 Army Living
|
Joined: Feb 2007
Posts: 23,217 Likes: 61
Fe Butt
|
OP
Fe Butt
Joined: Feb 2007
Posts: 23,217 Likes: 61 |
Did you see on the news the conditions of the army barracks? Sewer water on the floors, drain pipe stuffed with toilet paper to prevent sewer gases from getting in. They say the place is crumbling. It's shameful to subject service men to that when they put their lives at risk for our rights.
I learned all I need to know about life by killing smart people and eating their brains.
Eat right ,Exercise ,Stay fit, Die Anyway!
|
|
|
 Re: Army Living
|
Joined: Feb 2006
Posts: 3,099
Loquacious
|
Loquacious
Joined: Feb 2006
Posts: 3,099 |
I didn't see this, but it sounds like an absolute disgrace.
And, it doesn't surprise me one bit! How's Halliburton doing?
|
|
|
Re: Army Living
|
Joined: Jun 2006
Posts: 1,026
Learned Hand
|
|
Learned Hand
Joined: Jun 2006
Posts: 1,026 |
Our Liberties We Prize and Our Rights We Will Maintain
If a nation expects to be ignorant and free, in a state of civilization, it expects what never was and will never be.----Thomas Jefferson
|
|
|
Re: Army Living
|
Joined: May 2007
Posts: 225
Adjunct
|
|
Adjunct
Joined: May 2007
Posts: 225 |
I didn't see the article but as a retired serviceman who has been in those conditions, I ask why don't the men fix things using their superior ingenuity? That's what we did. We called it inovative enginering. 
Yes! I am a Redneck. Any Problems?
|
|
|
Re: Army Living
|
Joined: Feb 2007
Posts: 23,217 Likes: 61
Fe Butt
|
|
OP
Fe Butt
Joined: Feb 2007
Posts: 23,217 Likes: 61 |
I didn't read it I saw it on TV on CNN I imagine if you search the CNN web site it's there somewhere.
I learned all I need to know about life by killing smart people and eating their brains.
Eat right ,Exercise ,Stay fit, Die Anyway!
|
|
|
Re: Army Living
|
Joined: Jan 2005
Posts: 12,164 Likes: 1
Should be Riding
|
|
Should be Riding
Joined: Jan 2005
Posts: 12,164 Likes: 1 |
You haven’t learned by now that the media exaggerates, twists and spins things to the extreme to make whatever point that they want you to believe?
Soren
|
|
|
Re: Army Living
|
Joined: Feb 2007
Posts: 23,217 Likes: 61
Fe Butt
|
|
OP
Fe Butt
Joined: Feb 2007
Posts: 23,217 Likes: 61 |
They showed pictures and it may be exaggerated but it still shameful.
I learned all I need to know about life by killing smart people and eating their brains.
Eat right ,Exercise ,Stay fit, Die Anyway!
|
|
|
Re: Army Living
|
Joined: Feb 2007
Posts: 23,217 Likes: 61
Fe Butt
|
|
OP
Fe Butt
Joined: Feb 2007
Posts: 23,217 Likes: 61 |
Here is the frackin' link. Army Living
I learned all I need to know about life by killing smart people and eating their brains.
Eat right ,Exercise ,Stay fit, Die Anyway!
|
|
|
Re: Army Living
|
Joined: Aug 2006
Posts: 2,555
Loquacious
|
|
Loquacious
Joined: Aug 2006
Posts: 2,555 |
Well I did my time in uniform, I saw run down barracks and luxury dorms, I find it hard to believe that any Army First Sergent would let the conditions of his mens barrcks get as bad as this, I agree with Soren, the articlke is exagerated bull poop.
The percentage you're paying is too high-priced
While you're living beyond all your means
And the man in the suit has just bought a new car
From the profit he's made on your dreams
|
|
|
Re: Army Living
|
Joined: Feb 2006
Posts: 3,099
Loquacious
|
|
Loquacious
Joined: Feb 2006
Posts: 3,099 |
Wow! I expected it to be in Iraq or Afganistan, not Ft Bragg!
