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Who? Who are they? Who do they work for, and what are they saying? This is a myth. "They" don't exist. I'd like to see one single name of an impartial person who doesn't work for a company with a vested interest.
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And the Ideal temp is one you can ride your bike in.
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You ask me for a list then tell me who not to put on it?
Thank you for proving my point sir.
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First off, I have no doubt that global warming is a fact. But, considering that the glaciers that once covered most of North America were seriously melted before mankind learned how to make fire, I do doubt that blaming it all on un-natural causes is anything more than Ermal whining, "Did I do that?". Mankind claiming to cause global warming is nearly as big an ego trip as assuming that the universe rotates around the earth. Let's face it, there have been some really big temperature swings on this planet over the millenia and the most we could do is help it along just slightly.
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Those poor Polar Bears!
 funny you should mention this,
Right now the debate is going on about putting polar bears on the endangered list.
That would in effect stop any further oil exploration in the polar region. And It would enable enviro"mental"ists to sue companys they felt where contributing to "global warming".
Polar bears... they eat seals dont they? Eskimos eat seals too. that means Eskimos and Polar Bears compete for food. Do polar bears also eat Eskimos?Have there been any documented attacks by polar bears on Eskimos? If so what is the yearly
total of attacks?.Has anyone asked the Eskimos what they think of polar bears?Is Eskimo the proper PC word to call Eskimos?
I got a letter form the "world wildlife fund" asking me for a donation to help save the polar bears. Thought about putting a couple ice cubes in it and sending it back.But a wet envelpoe at the post office could trigger a scare.
And besides i'm saving all my junk mail now to burn for heating fuel nest winter...
Nope I think I will side with the Eskimos on this one.
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My favorite is the warming guys insisting that the sun could have nothing to do with it.  They'll blame cow farts and lawn mowers but not that big thermonuclear furnace in the sky 
We all like to think of ourselves as rugged individualists. But when push comes to shove most of us are sheep who do what we are told. Worst of all, a lot of us become unpaid agents of whoever is controlling the agenda by enforcing the current dogma on the few rugged individualists who actually exist.
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My favorite is the warming guys insisting that the sun could have nothing to do with it.
They'll blame cow farts and lawn mowers but not that big thermonuclear furnace in the sky
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Ahh! Well see, THIS is where I disagree with ya Jack!
Ya see, I'm ALL FOR any organization whose purpose is to protect all them wild creatures out there that have the potential to EAT PEOPLE!!! 'Cause there's entirely TOO MANY of those suckers runnin' around on this planet ALREADY!(I'm talkin' people here)
And soooooo, I ALWAYS send my 20 bucks to the World Wildlife Fund every year, so that those Polar Bears, Cougars(no, I'm NOT talkin' about those older ladies out on the hunt for younger guys here, mind you), and Coyotes(though the Coyotes usually only prey on the little people out there, but that IS the next generation of people too ya know, so that's good, right?!), and basically ALL those big wild carnivores capable of thinning the human herd can continue to exist JUST for this purpose ALONE!!!!
(do ya BLAME ME???!!!...I mean COME ON Jackson...earthquakes, fires, floods, war and pestilence just don't seem to be up to the task anymore and this process definitely needs to be helped along by any and all of those remaining critters out there, dude...RIGHT???!!!)
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All the evidence over the last ten years is that the hoaxers are wrong.
All the evidence? Really?
Again I say, show me the money.
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Funny how a guy who won the Nobel Peace Prize and an Oscar for his “proof†of global warming is being disowned by adherents to his hoax.
Who is disowning him? Again you are spouting off all these words without any clear backing.
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Just out of curiosity, can you prove that those you accuse of whoring for Exxon are actually doing so or is that just a slur to discredit them? And even if they were, is that worse than whoring for leftist foundations and environmentalist wacko groups?
All I am asking for is one unbiased and credible individual who has compelling evidence to counter the global warming argument. I don't think you can give me one, because I don't think there are any. The only person I can think of is Bill Gray with the atmospheric Sciences Department at Colorado State University, and his only real argument is that he doesn't believe it.
If your only argument is is to call people whackos and lefties, that's purely political and not really an argument at all.
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Dwight, you always make me laugh!
Hum, if Global Warming is man made then how come Mars is showing the same kind of patterns? Must be all those shy Martians running their machines when we aren't looking.
Why does Kyoto exempt some of the world's biggest CO2 polluters, China and India?
In the last 3,000 years there have been 5 different periods where the Earth was warmer than today.
Look, I'm all for conserving and all I have very young kids to think about after all but this issue comes down to money, just another way for politicians to tax people.
