 Looks like I am on my 4th igniter(CDI)
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Yep 10 months old and the cdi that is on, looks like it is down, so for a bike that is 4 years old in July I will be on my 4th igniter. All I have to do now is convince Triumph to replace it for me for free  Unfortunately guys when it gets repaired I will be trading it in for something else, probably not a Triumph..  I have had just about had enough of the problems with the America, just coming upto 13000 miles... 
Ray(UK)
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Don't listen to him, it's the drink talking!  What you thinking of getting mate? BTW, take them fancy Nology coils off before trading it in eh? 
"You can't believe everything you read on the internet" : William Shakespeare
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Wait a minute here, Ray!!! This'll be your FOURTH set of igniters you say??? You've GOT to be kidding me!!! (hey...are you folks around here absolutely SURE that we're correct whenever we reply to that ofttime derisively asked question from others with..."No! It DOESN'T have any Lucas parts on it, smarta$$!") 
Yep! Just like a good Single Malt Scotch, you might call me "an acquired taste" TOO.(among the many OTHER things you may care to call me, of course)
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thats crazy, they should replace it for free, and you should have no problems with your bike. i have 20k+ and no problems at all. sorry to hear about the issues
Frank
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are there lemon laws in the UK?
Mark
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are there lemon laws in the UK?
Not like in the US.
'They' tried to introduce some but I don't think it ever caught on as such.
Consumer rights say the product should be fit for purpose.
If it's broken with 12 months (unless it specifically states on the item) it should be replaced free.
Now, rotors, don't get me started on rotors!!
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yeah...I think all states here are either 1 or 2 years from date of purchase, but didn't know about overseas.
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are there lemon laws in the UK?
ahem...I don't think their climate is right for growing citrus over there, Mark!!!
(okay...sorry) 
ACTUALLY...if it were ME, I think I'd ride over to Hinckley and DEMAND to speak to somebody about this issue and TELL 'EM that THEY better pick up the tab on a new one for ya!!!
(of course, being a crass american I could get away with demandin' stuff over there ya know Ray...maybe YOU should just "ask" to speak to the gentleman in charge of their electronic systems procurement department instead, ol' boy!)
Yep! Just like a good Single Malt Scotch, you might call me "an acquired taste" TOO.(among the many OTHER things you may care to call me, of course)
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Has the pick up gap been reduced after any of these ignitor events?
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Has the pick up gap been reduced after any of these ignitor events?
I think it was done on the second one, and then checked on the third one.. Or should I say it is supposed to been done
Ray(UK)
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It seems to me that there is more going on here than meets the eye. Either something is killing the igniter or it really isn't at fault. I suspect that there might be a bad connection someplace that is causing high voltage spikes in the electrical system.
Let's hope there's intelligent life somewhere in space 'cause it's buggar all down here. -- Monte Python
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Has the pick up gap been reduced after any of these ignitor events?
I think it was done on the second one, and then checked on the third one.. Or should I say it is supposed to been done
I'd have to see that myself this time around, shop rules aside. 0.8mm and not a skosh more, and then check to insure you've been getting the proper ignitors as there are two different models.
A positive attitude may not solve all your problems, but it will annoy enough people to make it worth the effort. Herm Albright (1876 - 1944)
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I just checked mine, getting ready for a road trip, .6mm to .7mm at different spots.
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Sorry to hear you are having trouble, first thing that came to my mind was the pick up gap as well when I read you initial post. 16,000 miles on mine so far and no issues. Just adjusted my valves and when I pulled my spark plugs even those looked perfect and I put them back in. That's right my spark plugs have 16,000 miles on them and about to get more.
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I believe your dealership employs parts changers as opposed to diagnosticians.
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It seems to me that there is more going on here than meets the eye. Either something is killing the igniter or it really isn't at fault. I suspect that there might be a bad connection someplace that is causing high voltage spikes in the electrical system.
What Greybeard said.
Bedouin.
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It seems to me that there is more going on here than meets the eye. Either something is killing the igniter or it really isn't at fault. I suspect that there might be a bad connection someplace that is causing high voltage spikes in the electrical system.
What Greybeard said.
The other place to look hard at in this scenario would be the coils, an aftermarket coil with a poor ground could be a contributing fault.
A positive attitude may not solve all your problems, but it will annoy enough people to make it worth the effort. Herm Albright (1876 - 1944)
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Swopped the CDI over onto Mals bike and it run only on one cylinder, so confirmed the CDI has gone.
Triumph are willing to replace this out of goodwill, but have stated if it goes again they will not. So this leaves in the position do I keep it and hope it will not go again or trade the bike in.
