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Was talking to a co-worker and former Indian dealer employee - I guess Indian has been contacting their old dealers about carrying the new line. Rumor has it the the new Chief is starting at $30k plus. The local dealer declined to take on the new line.
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Wonder if they can revive the icon? 2009 Indian 
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Nice looking bike, but if what I heard on the pricing is accurate - it's going to be tough.
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Nice, but $30,000. To rich for me.
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July '09 you'll be able to buy Indian's assets at auction. 
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Nice, but $30,000. To rich for me.
Yeah, especially if you're going to have to pay BlackHawk Motors $4K to sort out that Power Plus motor so it's rideable.
Still, it's a iconic look and marque and it would be nice to see it succeed.
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I love the lines. Wish they would make it. But with the price tag, and the years of negative history, I just don't think it's gonna happen. Shame.
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I can't wait to see the new Indians come out.
Prolly around the same time as the 1700 Triumph Mystery Bike.
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Wow 30K. I'll take 2 rockets. With that price the "sales lady" should take you in the back.
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$30,000 is beyond rediculous. Especially ,like stated above, with the bad rep they have developed. They would do better to sell more for less, unless they are so far in the hole they can't and if thats the case they are doomed any way you look at it. As for the power plus, I would hope they were smart enough to sort that out before this new run.
I like the lines myself but still way too much money,I would buy a Rocket III and all the parts to build a hard tail with a long springer like my old chopper with a Speedmaster engine.
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for 30 grand i would build my own custom they come with S&S engines anyway 250 rear tyre air ride and custom paint i think that would be more individual than a factory stock bike even if it comes with the indian badge i would not get one just dont like the style or the price 
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I guess the biggest problem is in production numbers. It cost a lot more to produce a bike with limited production. They won't be making them in numbers anywhere near Triumph much less Harley.
When they resurrected Chris Craft Boats, they were very pricey compared to other boats. It becomes a matter of making a profit or not. Look what OCC's production bikes cost. I'm sure they will sell all they can make initially. People are paying that for Screaming Eagle Harleys and they sell all they make.
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Some good points there Bob, but as has been said before about these pricey new Indians, the "bread and butter" of the Harley line is the Sportster, and there isn't any $10,000 Indian Scout anywhere in their business plan, and so we're talkin' VERY limited production here.
And I'm not sure if you can compare OCC's success with this venture because OCC became a "media darling" and well known to the mass audience, and thus had the ability to not only charge more for their machines due to their fame, but also has made a whole heck of a lot of money through the licensing their brand name in the mass market.
Though I wish Indian a lot of luck here, I too just don't see them making a go of this for any length of time.
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Some good points there Bob, but as has been said before about these pricey new Indians, the "bread and butter" of the Harley line is the Sportster, and there isn't any $10,000 Indian Scout anywhere in their business plan, and so we're talkin' VERY limited production here.
That's banging the nail square on the head Mr. D. Without some other bike to fund the production line with cash flow it will have to be a limited run; not that a mostly hand built Indian would be a such bad thing. They'll just have to market to the upscale biker crowd.
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They'll just have to market to the upscale biker crowd.
I agree and think that's what they are aiming for. I don't think they are looking to take on HD head on.
Pity about the previous attempt. I was very close to adding the "Spirit" model to my stable (I have never owned an American bike and I like the Indian idea ... as opposed to the Victory).
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Bedouin,
If you could find one of the pre-Power Plus new era Indian's it would be a pretty good buy since it uses all S&S power and tranny. And you're right, the Spirit, Scout and Springfield struck me as very desirable machines. A full-on Chief just looks a little "heavy" for my tastes.
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Will this actually be the 2nd Indian come back or did I miss one?
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I think it's about the third or fourth. Without a low end cash cow model, they are pretty much doomed. The Excelsior revival was a really well engineered bike and it failed after a couple months of production because they only had a top line.
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Wow 30K. I'll take 2 rockets. With that price the "sales lady" should take you in the back.
Do you mean back room or...no, never mind. 
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If Big Dog and Iron Horse can sell for 30s to 40s anything can sell 
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I guess I must not be "retro" enough cause them are some uuuuugly motorcycles.
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I hope they do well, but at 30 grand the only people who buy them weill be rich collectors i.e. that Leno idiot.
then they will only get ridden one or twice a year.
The percentage you're paying is too high-priced
While you're living beyond all your means
And the man in the suit has just bought a new car
From the profit he's made on your dreams
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Wonder if they've gotten the Power Plus problem areas sorted out...that's what killed them before. And really, whose idea is that muffler? It absolutely doesn't suit the rest of the package.
A positive attitude may not solve all your problems, but it will annoy enough people to make it worth the effort. Herm Albright (1876 - 1944)
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Kinda agree Chy. Like the looks of the Spirit and Scout though.
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The base price for the decked-out Vintage is $34,499, and comes with a two-year warranty, as do all the models.
And that does not include the two tone paint upgrade.
Are you kidding me! Wonder what the Jay Leno special edition will cost, jesus!
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I like the bike, wonder if they are going to call that engine the bottle cap. The top of them kinda looks like a bottle cap. They will not make it at $30,000 a pop they need a lower priced cash cow.
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I like the bike, wonder if they are going to call that engine the bottle cap. The top of them kinda looks like a bottle cap. They will not make it at $30,000 a pop they need a lower priced cash cow.
Yep, "Bottle Cap" is what the vtwin mags have been calling the older Power Plus in their custom pages. That is, after Blackhawk Motors gets through rebuilding them so they're rideable.
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And here I thought I was being original!
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 $30,000.00+ WOW !!! that is three (3) Triumphs with enough left over for some cool riding gear.. 
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The last real Indian was built in 1953.
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Welp, I guess Indian isn't appealing to the mid-sized cruiser market.  You'd have to have a few bucks to throw around to get a new Indian.
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The last real Indian was built in 1953.
I heard that!
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But these are real pretty! And I'll bet they go farther then the old relics. They better for that cost!
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The last real Indian was built in 1953.
Yep ..akin to a Harla-suki or Kawa-Davidson......not the same as the real thing....but they look simular,,,,to bad the old Indiam motor-bike company could not have found a way to continue....Polaris's Victory seems to be doing well so there is obviously room for more than one American moto mfg......but....$30 K is a lot of money....I remimber when you road a bike if "that was all you could afford" now you ride one only if you have the disposable income to afford one
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I still think Indian will go belly up if they don't make some sort of affordable cash cow line, make a Scout for $8,000 to $10,000 US dollars and make a limited amount of the $30,000 bike. You could just about buy 2 Rocket IIIs and get more motorcycle, or buy a Rocket III and and America and a Speedmaster. Plus the way the US economy is going it's a bad time to launch a top dollar over priced machine.
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Somehow I think the Stellican boys have done their math.
Also, with 'premium' products (provided they are not rubbish and/or problem-ridden) the state of the market/economy seldom plays a role.
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...but the '09 is soooo purdy 
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Somehow I think the Stellican boys have done their math.
Also, with 'premium' products (provided they are not rubbish and/or problem-ridden) the state of the market/economy seldom plays a role.
I agree, they're not out of line with other US builders that have limited output. And, I don't think they're trying to overcome builders like HD or Victory, I think they're shooting for the disposable income market that's icon oriented.
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