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How do you find Harley riders react to a bike thats British but has a traditional American slant, especially you stateside folk.
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I find them to be envious and jealous  I haven't come across a Harley guy yet that has something bad to say about my bike, and its nice to have a guy on a $25-30k machine tell you how nice yours is 
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Haven't thought about it a lot. The ones I meet on the road & petrol stops are good people, appreciate a fine m/c. Most of the others are lined up outside of saloons and taverns, with their owners inside drinking sun tea & diet cokes, so I never actually meet them  j  h
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Most of the folks I ride with are on Harleys, they grudingly give my bike respect. Best thing is, my bike will draw a crowd (even with Harley riders) while their bikes get the polite nod.
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The real die hard old timer Harley guys have nothing but respect for our Triumphs and the Triumph brand. A lot of the younger newer trendy wannabe-a-biker guys seem to be morons when it comes to anything but HD as a lot of them never even heard of Triumph or know of the heritage or history of Triumph or even HD (they seem to think that Brando rode a HD in the Wild One and never even heard of McQueen - these are also the same guys that either never owned a bike before or traded thier japanese v-twin in on one).
There is a guy at work that for he most part has always owned Harleys. He and I wil trash talk about each others bikes, but is always in fun. When I was shopping around beofre I bought my Speedmaster, I asked him his opinion (he knows bikes and amazingly knew the whole Triumph line-up) and he highly recomended them (then went into story mode about tales of friends with Triumphs).
So anyway, for the most part our bikes are very well recieved by the HD crowd.
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Actually, after seeing photos of them, and the T-shirt from Lowbrow Customs, I see a LOT more resemblance to a late-30's SpeedTwin than I do a Harley (or is this the Harley that looks like a SpeedTwin and ours look like the Harley copy of a SpeedTwin...) 
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The real die hard old timer Harley guys have nothing but respect for our Triumphs and the Triumph brand. A lot of the younger newer trendy wannabe-a-biker guys seem to be morons when it comes to anything but HD as a lot of them never even heard of Triumph or know of the heritage or history of Triumph or even HD (they seem to think that Brando rode a HD in the Wild One and never even heard of McQueen - these are also the same guys that either never owned a bike before or traded thier japanese v-twin in on one).
Soren nailed it.
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I stopped by the Harley dealer in Towcester the other week to have a look around, right in the middle of a local Hog meet. Loads of people came up to have a look at my speedmaster, everyone was very complimentary. The some even asked if I wanted to join in on their rideout down to London that day. I would have done but 1. I had stuff to do later on 2. I didn't want to have to continually stop to let them catch up. Out of courtesy I didn't mention reason 2. 
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+1, Soren got it right on the head.
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Actually, after seeing photos of them, and the T-shirt from Lowbrow Customs, I see a LOT more resemblance to a late-30's SpeedTwin than I do a Harley (or is this the Harley that looks like a SpeedTwin and ours look like the Harley copy of a SpeedTwin...)
Very interesting that one, you can see the resembalance, suppose the Brit manufactures went their own way. Its good to hear your experiences, I ride 21 year old XV700 chopped a bit and I was out on a ride with my son (XVS125) and 2 of his mates (brand new YZR-F125 and a Suzy Bandit, streetfightered), it was really strange to see who waved at who. My son and got ignored when another streetfighter went past but he waved at the Suzy and when some power rangers went by on their croch rockets they waved at the YZF but us on the old cruisers were virtually ignored. Hows that for friendly bikers? Oh and we did wave at any bike cos to me a bikes a bike and thats it!
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I get mixed reations, as someone said,the old timers who have been riding since Hitler was a corpral and have forgotten more about motorcycles than I know, give a good look over ask a lot of questions and show nothing but respect.Have not had any of those type say it rsembled an HD at all.
The RUB's (rich urban bikers) that bought HD's because they didnt know anybetter and have 1500 miles on an 02, don't know what they are lookin at anyway.
And as was pointed out there are quite a few features on the America that are nothing but Triumph, biggest being the engine. And it does look more like an old Triumph than a new Hardly.
Americans in general have been brianwashed by Hollyweird and
Madison Ave. Into thinking HD is the only "real bike" out there.And if you want to be cool you have to ride one.
Lastly It's my understanding that Triumph named the bike "America" in tribute to American styling. Kind of a class move on they're (Triumph's) part I think.
The only slighly negitive comment I got from an old timer was when I frist got the bike, He said "Man, that dont sound like a Triumph". Had to agree with him.