Shameful or disgrace doesn't begin to describe this.
|
|
|
Re: Army Living
|
Joined: Mar 2005
Posts: 370
Adjunct
|
|
Adjunct
Joined: Mar 2005
Posts: 370 |
The media picked up on a Youtube video posted by a father of a soldier. I searched but didnt find the original video....which I figure wasnt media propagande. While I believe that the media exaggerates....the soldiers deserve the best acommodations available once they return.....media bull poop or not
2003 Red and Black Speedy. What do I want to change on my bike next????
|
|
|
Re: Army Living
|
Joined: Jan 2005
Posts: 7,630 Likes: 7
Monkey Butt
|
|
Monkey Butt
Joined: Jan 2005
Posts: 7,630 Likes: 7 |
I don't know about the Army but when I was in the Navy we often had to rehab our own spaces. In 1979 in Diego Garcia our detachment fixed the plumbing, painted and put in new floor and ceiling tiles to make our living quarters habitable. We also fixed up our spaces on the ship and in San Diego. The idea of calling in the press wouldn’t have occurred to us.
We all like to think of ourselves as rugged individualists. But when push comes to shove most of us are sheep who do what we are told. Worst of all, a lot of us become unpaid agents of whoever is controlling the agenda by enforcing the current dogma on the few rugged individualists who actually exist.
|
|
|
Re: Army Living
|
Joined: Aug 2006
Posts: 2,555
Loquacious
|
|
Loquacious
Joined: Aug 2006
Posts: 2,555 |
Quote:
I don't know about the Army but when I was in the Navy we often had to rehab our own spaces. In 1979 in Diego Garcia our detachment fixed the plumbing, painted and put in new floor and ceiling tiles to make our living quarters habitable. We also fixed up our spaces on the ship and in San Diego. The idea of calling in the press wouldn’t have occurred to us.
Exactly if the place was a dump ya fixed it.
The percentage you're paying is too high-priced
While you're living beyond all your means
And the man in the suit has just bought a new car
From the profit he's made on your dreams
|
|
|
Re: Army Living
|
Joined: Feb 2007
Posts: 23,217 Likes: 61
Fe Butt
|
|
OP
Fe Butt
Joined: Feb 2007
Posts: 23,217 Likes: 61 |
Point is ya shouldn't have to fix it, it shouldn't be that way in the first place. To say the sgt. wouldn't let it get that way is BS, what about that hospital not too long ago, I think it was Walter Reed but not sure, where all the people involved in running it got in trouble right up to some col. who lost his position due to the horrible conditions. It may be exaggerated some but the pix don't lie.
I learned all I need to know about life by killing smart people and eating their brains.
Eat right ,Exercise ,Stay fit, Die Anyway!
|
|
|
Re: Army Living
|
Joined: Apr 2006
Posts: 2,623 Likes: 2
Loquacious
|
|
Loquacious
Joined: Apr 2006
Posts: 2,623 Likes: 2 |
Yeah, that looks pretty crappy. Kind of reminds me of the remote year I spent with Uncle Sam's Friendly Fighting Forces at lovely Kunsan-By-The-Sea.
Media hype notwithstanding, it shouldn't have been allowed to get that way. As others have said, you would think the guys living there would've kept it up a bit.
Kevin - Luceo Non Uro
|
|
|
Re: Army Living
|
Joined: Mar 2007
Posts: 152
Adjunct
|
|
Adjunct
Joined: Mar 2007
Posts: 152 |
This is a current problem right now with our military. Things are not that bad for the most part, but facilities are falling apart becuase there is not enough money going to the services to support operations in 2 theaters, normal operations back home, and facility up keep. The problem is with Congress, write to your congressman/woman.
|
|
|
Re: Army Living
|
Joined: Jun 2005
Posts: 2,477
Oil Expert
|
|
Oil Expert
Joined: Jun 2005
Posts: 2,477 |
Quote:
This is a current problem right now with our military. Things are not that bad for the most part, but facilities are falling apart becuase there is not enough money going to the services to support operations in 2 theaters, normal operations back home, and facility up keep. The problem is with Congress, write to your congressman/woman.
Of the comments made, this is the one I agree with most, HOWEVER, I can tell you all that unit First Sergeants and Commanders these days do NOT conduct barracks inspections on a regular basis to ensure the health and welfare of their soldiers. Had the barracks been inspected, the chain of command should have noted the conditions and submitted an emergency repair request to the post facilities manager. That having been said, the soldiers themselves have a responsibility to report any issues of this nature through their first line leadership to have it repaired. Was this done and ignored is the question that I have, or did the soldier simply take the time and energy to video the conditions and send the video to his father instead of taking action within his unit to fix the problem.