Anyways, I'm not trying to change anyone's mind, you reach your own conclusions.
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All the evidence over the last ten years is that the hoaxers are wrong.
All the evidence? Really? Again I say, show me the money.
Oh I don't know, how about NASA? Temperatures have not gone up in the last 10 years and this last winter was one of the coldest on record. Antarctic ice is building and Arctic ice packs have rebounded to 1970's levels in a single year. Look it up before you buy the hoaxers alarmism.
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Funny how a guy who won the Nobel Peace Prize and an Oscar for his “proof†of global warming is being disowned by adherents to his hoax.
Who is disowning him? Again you are spouting off all these words without any clear backing.
If you're not disowning him then why do you whine whenever we refer to him?
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Just out of curiosity, can you prove that those you accuse of whoring for Exxon are actually doing so or is that just a slur to discredit them? And even if they were, is that worse than whoring for leftist foundations and environmentalist wacko groups?
All I am asking for is one unbiased and credible individual who has compelling evidence to counter the global warming argument. I don't think you can give me one, because I don't think there are any. The only person I can think of is Bill Gray with the atmospheric Sciences Department at Colorado State University, and his only real argument is that he doesn't believe it.
The global warming proponents are even more political than those who doubt it. That is why they are defaming those who demand proof rather than alarmism. Anyone who doubts Algore and his minons are accused of being sellouts and equal to holocaust deniers. The hoaxers don't have proof but they do have clout. By the way, who amoung the alramists does not have a financial or political reason to so so?
Once again, what proof is there that global warming is man made? That the trillions of dollars the hoaxers demand we squander on stopping it will do any good?
Show ME the money before you demand I allow politicians and bureaucrats to run my life and reduce my standard of living.
We all like to think of ourselves as rugged individualists. But when push comes to shove most of us are sheep who do what we are told. Worst of all, a lot of us become unpaid agents of whoever is controlling the agenda by enforcing the current dogma on the few rugged individualists who actually exist.
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The Al Gore bit is just a joke because he spouts off about it all the time, it is obvious he didn't start it or the debate about it any more than he invented the internet (I have it on good authority he did though!  )
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This is how phoney Al Gore's film is... they used footage from "Day After Tomorrow" 100% 3D CGI. watch the little video, LOL!
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You ask me for a list then tell me who not to put on it?
Thank you for proving my point sir.
Well seems we can agree on one thing
Well, if you want to believe someone who is paid to express the company opinion, I guess that's up to you.
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Oh I don't know, how about NASA? Temperatures have not gone up in the last 10 years and this last winter was one of the coldest on record.
That's not what I'm seeing. Here's a quote from the NASA website.
GISS Surface Temperature Analysis
Global Temperature Trends: 2007 Summation
The year 2007 tied for second warmest in the period of instrumental data, behind the record warmth of 2005, in the Goddard Institute for Space Studies (GISS) analysis. 2007 tied 1998, which had leapt a remarkable 0.2°C above the prior record with the help of the "El Niño of the century". The unusual warmth in 2007 is noteworthy because it occurs at a time when solar irradiance is at a minimum and the equatorial Pacific Ocean is in the cool phase of its natural El Niño-La Niña cycle.
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Antarctic ice is building
Where do you get that? Check this out from March 2008. National Snow And Ice Data Center
Satellite imagery from the National Snow and Ice Data Center at the University of Colorado at Boulder reveals that a 13,680 square kilometer (5,282 square mile) ice shelf has begun to collapse because of rapid climate change in a fast-warming region of Antarctica.
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and Arctic ice packs have rebounded to 1970's levels in a single year. Look it up before you buy the hoaxers alarmism.
I can't find anything that says the ice has rebounded to 1970's levels.
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If you're not disowning him then why do you whine whenever we refer to him?
Because it's an ad hominem attack. It's not a real argument. It sounds political and it deflects the real issue. You are attacking the messenger and ignoring the message.
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The global warming proponents are even more political than those who doubt it. That is why they are defaming those who demand proof rather than alarmism. Anyone who doubts Algore and his minons are accused of being sellouts and equal to holocaust deniers. The hoaxers don't have proof but they do have clout. By the way, who amoung the alramists does not have a financial or political reason to so so?
I can't argue this. This is purely opinion. If you see everyone as a politician, then I guess that is your view of the world.
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Once again, what proof is there that global warming is man made? That the trillions of dollars the hoaxers demand we squander on stopping it will do any good?
First of all, asking for "proof" is a word trap. You can sit back smugly, knowing that an offering of proof can always be contested. You will say "That is not proof. That is not what I wanted. Show me the proof." over and over and over again.