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Another thumbs up to you Soren. After living in Central Florida for a number of years and having Daytona just up the road, I've become a bit jaded against HD riders. The bikes are good; there's a few of them I wouldn't mind owning (not for the price though). The biggest erogance by them is, if it's not a Harley then it's not a bike. Kiss my Triumph riding rear. The HD riders that have taken a look at my ride, and riden with me, have had nothing but good stuff to say about it.
It was mentioned previously and I completely agree; one of the reasons I bought a BA was because I didn't want to be like every other biker on the road. I love the sound of a mighty V-twin, but when that Triumph plant passes by, people notice since it's such a unique sound.
I love the look. I love the handling. And I darn well love the price.
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I ride with HD guys and I go to quite a few HD events and pretty much everyone likes our bikes as well as the old Triumphs but not so much the sport type. It seems a mutual respect kind of thing. A few have said they wouldn't mind having one and generally like the bike. Most often we get into mechanical discussions and questions back and forth about each other rides and what plans we have to tweek them. Wendy loves it when her Triumph wins trophies at these events.
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I actually get more negativity from the Cafe' Racer elitists here... in the states!! There seems to be a number of folks who are soooo desperately tryin to not be associated w/ HD's & all the Jap V twin knockoffs they're just as bad in some respects to the RUB's mentioned above or some 1% types.
I think I've seen people comment on this before somewhere on here but they'll accept, with open arms a CB750 ummm.. correct me if I'm wrong but aren't those basically the same as the Jap V twin knockoffs... like a Jap Cafe' knockoff? Hmmm... ironic don't ya think?
But... wait a min... I have drag bars & 33deg rake... no clamp ons or down turned bars... I'm not loved.... I get scoffed at sometimes.... freakin ignant elitists!!
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both fun to ride but wouldn't want your friends to see you on either one.
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these are also the same guys that either never owned a bike before or traded thier japanese v-twin in on one
Isn't that pretty much the same thing?
I rode the America to an event at the local HD dealer a few weeks ago. The HD museum truck was there. My Triumph drew a bigger crowd than the truck, and I found out that the owner of the shop is a big Triumph fan who currently owns several.
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The old HD guy at work I with whom I regularly converse seems to appreciate my bike as well as his two hogs. Doesn't appear to have much use for the Japanese V-twins however. 'HD wannabe's' I think he calls them. Says they need to have their own parking area, toward the rear of the garage. I'm not quite that harsh on 'em myself.
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Last week one of the guys I ride with got a phone call from his friend looking to buy a bike. My buddy has a HD Lowrider, nice bike. his friend was listing off bikes and came to Triumph, then he said, "isn't that another Harley wanna be?". Well, my friend (Harley owner) laid into him and told him about my bike and how Triumph is the only brand thats not trying to be something else, and if he saw my bike he would think way differently. The guy was still like "what about loud pipes?" so you see where this is headed, but mine has Scepters on it, good and loud... anyway, those in the know will give Triumph its deserved credit, and those who dont know, may never really get it. I LOVE MY BIKE
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Frankly, Scarlett, I don't give a ******.... Like the song says - You can't please everyone so you got to please yourself..
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Frankly, Scarlett, I don't give a ******....
Like the song says - You can't please everyone so you got to please yourself..
Yep! "Rhett" and "Ricky" here have it right, alright! 
Here's my "philosophy" about this, Ian...
Like yourself, I also wave at nearly every rider comin' the other way, and if they fail to wave back I either just assume that they may suffer from some sort of vision-impairment and thus must be vigorously concentrating on the road ahead, OR they know that they lack the ability to ride safely without both hands firmly planted upon their handlebars at all times, and so I just give 'em credit for acknowledging their own limitations and adjusting for such...and I give 'em a pass!
(yep...just like Eastwood said in "Magnum Force"..."A Man's gotta know his limitations!" 
In other words, it doesn't matter much to me if folks like that wish to limit their "philosophy".
I just know whenever I'm astride my BA that I'm riding a machine that actually handles better than most all other brands in this particular category while having those classic good looks, that it's quality-built, and that it's purchase price is more than reasonable...and that's a win-win-win in my book anyday, dude!
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It was mentioned previously and I completely agree; one of the reasons I bought a BA was because I didn't want to be like every other biker on the road. I love the sound of a mighty V-twin, but when that Triumph plant passes by, people notice since it's such a unique sound.
I love the look. I love the handling. And I darn well love the price.