As a former First Sergeant, one of my frustrations was that many soldiers would go out of their way to destroy where they lived but would not take the energy to keep the barracks clean and livable. THAT'S why inspections are important. Soldiers or not, most of these sevicemembers are teenagers  , and they need supervision.
JB
"Long live the Duck Force!"
|
|
|
Re: Army Living
|
Joined: Jul 2007
Posts: 319
Adjunct
|
|
Adjunct
Joined: Jul 2007
Posts: 319 |
Quote:
Quote:
This is a current problem right now with our military. Things are not that bad for the most part, but facilities are falling apart becuase there is not enough money going to the services to support operations in 2 theaters, normal operations back home, and facility up keep. The problem is with Congress, write to your congressman/woman.
As a former First Sergeant, one of my frustrations was that many soldiers would go out of their way to destroy where they lived but would not take the energy to keep the barracks clean and livable. THAT'S why inspections are important. Soldiers or not, most of these sevicemembers are teenagers , and they need supervision.
I do not live in theses barracks anymore, but I am in a position to be in and out of them on a regular basis. The building in question is in my response district. Most of the comments that have been made are on point. However, these particular barracks have been scheduled to be demolished, but when the money for new construction was held up by our elected officials, the time table got messed up. Our soldiers returning are not able to move into their new barracks because they are not complete. Many renovations were completed on these older barracks and are still ongoig.
The other side of the coin is, as was previously stated, soldiers do not take care of their quarters, they are coddled these days and allowed to act like children. There are barracks on post that are less than five years old that have to be renovated already because the soldiers have already trashed them. The First Sergeants and Commanders hands have been tied to force the soldiers to be responsible because everytime someone doesn't like the way they are treated, they write to their Congressman. The Army has changed quite a bit since most of us remember it. Most of the Chains of Command do report problems and get them fixed as expeditiously as possible. And there are a ton of new barracks being built. It is a shame that our soldiers are forced to put up with these conditions, but the problems were recoginized long ago and the fix has been happening for a few years. Without getting on my soapbox, if our elected officials spent money more wisely and where it is needed this would not have been an issue.
'07 America
www.patriotguard.org
"If you're not living on the edge...........You're taking up too much space!
|
|
|
Re: Army Living
|
Joined: Jan 2005
Posts: 3,954
Loquacious
|
|
Loquacious
Joined: Jan 2005
Posts: 3,954 |
Quote:
if our elected officials spent money more wisely and where it is needed this would not have been an issue.
There we go again with more of that crazy talk....
|
|
|
Re: Army Living
|
Joined: Dec 2007
Posts: 638
Adjunct
|
|
Adjunct
Joined: Dec 2007
Posts: 638 |
Hum, I wouldn't be surprised if CNN conveniently "forgot" to include the bits about demolition and funding hindered by politicians.
|
|
|
Re: Army Living
|
Joined: Jan 2005
Posts: 18,825
"Lighten up, Francis."
|
|
"Lighten up, Francis."
Joined: Jan 2005
Posts: 18,825 |
WHAT!?! CNN would NEVER...
Oh rubbish. Nevermind...
|
|
|
Re: Army Living
|
Joined: Mar 2006
Posts: 2,527
Loquacious
|
|
Loquacious
Joined: Mar 2006
Posts: 2,527 |
This is of course simple BS. All one need do is consider the source CNN to see the jist of it.
I gurantee you its all BS and is in no way representative of living conditions.
"Proud to be an Infidel" ... "100% pure American Jingoist"
|
|
|
Re: Army Living
|
Joined: Feb 2007
Posts: 23,217 Likes: 61
Fe Butt
|
|
OP
Fe Butt
Joined: Feb 2007
Posts: 23,217 Likes: 61 |
Quote:
Quote:
Quote:
This is a current problem right now with our military. Things are not that bad for the most part, but facilities are falling apart becuase there is not enough money going to the services to support operations in 2 theaters, normal operations back home, and facility up keep. The problem is with Congress, write to your congressman/woman.
As a former First Sergeant, one of my frustrations was that many soldiers would go out of their way to destroy where they lived but would not take the energy to keep the barracks clean and livable. THAT'S why inspections are important. Soldiers or not, most of these sevicemembers are teenagers , and they need supervision.
