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I have a 2007 Speedmaster and want to upgrade the exhaust. I think I've narrowed down to the TOR or the pipes from Bub (from British Customs). Either way I go I'd install do with the air box removal. Any suggestions? Do any of you guys have experience with either system? I'm looking for loud...but certainly not obnoxious. I want the engine to sound like an engine.
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I have the BuBs, and really like 'em! Pulled some pretty good #'s on the dyno at last year's NH Rally. Here's a link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6PwyOg-LKjkNote: for optimum audio play on a system with a subwoofer The read-outs for all the dyno's are posted with specs. http://dinqua.com/Triumph/NHDynos/Happy hunting! Vroom, vroom Uncle Charlie
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Just got a set of short TOR fitted. Nice note to them loud but not stupid. Sounds real nice accelerating out of corners.
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I personally don't like the TORs,I had a set on my bike and they are too tinny sounding to me and not loud enough. I have heard the Bubs and they sound OK but I like my gutted stockers better and they only cost me a little time.
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if I went the gutted route...how did you ensure that the performance wasn't negatively affected? that route is tempting since it's a pretty big upfront investment.
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Uncle Charlie - did you go with an air box removal as well? What was the increased performance (hp) at the rear wheel? What was the impact to your overall fuel economy? and...if you don't mind me asking...what was the price of your pipes and where did you pick them up? By the way...the bike sounds great.
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I have a stock air box with the snorkle removed, UNI filter
45/135 1 shim on a stock needle. I think I had 65.34rwhp and
about 50ft/lbs w/a pretty flat torque curve. The a/f curve
was pretty flat as well, but she runs a little on the rich side.
Rich is better than lean, and she pulls!
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And if I wanted good fuel economy, I'd ride a moped.
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I like my TORs. They give just a medium rumble at takeoff. But they are definately not loud.
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if I went the gutted route...how did you ensure that the performance wasn't negatively affected? that route is tempting since it's a pretty big upfront investment.
Just be sure you don't remove the reducer cone where the pipes meet the headers. Then jet for where you live and amount of gutting.The reducer cone is important so you don't lose bottom end torque.
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I like me Bubs.  I almost went with TORs and am really glad I didn't. I'm hanging onto my stock pipes, just in case, and have no plans to gut them.
Blue/White 2007 TBA, Thruxton needles, Unifilter, AI removed, Polaris Bellmouth, Bubs, Nology Coils/wires, Lightbar, Ricor Intiminators, Hagon Nitros, Tall Sissy Bar w/luggage rack, Dart flyscreen & Lowers. 130 Mains, TrueGel Battery MG12-BS.
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Let me add to this. The Bubs, along with Thunderbike pipes, are, as far as I know for absolute certainty, the only two manufacturers that have actually spent a great deal of time and money tuning the pipes to balance perfectly with our bikes. Thus they are the ones that offer the best breathing and superior performance. Now before everyone jumps all in my poop, rremember that the other guys (Sceptre, SS, Epco etc) all make mighty fine products, they have just not spent the time with dynos and engineers (not like mert that drive a train type engineer....) to tune their pipes for performance, they just sound better and some work just fine, just not as fine as Bubs or Thunderbike. So, my vote is for the Bubs all the way. I have also owned TORs, even have a spare set in the garage, (wanna sound like a fart machine? Use the TORs  ) and now the Thunderbike pipes. If I had to get another set, they would be either the bubs or Thunderbike. Probably the bubs since I already have the Tpipes. They were actually what I was trying to get when I bought my Tpipes, but Bubs were very hard to come by and slow in the manufacture end for the long slash cuts. By the way, the Bubs are also the pipes that Bill Gately ( Bonneville Performance ) receoomend for his Mikuni HSR42 setups.
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Quote:
Let me add to this.
The Bubs, along with Thunderbike pipes, are, as far as I know for absolute certainty, the only two manufacturers that have actually spent a great deal of time and money tuning the pipes to balance perfectly with our bikes. Thus they are the ones that offer the best breathing and superior performance.
Now before everyone jumps all in my poop, rremember that the other guys (Sceptre, SS, Epco etc) all make mighty fine products, they have just not spent the time with dynos and engineers (not like mert that drive a train type engineer....) to tune their pipes for performance, they just sound better and some work just fine, just not as fine as Bubs or Thunderbike.
So, my vote is for the Bubs all the way.
I have also owned TORs, even have a spare set in the garage, (wanna sound like a fart machine? Use the TORs ) and now the Thunderbike pipes. If I had to get another set, they would be either the bubs or Thunderbike. Probably the bubs since I already have the Tpipes. They were actually what I was trying to get when I bought my Tpipes, but Bubs were very hard to come by and slow in the manufacture end for the long slash cuts. By the way, the Bubs are also the pipes that Bill Gately ( Bonneville Performance ) receoomend for his Mikuni HSR42 setups.
Is that why my friends have been calling me an "old fart" lately. Now if I could just rigg it for some smell, I'd be really annoying and happy! 
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Fast Eddy sells 'em Fast Eddy Pretty sure it includes shipping. Eddy you there????? Hello?????