+1 on this, i rode an old Shovel for years, most of the H D crowd is all about the "sound". Maybe 5% of 'em actually like to ride all day~~[i had one friend in a "club" of 40 who shared my opinion, point A to point B should be at least 2 hours & no super slabs] all the others are about hitting all the same bars in the county, on a sunny Sunday~~what a waste.
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That may be why Wendy and I ride alone most of the time. We ride all day when we go out. Except for running errands I can't remember a ride less than 4 hrs and most are at least 6 or 7 or more. This includes stopping to eat and or get a drink (not alcohol just a quick thirst quencher) Stop here and there at points of interest along the way but never stop long. Seems most rides end up about 300 miles give or take.
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My harley mate likes my America. He's ridden it home for me, after being assaulted at work (they insisted I got a taxi home even thought the ride would have cleared my head.)
However it didn't stop him buying another of the bleedin things last month.....
So he now has 2 flamin Hardleys.....
We just have a friendly rivalry. He had a Bonnie in the past, so can understand the loyalty to the brand.....just he's let his slip over the pond...
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We just have a friendly rivalry. He had a Bonnie in the past, so can understand the loyalty to the brand.....just he's let his slip over the pond...
I have a similar rivaly with a coworker. Last time we rode together, my Bonnie got so much attention, he threatened to kick it over! Needless to say, at the end of the day as we were relaxing at a cafe, some guy walks in and asks who owns the Triumph! He told me not to park next to his bike anymore. 
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Why is it that a lot of the posters on this site are so interested or care about what old time Harley riders think about what they ride? Is it because they think that any old timer riding a Harley is a real biker? Lets ask Graybeard, seems hes been riding as long as anybody on the road.
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I think because it's harder to find a guy on a Triumph and if they are like me that's who they tend to see. I don't ride with or go to many places where there are guys on rice. Only 1 person I ride with on a Gold Wing. I personally don't care what anyone thinks but do enjoy talking bikes and most of the time it's with a guy on a Hardley.
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Do you really think thats it? Or maybe its because they are interested in the opinions of riders that are just as "branded" as themselves? If one were to look at the BMW or Goldwing owners, I believe they are even more branded than the Harley owners. But it seems on this blog that the opinions of the Harley owner is all important. Just wondering if the Harley marketing has gotten to all of us?
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All I can say is most places I go there are tons of Hardleys and usually just me and Wendy on Triumphs once in a while 1 or 2 others but thats rare. So I usually end up talking to guys on HDs and it's nice if they like what I ride. We normally talk mods we have done or want done, a little good natured ribbing is usually in the conversations too.
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Do you really think thats it? Or maybe its because they are interested in the opinions of riders that are just as "branded" as themselves? If one were to look at the BMW or Goldwing owners, I believe they are even more branded than the Harley owners. But it seems on this blog that the opinions of the Harley owner is all important. Just wondering if the Harley marketing has gotten to all of us?
I think it comes down to our bike being very similar to HD's in looks. After all, it was designed to capture the American market and what better oppertunity to try and grab a slice of that market.
So that's, imo, the reason HD's crop up more than other makes in threads. Similar bikes ----> talking point
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Do you really think thats it? Or maybe its because they are interested in the opinions of riders that are just as "branded" as themselves? If one were to look at the BMW or Goldwing owners, I believe they are even more branded than the Harley owners. But it seems on this blog that the opinions of the Harley owner is all important. Just wondering if the Harley marketing has gotten to all of us?
Marketing plays a part, but only in that they are similar bikes marketed to similar demographics. Plus, Harley owners are in the vast majority of the cruiser segment. HD owns the cruiser market, and the rest of the brands are a bunch of Davids taking on Goliath. As the underdog, there's a natural tendency to demonize whomever is on top.
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Good one,oneijack.Think I'll print this off and sneek it onto the wall at local harley shop.Triumph riders are usually up front and rarely follow.