I do not live in theses barracks anymore, but I am in a position to be in and out of them on a regular basis. The building in question is in my response district. Most of the comments that have been made are on point. However, these particular barracks have been scheduled to be demolished, but when the money for new construction was held up by our elected officials, the time table got messed up. Our soldiers returning are not able to move into their new barracks because they are not complete. Many renovations were completed on these older barracks and are still ongoig.
The other side of the coin is, as was previously stated, soldiers do not take care of their quarters, they are coddled these days and allowed to act like children. There are barracks on post that are less than five years old that have to be renovated already because the soldiers have already trashed them. The First Sergeants and Commanders hands have been tied to force the soldiers to be responsible because everytime someone doesn't like the way they are treated, they write to their Congressman. The Army has changed quite a bit since most of us remember it. Most of the Chains of Command do report problems and get them fixed as expeditiously as possible. And there are a ton of new barracks being built. It is a shame that our soldiers are forced to put up with these conditions, but the problems were recoginized long ago and the fix has been happening for a few years. Without getting on my soapbox, if our elected officials spent money more wisely and where it is needed this would not have been an issue.
You have the man himself right here telling you it isn't BS. He also gives the reasons why this happened. I agree soldiers should keep the place up to some extent and treat facilities with respect. They did leave out that they were condemned but did say they should be. If it makes you happy to ignore it and say it isn't so thats up to you. There are reasons but it doesn't make it any better. The statement above and another shows how this could happen. 1st sgts. don't conduct regular insp. as they should in at least some cases and if the soldiers trash the place and don't bring problems to the attn. of their superiors then who is to blame. Any way you flip this there should not be men living in condemned barracks or in those conditions.
I learned all I need to know about life by killing smart people and eating their brains.
Eat right ,Exercise ,Stay fit, Die Anyway!
|
|
|
Re: Army Living
|
Joined: Mar 2006
Posts: 2,527
Loquacious
|
|
Loquacious
Joined: Mar 2006
Posts: 2,527 |
Its an gross exaggeration prompted by a cable network that is and always has been hostile to the US military and will do whatever it can at all times to give it a black eye.
I like many here served in the military and this is NOT representative of a on ongoing consistent state of affairs.
Irs a GROSS misrepresentation that is typical of CNN.
Last edited by clanrickarde; 04/29/2008 11:14 AM.
"Proud to be an Infidel" ... "100% pure American Jingoist"
|
|
|
Re: Army Living
|
Joined: Feb 2007
Posts: 23,217 Likes: 61
Fe Butt
|
|
OP
Fe Butt
Joined: Feb 2007
Posts: 23,217 Likes: 61 |
I am not hostile to the military, quite the opposite , I feel they deserve respect. I don't care about CNNs position on the military, I do care about the conditions in that barracks and hospitals etc... If that is the only barracks like that with soldiers living in it then it's 1 too many. I never said it was typical, did I? I posted about this one and this one only and there are pictures to prove it and there are people who have been there posting vids so like it or not there it is and all your protesting doesn't change the facts and it's deplorable. Or are you saying those conditions are OK?
EDIT: By the way I am done arguing this, the proof is there and in this thread.
Last edited by The_Dog33; 04/29/2008 11:50 AM.
I learned all I need to know about life by killing smart people and eating their brains.
Eat right ,Exercise ,Stay fit, Die Anyway!
|
|
|
Re: Army Living
|
Joined: Mar 2006
Posts: 2,527
Loquacious
|
|
Loquacious
Joined: Mar 2006
Posts: 2,527 |
I am saying that what was there is a molecule of one drop of water in a 20 gallon bucket.
Inconsequential and simply typical of CNN.
Whatever they can do to tear down the fabric of the US military you can bet they will and do on a regular basis.
How many other mainstream media outlets ran with this?
Honestly if it were not mentioned here I dont think most of us would have heard about it.
"Proud to be an Infidel" ... "100% pure American Jingoist"
|
|
|
Re: Army Living
|
Joined: Jan 2005
Posts: 3,954
Loquacious
|
|
Loquacious
Joined: Jan 2005
Posts: 3,954 |
Quote:
Its an gross exaggeration prompted by a cable network that is and always has been hostile to the US military and will do whatever it can at all times to give it a black eye.
I like many here served in the military and this is NOT representative of a on ongoing consistent state of affairs.
Irs a GROSS misrepresentation that is typical of CNN.