A reasoned man will say show me compelling evidence. I don't know what you are looking for, or what you see to make you think the way you do, but here is what I see. This is the evidence that compels me.
I see the Keeling curve, which is just a simple graph of instrument readings. The readings are the same where ever they are taken on the globe, showing a steady, consistent, increasing rise in CO2. (currently 1.7 ppm increase per year)
I see over 700 million registered motor vehicles worldwide, and growing very fast. This doesn't include a bunch of other kinds of non-vehicle gasoline and diesel engines.
I see 3 billion barrels of oil consumed every year world wide, most of which is converted directly into CO2 (and water) by combustion.
I see over 5 billion tons of coal burned every year worldwide.
I see over 6 billion tons (and increasing) of carbon being dumped into the atmosphere every year, by conservative estimates.
(BTW, this is more than 100 times the average yearly volcanic outgassing of carbon, contrary to the guesses made in some previous posts.)
I see ongoing deforestation which diminishes the absorbtion, and increases the emission of CO2.
By understanding a little chemistry I know that CO2 absorbs certain wavelengths of radiant energy (sunlight) and produces heat. This is also true of water vapor, methane, and several other common gases found in the atmosphere.
None of this is politically contrived. These are documented facts.
These numbers are staggering. They are almost impossible to comprehend. They concern me because I understand that the atmosphere is big, but not infinite, and it has limits.
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Show ME the money before you demand I allow politicians and bureaucrats to run my life and reduce my standard of living.
I haven't demanded anything of you. I have asked you to tell me why you believe the things you do. I am trying to understand why you don't see the things I see and feel concerned as I do. I don't think Al Gore is the issue. I think a billion tailpipes and fifty thousand smokestacks are the issue.
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First off, I have no doubt that global warming is a fact. But, considering that the glaciers that once covered most of North America were seriously melted before mankind learned how to make fire, I do doubt that blaming it all on un-natural causes is anything more than Ermal whining, "Did I do that?". Mankind claiming to cause global warming is nearly as big an ego trip as assuming that the universe rotates around the earth. Let's face it, there have been some really big temperature swings on this planet over the millenia and the most we could do is help it along just slightly.
Greybeard,
How are things going down in Clovis? My GF in Albuquerque says they have been getting rain. Is that true for you?
I like your argument, but let me make a point. When the first explorers went onto the high plains, they found 60 million buffalo and the numbers seemed endless. It took from the 1840s to the 1880s to hunt them almost to extinction.
The Great Plains looked to be an unconquerable desert to the first migrants, but by the beginning of the 20th Century, the plains were completely plowed under.
The first loggers in the North Woods saw the pine forests to extend forever, but it took from the end of the Civil War until 1917 to cut down the last stand of virgin white pines.
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You ask me for a list then tell me who not to put on it?
Thank you for proving my point sir.
Well seems we can agree on one thing
Well, if you want to believe someone who is paid to express the company opinion, I guess that's up to you.
Yes, we agree.
Again you take the typical course...if somone disputes your beliefs you atempt to label and discredit them.
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Ahh! Well see, THIS is where I disagree with ya Jack!
Ya see, I'm ALL FOR any organization whose purpose is to protect all them wild creatures out there that have the potential to EAT PEOPLE!!! 'Cause there's entirely TOO MANY of those suckers runnin' around on this planet ALREADY!(I'm talkin' people here)
And soooooo, I ALWAYS send my 20 bucks to the World Wildlife Fund every year, so that those Polar Bears, Cougars(no, I'm NOT talkin' about those older ladies out on the hunt for younger guys here, mind you), and Coyotes(though the Coyotes usually only prey on the little people out there, but that IS the next generation of people too ya know, so that's good, right?!), and basically ALL those big wild carnivores capable of thinning the human herd can continue to exist JUST for this purpose ALONE!!!!
(do ya BLAME ME???!!!...I mean COME ON Jackson...earthquakes, fires, floods, war and pestilence just don't seem to be up to the task anymore and this process definitely needs to be helped along by any and all of those remaining critters out there, dude...RIGHT???!!!)
Well Dwight I find myself in somewhat agreement with you.
I recall the young moron (cant remember his name) who used to go up to Alsaka and pet the grizzlys.(you know who I'm talking about). Until one finally eat him. The only sad
thing about the incedent was that the poor young girl he persuaded to go with him (they are realy just big harmless furballs honey) was killed along with him.
