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http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,333351,00.htmlI'm surprised no one here tripped over this one yet. Hopefully the shooter will be spending a LOT of time behind bars for this. There are a few things hokey about their story.....
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Oh I believe their story. When I want to get someone's attention thats what I do, I run my bike into their car. I hope it's as obvious to a court of law as it is to a normal human being that these chicks hit this biker then called daddy with a story that got the poor guy killed. they should all be taken out and shot,just like him. 
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Sounds more like they cut him off, gave him the finger, after they hit him. He probably followed to get their information to take further action.
Thank goodness those girls called their armed daddy rather than the police. And double thanks that Daddy called the police after his girls hung up the phone too. Dads with guns are always the best choice over the police. If that were my boy, his safest place is in jail as his life expectancy would be seriously limited.
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Sounds more like they cut him off, gave him the finger, after they hit him. He probably followed to get their information to take further action.
Thank goodness those girls called their armed daddy rather than the police. And double thanks that Daddy called the police after his girls hung up the phone too. Dads with guns are always the best choice over the police. If that were my boy, his safest place is in jail as his life expectancy would be seriously limited.
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There is always two sides to a story and sadly no one will get to hear the riders story.
Lets hope there are some witnesses who can come forward with some information.
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LOT of 'red flags' on this story.
1. Girls say Mororcyclist cut THEM off in the Parking lot - Bike riders are pretty darn paranoid in parking lots. They tend to let the 2-ton vehicle have the right-of-way.
2. Girls say motorcyclist ran into them - see number 1 above
3. Girls say they made obscene gestures at the motorcyclist - Could be the motorcyclist was following them home to report their behavior to parents.
4. Dad was at the end of the drive way brandishing a pistol - Intent to cause harm, or at the least threatening
5. Dad shot the guy 3 times when he passed by the house a second time. Claims 'self-defense' - I believe the girls ran into the motorcyclist in the Target parking lot (hence the "collision Evidence"). The biker was following them home to report the incident to the parents. Girls got scared, mage up a story and called Dad. Dad did what Dads do, went to protect his daughters, unfortunately his first thought is to grab his .40 cal semi. Motorcyclist sees Dad in the driveway with a gun and drives past. Motorcyclist ends up turning around (cul-de-sac?? Dead end?? Guy not familiar with area and knows to get out the way he came in? Doesn't matter) and driving by the house again. Somehow, in Dad's mind (could be for any number of reasons) Dad takes this a threat and shoots the dude three times, killing him.
I cannot wait until the actual truth comes out on this. Bte I'm not too far off.
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Bet I'm not too far off.
Thats a pretty good theory you have there. Wonder how those little girls, will feel when they see their dad carted of to the big house for few years.
Of course, knowing how the justice system works here, there is every likely hood that he will have some scum bag lawyer who will get him off on a technicallity.
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If those girls are lying about the circumstances, I hope they suffer with guilt for the rest of their lives since if they lied, their lies led to the motorcyclists untimely death/murder and their dad (not really knowing what was going on) lifetime in jail.
Although, the dad was the trigger man. He ultimately could have just let the motorcyclist drive by. What made him shoot? Like a previous writer stated. Too bad no one can get the story of the motorcyclist.
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Everyone loses in that one.
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But, but, but... The poor father was merely trying to defend his daughters' innocent virginity by practicing his contitutionally guaranteed 2nd amendment right to bear arms and shoot at someone whom he presumed to be threatening him by riding a motorcycle in the public street in front of his house!!! SURELY no one could expect him to take the illogical course of calling the police and/or taking down a description and license number, and filing a complaint instead of taking things into his own hands!! The problem with the 'right to bear arms' is that there is no restriction preventing social morons or type A personality, mentally deficient A$$HATS with 'no prior record' from owning a firearm and taking this type of action (or doing what was done at NIU a few weeks back).  Had the motorcyclist come on the man's property in a physically threatening manner, then the father would have had every right to defend himself, his daughter, and his property in an appropriate manner which may OR MAY NOT have included the use of deadly force. Many areas have laws (or better known to folks in the military as 'Rules Of Engagement') which require the cessation of use of deadly force once the threat has diminished. In this case, it would appear from the description that Deadly Force was never justified, and the A$$HAT father just acted emotionally and without reason. The guy should be charged with manslaughter at the least.  Just my opinion.
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They gotta check the cellphone records, I bet the girl driving was on her cellphone and hit the guy.
But lets not totally write the motorcyclist off free and clear from this. I know that guy was hella pisd especially when your life is endangered by two retard drivers. BUT it takes a guy with a bit more nerve to follow a car all the way home instead of just getting the license plate and reporting it right away. I think he was looking for a little more than insurance information. He was probably looking for trouble and he found a bit too much.
That being said the old man shoulda had a baseball bat or an angry right hook instead of spineless pistol.
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problem with the dad's story is that he claimed self-defense by shooting at him 3 TIMES and hitting him in the BACK. Being from the South he should know, you don't win the "self-defense" argument by shooting someone in the back. Legally speaking, the motorcyclist was on his way out or leaving and the dad shot him anyway. Seems to me like there's a lot more to the story. But, like you guys said earlier, we'll never know the biker's side because of the dad. Again, the dad will never win that argument and will most likely go to jail for manslaughter while his daughter and friend will spend the rest of their lives in therapy or on drugs. I say the Georgia '08 rally pull up in his front yard and have a "candle burning" for our fallen comrade of the two-wheeled life. 