I'm sure this is not representative of most Army (or any other branches) Barracks, but as Dog says, it should not be representative of ANY that soldiers, sailors or airmen should be housed in. To dismiss it as just more CNN propaganda is not the right approach. There IS a systematic problem with budgeting and conditions for returning vets, otherwise there would not have been such a hoopla over the conditions at Walter Reed (or was that just a typical CNN exaggeration). IF it were an exaggeration, in either case, you would not have an almost instant apology from the Commanding Officers, at least you would have had a statement from the Pentagon and Army Command stating that this was NOT typical of Army Barracks. Instead of a normal response (that one would expect if this were indeed meritless), the Military is reacting as if it was unaware of the extent of the situation and moving forward to make it better. Also, this story was not broken on CNN, but was broken by the father of a trooper who was returning from Afghanistan, and was disgusted by the conditions he saw awaiting his son. Dismiss it if you want and pretend everything is hunky dory, but there are continuing stories coming out (from sources other than CNN as well) about issues with the VA, hospitals, etc..., that should at least be investigated. As I recall, Vets returning from Vietnam who complained about side effects from Agent Orange WERE dismissed as lightly as you dismiss this report, and these conditions.
Further, while I will agree I have noted stories at times that are definitely anti-Administration, I can't say that I've seen stories which targeted the miliatry or the soldiers. I think MOST of us have learned from the mistakes of Vietnam.
|
|
|
Re: Army Living
|
Joined: Feb 2005
Posts: 20,096 Likes: 2
Fe Butt
|
|
Fe Butt
Joined: Feb 2005
Posts: 20,096 Likes: 2 |
(I KNOW I should stay out of this BUT........) Quote:
"Honestly if it were not mentioned here I dont think most of us would have heard about it."
I "think" that was the point here, Kevin.
Ya know, everything can't or SHOULDN'T always be "Ain't we Americans GREAT!" in the news.
(sometimes a little muckraking can be a good idea as long as it's put into perspective by the public, which is OUR RESPONSIBILY to perform!)
Yep! Just like a good Single Malt Scotch, you might call me "an acquired taste" TOO.(among the many OTHER things you may care to call me, of course)
|
|
|
Re: Army Living
|
Joined: Jan 2005
Posts: 18,825
"Lighten up, Francis."
|
|
"Lighten up, Francis."
Joined: Jan 2005
Posts: 18,825 |
Whoas. There I go canceling a post rather than hitting 'Continue'...
|
|
|
Re: Army Living
|
Joined: Feb 2005
Posts: 20,096 Likes: 2
Fe Butt
|
|
Fe Butt
Joined: Feb 2005
Posts: 20,096 Likes: 2 |
Quote:
Whoas. There I go canceling a post rather than hitting 'Continue'...
There's that "strategy" workin' for ya again, huh John?! 
(I just can't seem to ever get the hang o' that, can I?!)
Yep! Just like a good Single Malt Scotch, you might call me "an acquired taste" TOO.(among the many OTHER things you may care to call me, of course)
|
|
|
Re: Army Living
|
Joined: Mar 2006
Posts: 2,527
Loquacious
|
|
Loquacious
Joined: Mar 2006
Posts: 2,527 |
Perhaps. It is true that CNN can be relied upon to blow out of proprotion stories that can or might be construed by non military or non former military types as being relevant to the greater good in terms of what is and what is not important as a matter of military effectiveness.
Hollywood does the same or does its best to imply a negative implication as well. (another story but oh so true)
I have slept in a few old and decrepit barracks back in the day. I slept on a cot or on the ground a few times.
I am sure many of us who have had the honor of serving can relate incidences of less than stellar accomodations.
My point is that the story is probably misconstrued by many and is largely unimportant in the grand scheme.
The American military is now and has been for many many decades the best equipped, best trained , and most effective fighting force in the world.
No need to rub their noses in a miniscule apparation as this.
That is my point. Your all welcome of course to yours as well.
"Proud to be an Infidel" ... "100% pure American Jingoist"
|
|
|
Re: Army Living
|
Joined: Jan 2005
Posts: 7,630 Likes: 7
Monkey Butt
|
|
Monkey Butt
Joined: Jan 2005
Posts: 7,630 Likes: 7 |
Military personnel are often required to care for their own quarters. With the exception of the Air Force that has been the norm rather than the exception for over two centuries. During WWII it was common for troops to rehab ratholes for quarters. I know we did it as least through the 1990’s. It was nice when you didn’t have to do it but it was not a surprise when you did.