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Found these Bubs on eBay, if you haven't seen them yet: Bub Exhaust on eBay
Blue/White 2007 TBA, Thruxton needles, Unifilter, AI removed, Polaris Bellmouth, Bubs, Nology Coils/wires, Lightbar, Ricor Intiminators, Hagon Nitros, Tall Sissy Bar w/luggage rack, Dart flyscreen & Lowers. 130 Mains, TrueGel Battery MG12-BS.
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I had the long TOR's on my bike for awhile. After a couple thousand miles they got really raspy sounding. Not so much deep, just loud. Sorta like a VW Beetle with a glasspak.
I'd look elsewhere for making the engine "sound like an engine"...
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BUBS make my bike for me. Love them.
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Pretty sure it includes shipping. Eddy you there????? Hello?????
Yes, I am here, My rpice that I cannot list on my site is $398 with shipping included just like Dennis Kirk...but they doesn't have the advertising rules I do...I guess.
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Eddy....can you supply the chrome solo rear fender rack. I'm relatively new here and need one as well as a few other items. Thanks. Don
I like the tubular one.
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Thanks for the info. I'd be interested to find out if anyone has heard the bub pipes on a speedmaster or america next to the SS pipes from Dale. Are the bubs or SS louder? Does one system have a deeper tone than the other?
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I like my Bubs so much that I snagged these for back-up. Actually, Bucky got 'em for me 'cause I'm not an Ebayer Quote:
Found these Bubs on eBay, if you haven't seen them yet: Bub Exhaust on eBay
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I'm also interested Capt in knowing what the bubs sound like cos if they aren't too loud or obnoxious I'll probably buy a set cos I want my bike to be able to breath properly and I don't think the Tors I inherited cut it in this area. Anyway, can anyone tell me if this is indicative of what bubs sound like cos they do sound pretty loud. Mind you, I wouldn't mind so much if I could find a set of good breathing pipes that were acceptable when plugging along but louder when the throttle is given a fist full. BTW, I've just asked Eddy for a quote to send bubs from the US to Aus as his prices are as usual very competitive and, I know he works Really hard at keeping freight cost down.
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The Bubs in this clip appear to be "Dresser Dogs", which I
don't think are available anymore. They do sound good tho!
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Do you have bubs charlie cos I can look at your youtube clip to hear what they sound like if that's the case?
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I have the Bubs slashcuts, and that's what's on the vid clip
on the dyno. I had a set of what I think were the first
edition of the short TORs. They sounded so bad I gave them
away, and paid the shipping just to get them out of my shop.
I've heard most of the available choices side by side with
the Bubs. I think the Thunderbikes sound the best, slightly
deeper than the Bubs, and a little quieter, but they cost
twice as much, and don't give as much performance gain.
Rob's SS's sounded good, side by side, in his garage,
But I think the Bubs give you a little more grunt, when
set up right.
I'm no expert, but I know what I like. I like the Bubs.
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Thanks Charlie, I believe you are pretty accurate when you said Quote:
I think the Thunderbikes sound the best, slightly
deeper than the Bubs, and a little quieter, but they cost
twice as much, and don't give as much performance gain
Also another factor that has scared me away from the thunderbikes is how a number of our fellas have said they have had quality issues with the chroming. Well for the sort of money they want I'm not about to risk it.
Finally, the bubs have Pat's tick of approval, and just think, to know that when I'm tuning up my bike, I will be able to get the best potential from her possible. That has to be a good feeling  .
BTW, Fast Eddy again has done his research and given me a top quote to ship them to my place in Aus. So now it's getting very close to decision time and I haven't even mentioned it to my missus 
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I've had the pleasure of meeting Pat many times,
He knows what he's talking about, and I've learned a lot from him.
Plus he's a great guy.
Eddy is a great guy as well, and an asset to this site.
Haven't met him in person yet, but we talked on the phone.
He helped me get some shocks in a hurry for a CT tech day.
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Thanks again for all the info guys. Does anyone know if the bubs baffles are easy to remove and re-pack if I want to quiet them down a bit. Sounds like this isn't a problem with the SSs. A horrible decision to make without actually being able to hear the pipes on your model of bike first....ARGH!!!
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Why would you want to quiet them down?!?  They sound great loud. There are two rivets holding the baffles in and they are pretty easy to remove. I took mine out to make it louder, not quieter, so am not sure how easy it would be to put new rivets or bolts in, but I can't imagine its too bad.
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P.S., agreed, making a decision on hundreds of dollars on pipes without hearing them first sucks. The sound bites online weren't really all that helpful. Made the TORs sound decent (which they aren't!), and doesn't do justice to the bubs (which I think sound better than the recorded sound bites).
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I agree, sound bytes don't give a good representation ,especially if you are looking to hear how loud they will be. If you turn your volume up they sound loud if you turn your volume down not so loud.I have short slash cut TORs that I had on my SM and I didn't like the sound at all. Too quiet and kinda if tin can sounding. Didn't sound bad when I was hard on the throttle though. I had the straight through type.
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