines a 1980 CB750F. It has the original 4-2 on it but they are shot. Here she is,  and here are her pipes, or one side at least.  I like the old four pipe bikes, but they are not easy to find and when you do it is either a complete piece of trash or an expensive museum piece. Im trying to keep mine as close to original as i can. I have more pictures of her on my photo clicky thing below
Arsenalfan. AKA Mark Able
Seller of fine automobiles.
Jaguar, Land Rover, Porsche of Chattanooga
423-424-4000
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Re: A couple of new Hondas
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Fe Butt
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Nice bike!!! Other than those rusted out pipes it looks like it's in great condition. And yep, I agree with ya about the 4-2 pipes. I think if you could find a set of OEM 4-2's for a reasonable price, then I think I'd go that route too.
Yep! Just like a good Single Malt Scotch, you might call me "an acquired taste" TOO.(among the many OTHER things you may care to call me, of course)
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