We all like to think of ourselves as rugged individualists. But when push comes to shove most of us are sheep who do what we are told. Worst of all, a lot of us become unpaid agents of whoever is controlling the agenda by enforcing the current dogma on the few rugged individualists who actually exist.
|
|
|
Re: Army Living
|
Joined: Jun 2005
Posts: 2,477
Oil Expert
|
|
Oil Expert
Joined: Jun 2005
Posts: 2,477 |
Dude, 'Clinging to God and my guns!'????? LOVE it!!! How about: 'Anutha mama for Obama!'??
Last edited by JCBullen; 04/29/2008 6:06 PM.
JB
"Long live the Duck Force!"
|
|
|
Re: Army Living
|
Joined: Feb 2005
Posts: 20,096 Likes: 2
Fe Butt
|
|
Fe Butt
Joined: Feb 2005
Posts: 20,096 Likes: 2 |
Quote:
The American military is now and has been for many many decades the best equipped, best trained , and most effective fighting force in the world.
Agreed!!!
Quote:
No need to rub their noses in a miniscule apparation as this.
Disagree. Everybody and every organization needs a little criticism from time to time...BECAUSE...nobody and no organization is perfect or perfectly ran.
Quote:
That is my point. Your all welcome of course to yours as well.
Well, please excuse me for possibly appearing presumptuous here Kevin, but I think your point (often) really is that, for right or wrong, you feel there are certain "Sacred Cows" in the world that should be immune to criticism of any sort.
(and that's my opinion)
Yep! Just like a good Single Malt Scotch, you might call me "an acquired taste" TOO.(among the many OTHER things you may care to call me, of course)
|
|
|
Re: Army Living
|
Joined: Mar 2006
Posts: 2,527
Loquacious
|
|
Loquacious
Joined: Mar 2006
Posts: 2,527 |
We all have our opinions and its simply mine that particular elements of media who tend to lean in a clearly defined direction tend to make a big deal of every little instance of plumbing problems that occur throughout our society.
This one is indeed a plumbling problem that I am sure will be fixed and I am also quite sure it is not the rule but a rare exception.
CNN and others media outlets just have no appreciation of the job our military and the individual soldiers are doing cleaning up the massive sewage spills that occur throughout the world.
Showing appreciation for that instead of trying to attach some major failure of attention to detail to the living conditions of our soldiers based on one single backed up sewer is what I'm talking about.
Criticize away if you will and they do......but the American military suffers far more criticism from those particular elements than they deserve both as an institution and a necessity to our way of life in proportion to the reality of whatever problem is being advertised at the moment.
CNN seems to fail to grasp that concept.
Whether it be a backed up sewer in a single barrack at Fort Bragg or isolated incidents that occured at Abu Grab a few years ago.
CNN falls upon this stuff like sharks following a trolling fishing boat. Opportunistic predators with the scruples of same.
Blow it up and as far out of proportion as possible. Sell that dirty laundry. Kick em when their up. Kick em when their down. It means nothing to CNN.
"Proud to be an Infidel" ... "100% pure American Jingoist"
|
|
|
Re: Army Living
|
Joined: Feb 2005
Posts: 20,096 Likes: 2
Fe Butt
|
|
Fe Butt
Joined: Feb 2005
Posts: 20,096 Likes: 2 |
Okay Kev, I give up.
What say we just agree that CNN, CBS, NBC, ABC(notice if you will how I so "insightfully" fail to include FOX on this list here)..and...ummm...lets not forget "Hollywood", and ANYBODY else who dares criticize our beloved country is out to destroy it, and we'll just leave it at that, okay?!
(wait a minute...I think I also remember BBC America doin' a couple of rather negative reports about the U.S.A. recently too, so let's not forget to include those darn Limey's on that list up there also!!!)
Yep! Just like a good Single Malt Scotch, you might call me "an acquired taste" TOO.(among the many OTHER things you may care to call me, of course)
|
|
|
Re: Army Living
|
Joined: Jan 2005
Posts: 1,933 Likes: 3
Learned Hand
|
|
Learned Hand
Joined: Jan 2005
Posts: 1,933 Likes: 3 |
If this point has been made forgive me, but take a close look at the picture. The bathroom, aside from the sewage backing up is SPOTLESS in typical military fashion!