I just faound a link to the story.(guess he was older thatn i thought, seems age does not always bring wisdom)
http://dwb.adn.com/front/story/4110831p-4127072c.html
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Cody, I read your post and of course I thought, "What does this have to do with me?" I decided to take this Global Warming to a personal level. The Farmer's Almanac lists daily temperatures going back to the mid-1940s. I was born in York,PA, in 1962. I decided to check the mean temperature in York for every birthday. Now it's important to check this in a consistant area. Cities, with their large amounts of concrete and asphalt, are hotter than rural areas, so an old farm that was turned into a housing development will show an increase in temperature because of that. York has been an urban center since long before I was born. Here are the results. June 15, 1962- 67.3 degrees. (No, I won't bore you with all of them) Hottest birthday, 1994- 89.7 degrees. Coldest birthday, 1971- 60.0 degrees. Average over the years- 71.7 degrees. Temperature in 2007- 61.0 degrees, third coldest in my lifetime.  The temperature goes up, the temperature goes down. It's done it before, it'll do it again. If you want to check your own history, almanac.com.
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I just faound a link to the story.(guess he was older thatn i thought, seems age does not always bring wisdom)
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The fearless former drug addict from Malibu, Calif. -- who routinely eased up close to bears to chant "I love you'' in a high-pitched, sing-song voice.
'I would be honored to end up in bear scat.'
former drug addict? sounds like some residuals were still in there on that last trip 
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Greybeard,
How are things going down in Clovis? My GF in Albuquerque says they have been getting rain. Is that true for you?
We have been getting rain about once a week. There is finally some green showing in the horse pasture, but not enough that I can stop buying hay.
This area has been getting dryer since the clovis people lived in Blackwater Draw some 10,000 years ago. The Portales springs dried up well over 100 years ago, (Los Portales = the porches, which the caves that the springs ran out of looked like) putting a serious gap in the water sources on the cattle trail that used to run through this area. Billy the Kid and a number of other outlaws and renegade indians used to hide out in the caves at times. It is thought that the drier conditions may have been why the Clovis people left.
Speaking of irresponsible harvesting of resources, the warships the Brits used to spread the empire each took some 70 acres of oak trees to build. The huge oak groves so venerated by the Druids were all cut down for this.
At any rate, global warming and cooling has been going on just the same fore millions of years with no people around to help it along.
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Ahh! Well see, THIS is where I disagree with ya Jack!
Ya see, I'm ALL FOR any organization whose purpose is to protect all them wild creatures out there that have the potential to EAT PEOPLE!!! 'Cause there's entirely TOO MANY of those suckers runnin' around on this planet ALREADY!(I'm talkin' people here)
And soooooo, I ALWAYS send my 20 bucks to the World Wildlife Fund every year, so that those Polar Bears, Cougars(no, I'm NOT talkin' about those older ladies out on the hunt for younger guys here, mind you), and Coyotes(though the Coyotes usually only prey on the little people out there, but that IS the next generation of people too ya know, so that's good, right?!), and basically ALL those big wild carnivores capable of thinning the human herd can continue to exist JUST for this purpose ALONE!!!!
(do ya BLAME ME???!!!...I mean COME ON Jackson...earthquakes, fires, floods, war and pestilence just don't seem to be up to the task anymore and this process definitely needs to be helped along by any and all of those remaining critters out there, dude...RIGHT???!!!)
Well Dwight I find myself in somewhat agreement with you.
I recall the young moron (cant remember his name) who used to go up to Alsaka and pet the grizzlys.(you know who I'm talking about). Until one finally eat him. The only sad
thing about the incedent was that the poor young girl he persuaded to go with him (they are realy just big harmless furballs honey) was killed along with him.
I just faound a link to the story.(guess he was older thatn i thought, seems age does not always bring wisdom)
http://dwb.adn.com/front/story/4110831p-4127072c.html
Saw a documentary about him with his own video, his elevator didn't go to the top floor.
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To be the voice of reason here (imagine that one! ) I think we just need to agree to disagree here. Let Cody be crazy and we know the truth!  Kidding again. But it seems plain we will not change his mind nor he ours so we reach a stalemate.
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"Doubt is not a pleasant mental state, but certainty is a ridiculous one."-Voltaire (oh sorry...this was supposed to go in the "Famous Quotes" thread....but MAYBE it's even more apropos here, huh folks?!)
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To be the voice of reason here (imagine that one! ) I think we just need to agree to disagree here. Let Cody be crazy and we know the truth! Kidding again. But it seems plain we will not change his mind nor he ours so we reach a stalemate.
I concur. Cody and the rest of the Global Warming alarmists have simply watched "The Day After Tomorrow" one two many times and took all that hyperbole to heart.
I imagine it is the kinda movie that makes tree huggers and environmentalists feel like someone gave them free Viagra.
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Cody, thank you for dredging up this stupid thread so people could spew even more vitriolic innuendo.
Sheesh
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