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I reentered the cycle aura after 40 years of marriage,children and maturity.I was visiting friend in Wassila,Alaska and had stopped at HD shop for t-shirt and saw an America for sale.The salesman said they only sell used HD's but kept the America because of pricing and their ability to sell it.I came home after visit and researched Triumph and set out to purchase my second Triumph(1st a 1963 650 bonneville).I took my friend Bill with me to help with purchase(He owns a 2003 HD anniverary edition)and He failed in His attempt to persaude me to purchase the Rocket and I went home proud owner of 07 America.Last month Bill had to sell His HD due to failing health issues and admitted that His Harley was extremely high maintenance and expensive..complimented me on my America and said I made a good choice.All the HD riders I ride with are continually amazed at the attention and comments(all positive)that My America recieves.At restaurants they are always pointing out the "look overs"that my bike gets.I RECEIVE THE ATTENTION THAT THEY THOUGHT THEY WOULD RECEIVE WHEN THEY BOUGHT THEIR HD'S!!!   I am always invited to join them and some have patted me on the back for being different and not joining the crowd!It amazes me how many claimed to grow up on Triumphs and now ride the orange and black..I personally prefer to shower each day and to wear something other than black(sorry Johnny Cash!)
life is good..I am retired..sold my America in 2008,bought a Rocket and sold that in 3/2013 and now own a new Triumph Bonneville T-100
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Do you really think thats it? Or maybe its because they are interested in the opinions of riders that are just as "branded" as themselves? If one were to look at the BMW or Goldwing owners, I believe they are even more branded than the Harley owners. But it seems on this blog that the opinions of the Harley owner is all important. Just wondering if the Harley marketing has gotten to all of us?
Marketing plays a part, but only in that they are similar bikes marketed to similar demographics. Plus, Harley owners are in the vast majority of the cruiser segment. HD owns the cruiser market, and the rest of the brands are a bunch of Davids taking on Goliath. As the underdog, there's a natural tendency to demonize whomever is on top.
I think you're both right, and so is Nick(Lowery) here when he said this...
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I think it comes down to our bike being very similar to HD's in looks. After all, it was designed to capture the American market and what better oppertunity to try and grab a slice of that market.
So that's, imo, the reason HD's crop up more than other makes in threads. Similar bikes.
But I have to disagree with Ian when he said this...
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I think because it's harder to find a guy on a Triumph and if they are like me that's who they tend to see. I don't ride with or go to many places where there are guys on rice. Only 1 person I ride with on a Gold Wing. I personally don't care what anyone thinks but do enjoy talking bikes and most of the time it's with a guy on a Hardley.
You see, I've found over the years that the folks who ride britbikes(and I don't mean to stroke our collective egos here, BTW) and ESPECIALLY older britbikes, tend to know much more about the WIDE WORLD of motorcycling and tend to be cogniscent, well versed, and APPRECIATIVE of ALL the varied and interesting brands of machines out there than just about any other "group" of riders.
In other words, I'd much rather sit and talk bikes with the members of the Norton Owners Club of SoCal, who as a whole can discuss and seem to appreciate the latest and greatest from Japan Inc, Italy, Germany, and YES even Milwaukee, than I generally would with most members of the local HOG chapter, who often seem to know the lastest happenings in that last location I mentioned above(Milwaukee) and often little else.
(yep...I've found a heck of a lot more "Peter Egan types" associated with the Norton Owners Club than with any other group over the years, alright!)
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Little question, big discussion. The only reason I asked the question is because motorcycling over here in blighty has become a little clicky, it seems in the majority of cases it not the fact you ride a bike its what sort you ride and cruisers are no different; you have harley riders and the rest. I started ridng in 1980 just off the back of the hugely popular motorcycling 70s and it didn't seem to matter then, yes you always have friendly rivalry and banter, you know "mines faster than yours" and all that but today even magazines write certain kinds of bike off because they don't do 150 or silly 0-60 times. I always thought riding a bike is supposed to be fun and the fraternaty that is motorcycling are all together with the thought of "lets ride" regardless what you riding, we all have our preferences but they are all bikes at the end of the day. I ride cruisers because I wanted one the first time I saw a Harley back in the day (they were the only ones then) and this carried on even with the Jap customs of the late 70's early 80's(sad I know). I like to enjoy my ride see whats around and torque your out of corners, I also had an over a car experience when 17 that left me unable to bear weight on my right hand for lengthy periods so cruisers suit me perfectly. Anyways its good to see a diverse crowd on here, very similar to the lot I left behind on Virago Tech, allsorts of folk with a "proper" common interest ...BIKES that just happen to be Triumphs! And I'm still waiting on delivery for mine... 
TBA EFI 2008 Pacific Blue/New England White (aka cream) Bl**dy Lovely! Sold it bought a 1050 Tiger.
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Joined: Dec 2007
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I am a HD, BMW, and Triumph Owner and love the Triumph. What is not to love?
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Re: Interested to know.....
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Joined: Feb 2007
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Fe Butt
Joined: Feb 2007
Posts: 23,217 Likes: 61 |
Same here I rarely ride my BMW
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