What that says to me the pictures are exploiting a sewage failure system to make it look like the the place is the shyte to make a point.
In 1978 I was stationed on an isolated duty base with the Marines, I had to treat the base water supply by super chlorinating the water because it was contaminated by a septic system. Was it a shame? Our water was taken care of and monitored by me. The Corps didn't invest for the repairs because they weer not sure how long we were going to be there.
The Military is about hardships and over coming. I have been there and done it. Better for it.
City of Superior, WI has problems with it's sewer system too and it back up into folk's basements with raw sewer...never heard National news cover that one, year after year after year.
|
|
|
Re: Army Living
|
Joined: Feb 2007
Posts: 23,217 Likes: 61
Fe Butt
|
|
OP
Fe Butt
Joined: Feb 2007
Posts: 23,217 Likes: 61 |
No Eddy they showed many more pictures on the TV broadcast. The bathroom flooding is only 1 of many problems with that building. I never meant to knock the military or the country I love and am proud to be a citizen of. Just that that building should not have been housing anyone. There are sewage lines that come up into living quarters that have tissue stuffed in them to keep sewage gases out among other problems. Hardships are fine and to be expected in the field but not at Ft Bragg. Thats state side and should at the very least be livable. I am happy the service men here say it's the exception rather than the rule but in my opinion it shouldn't be at all in the US borders , just as Walter Reed shouldn't have been in the condition it was in either.
I learned all I need to know about life by killing smart people and eating their brains.
Eat right ,Exercise ,Stay fit, Die Anyway!
|
|
|
Re: Army Living
|
Joined: Jan 2005
Posts: 3,954
Loquacious
|
|
Loquacious
Joined: Jan 2005
Posts: 3,954 |
Eddy, that is only one part of the picture. The paint is peeling pretty much everywhere, the bathroom is pretty much a major ##########, and the place is pretty much unacceptable for what would be considered acceptable for a homeless shelter, but it's "OK" for our troops. I was fortunate when I was in the Navy from 85-91, without exception, the Navy barracks I was billeted in were pretty ok. Some others on this board had to repaint, repair, etc..., and did it without complaint. That's not the point, the point is, we talk a big game about doing the best for our troops, about respecting them, yet we have a dismal report about Walter Reed, the GI Bill is not paying for vets tuitions, the VA is not taking care of our vets like they should, and now this. In what way is this "respecting and taking care of our troops"? The Army has already openly admitted these barracks are due for demolition, which tells me that maintenance is probably sketchy at best (do you dump tons of money into a car you're going to scrap?), so how is it wrong that CNN brings this to light (but again, it was actually YouTube where it was posted so was already out in the public)
Also, I hope our military is in far better shape than it was in '78, I would consider the 70's to be the low point of military pride and conditions. We should be doing better today.
Last edited by Bayern710; 04/29/2008 9:04 PM.
|
|
|
Re: Army Living
|
Joined: Jan 2005
Posts: 3,954
Loquacious
|
|
Loquacious
Joined: Jan 2005
Posts: 3,954 |
Quote:
CNN and others media outlets just have no appreciation of the job our military and the individual soldiers are doing cleaning up the massive sewage spills that occur throughout the world.
Not that I'm a Nancy Grace fan (wife is, my misfortune), but as I recall, she honors one of our fallen vets EVERY single night on her show, as do other programs on that network.(can't say as I recall seeing that on Bill O'Reilly or Sean Hannity's shows) How is this not appreciating the job of our troops. And again, most of the stories I see about the what the troops are facing over there are very complimentary of the challenges and hardships that our troops are facing, CNN talks about that quite a bit, and focuses a lot on the families as well. Yes, they also spend a lot of time talking about what's not going right, but just because it took W until last year to finally admit that everything wasn't sunshine and flowers over there doesn't mean the rest of us had to wait for him to admit it or figure it out. Yes, they are doing an f'ing fantastic job over there, but it ain't all ticker-tape parades and love-fests every day like we were told to believe by Fox and the Administration until almost mid-2007 (when the need for the Surge was finally admitted), according to CNN or not (my source is a charity worker who helped bring an Iraqi girl over for medical treatment and was in regular contact with relief workers and Iraqi families in the thick of it, and I'm pretty sure she's not affiliated with CNN)
Last edited by Bayern710; 04/29/2008 9:02 PM.
|
|
|
|
|