The dealer has offered me £3300.00 trade in against a 2008 EFI speedy, but they want the america put back to standard. But do I buy another Triumph????
Ray(UK)
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I'm surprised that Triumph isn't willing to work with you.
I'm on my 3rd, all repalced free of charge and Triumph has extended my warranty. If I was you I would be sending letters to everyone's address I could find with "Manager or customer relations" attached to it.
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...But do I buy another Triumph????
I believe it might be in your best interests to perhaps re-read this particular thread...
http://www.bonnevilleamerica.com/forums/...0&fpart=all
...before you do anything rash, ol' boy!
Yep! Just like a good Single Malt Scotch, you might call me "an acquired taste" TOO.(among the many OTHER things you may care to call me, of course)
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I'm surprised that Triumph isn't willing to work with you.
I'm on my 3rd, all repalced free of charge and Triumph has extended my warranty. If I was you I would be sending letters to everyone's address I could find with "Manager or customer relations" attached to it.
The problem I have got in the UK is that the retailer I purchased the bike from has lost the Triumph dealership, as Triumph pointed out today my argument is with them not Triumph themselves. This to me has been a fault from the word go or since I purchased the bike new in 2004, by the time the warranty had run out I had already gone through two CDI units. Triumph replaced the last one and of course this one. Think I will keep my mouth shut until I at least receive the CDI through the new dealership.
Ray(UK)
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Telephoned Trading Standards who said with an ongoing fault I have six years to make a claim. So I telephoned the dealer and asked to speak to the manager who is on holiday for two weeks, so I asked whoever was in charge to ring me. Got a phone call from a director who agreed it is down to them and suggested a new wiring harness to start off with. So I can keep my baby and the little Honda as well. I'm overjoyed and celebrated with a cigar 
Ray(UK)
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Well in Ray!!! Would seem a shame to strip all that chrome off 
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I just hope they can make it right for you, sucks to see someone get turned off to their bike because of an ongoing fault. I really have grown attached to my Speedmaster much to my suprise, I never thought I would like a bike as much as some of my antiques. Good luck and heres to hoping they figure it out in short order!
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Got a phone call from a director who agreed it is down to them and suggested a new wiring harness to start off with. So I can keep my baby and the little Honda as well.
I'm overjoyed and celebrated with a cigar
Will they include the pick up coil, regulator and alternator stator, too? I mean if you're going to "wholesale" the wiring harness, why not go all the way? Then they'd be certain to have eliminated every probability. In any event, sounds like you're on the way to success, have another cigar... 
A positive attitude may not solve all your problems, but it will annoy enough people to make it worth the effort. Herm Albright (1876 - 1944)
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no no no i wanted the tank badges ,windshield, chromey bits, speedie front end ..............what else you got on that Ray . Hope that harness works for ya bro,altho i was thinkin you where workin something for the new Triumph  crooozer
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I wanted the Corbin seat and backrest combo....  But seriously I'm well chuffed for you mate. I know you feel as much for that bike as I do for mine. Which one....now that's another question!!!
Gina
03 America - Pretty stock - except the TBS wheel... 
06 America - missing, presumed in bits. With it's TBS wheel... 
09 America - It's very blue....
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Cheers guys n girls here's hoping they find the problem.
Ray(UK)
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Cheers guys n girls here's hoping they find the problem.
My good lady is a lawyer Ray and you have the law on your side on this one. If you need back up she can write a mean letter.
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So I can keep my baby ....
Whoopdy do!!!!
Well done mate.
(You know why the miserable face!! )
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So I can keep my baby
****** it all Ray the sharks were circling looking at piccies of your bike and thinking of what parts they would be trying to get off of you. Apart from that great news hope everything gets sorted. Soon you will be 
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Ray ... hope that they get it sorted for you
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Cheers guys n girls, Funkletrumpet
Ray(UK)
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Good luck sorting it out. Three igniter failures is insane! Definitely go with a new wire harness. Must be gremlins in it somewhere!
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... Funkletrumpet
"You can't believe everything you read on the internet" : William Shakespeare
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looks like CDI units dont like dry weather only and WD 40 bath 51500 miles and everything ok
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Bike back up and running, sure sounds sweet to hear my baby on both cyclinders once again..
Ray(UK)
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Glad to hear that Ray ,hope it stays that way 
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Glad to hear that Ray ,hope it stays that way
Cheers Gordie, no matter what the dealer is going to sort it, even if it takes a new bike 
Ray(UK)
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I would be 99 per cent sure that some alteration you have done to the stock system is the root cause of your problem
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