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I'll bet that the girls are lying through their teeth! Wrotten brats, I'm sure! Nowadays, the most dangerous human on the planet is a young, pretty girl in a newer car. Cell phone just makes her more lethal. (I know, that's sexist,just my experience) I wish I could count the times in the last few years when a driver (see above) cut me off in traffic on my bike, then GLARED at me as I counter steered and slammed on the brake. You can tell by their look, or their finger, that they are thinking "you almost make me hit you!!!"
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Well as a Brit reading this it is spine chilling that this sort of thing can happen. It does make me glad that we have stricter gun ownership laws in UK. I am not saying the USA laws are wrong because how can you legislate against a man who obviously is not mentally stable. My thoughts go out to the family and friends of our fallen biker. 
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problem with the dad's story is that he claimed self-defense by shooting at him 3 TIMES and hitting him in the BACK. Being from the South he should know, you don't win the "self-defense" argument by shooting someone in the back. Legally speaking, the motorcyclist was on his way out or leaving and the dad shot him anyway.
Seems to me like there's a lot more to the story. But, like you guys said earlier, we'll never know the biker's side because of the dad. Again, the dad will never win that argument and will most likely go to jail for manslaughter while his daughter and friend will spend the rest of their lives in therapy or on drugs.
I say the Georgia '08 rally pull up in his front yard and have a "candle burning" for our fallen comrade of the two-wheeled life.
yeah but like you said we'll never know the full story. Just cause he rode motorcycles doesnt mean that he wasnt a serial rapist or a murder himself. And then your burning candles on the front lawn going against what the family believes and creating more of a ruckus just like all those protesters for mumia or vietnam/iraq war.
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Anything beyond pure self-defense, which this wasn't, is vigilantism and illegal. That's why our tax dollars fund the police department, to deal with non-immediate threats, like a "menacing" motorcyclist riding on a public street. This guy's only legal recourse was to take his little princesses in the house (maybe stay outside long enough to get the license plate), lock the doors and call the police. That's it. This mammyrammer needs to be given the death penalty. Do they have that in Georgia?
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Brittany Williams, Mough's former girlfriend, "B.J. was really a good kid. All day yesterday I was dying to call him. Now it's too late."
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On top of all that you are only supposed to use equal force in self defense. Plus the shot in the back is a red flag too. I think the biker might have been looking for a fight or to put a scare into the girls so they wouldn't do anything stupid to the next poor biker. Or it is possible he couldn't see their tag and wanted info because his bike was damaged. He couldn't have been too bad since he didn't stop when he saw dad.Dad should have been out there to talk to the guy first not brandishing a gun. I may have had my gun too in his place but it would have been concealed and only pulled out if given no other choice and at that point used. I was always taught don't pull it if you aren't going to use it. I think the baseball bat is an idea but there again it should have been handy not brandished in a threatening manner until the biker made an unfriendly move.
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Bryan Joseph "B.J." Mough R.I.P.
Mough, who freelanced with Turner Broadcasting in Atlanta, was excited about buying his first motorcycle last month.
Brittany Williams, Mough's former girlfriend, "B.J. was really a good kid. All day yesterday I was dying to call him. Now it's too late."
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That is really too bad and sad.One of my best friends had finally gotten his HD that he always wanted and died of a heart attack a short time later. Couple weeks if I remember right.I seriously doubt this kid was looking for any kind of trouble that would justify shooting him. Can't rule that out at this point but I find it hard to believe.
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Who knows? The kid could've had murderous intent. But his actual actions did not justify the response. Look, I have a gun and wouldn't hesitate to shoot someone threatening me with bodily harm on my property, but this is ridiculous. Daddy needs to have an example made of him.
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It IS Georgia though, im sure that some of the jury will have the same mentality as him.
No offense to our southern riders on here...haha
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No, he'll totally get off with a slap on the wrist, time served, probation, community service or some combination thereof. There will be a bunch of breeders on the jury and the defense will talk about a father's concern for the safety of his precious little princesses. "Not guilty!"
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This is a useful example for me, though, because I could see following someone if they hit me and took off. I would follow them until they stopped and call the police to report the hit and run.
Now I'll just stop where it happens, get the license plate number and call the police right there. Maybe I should move this thread to rider safety!
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I am sure that man will be convicted of murder or at least manslaughter. If the daughters lied to save their asses the daughters will have to live with what now happens to their father. At the least it will probably bankrupt the family, plus it will mean jail time. We need to follow this to its resolution. On a personal level we witnessed one car trying to run another off the road over a 5 mile stretch on the interstate. We called 911 and the State Police said they would investigate. Never heard what happened. There are just too many idiots out there.
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It IS Georgia though, im sure that some of the jury will have the same mentality as him
So people from GA must be like this guy because it IS Georgia?
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No offense to our southern riders on here...haha
Gotcha, this makes the above comment A-OK.
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Gotcha, this makes the above comment A-OK.
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It IS Georgia though, im sure that some of the jury will have the same mentality as him
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No offense to our southern riders on here...haha
Gotcha, this makes the above comment A-OK.
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I was just poking fun but youre right, my fault I shouldve said
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just for the record fake posters are cowards
you know who you are, we dont, thats the joke, its hillarious
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Its murder, he walked out with his gun and shot a moving biker 3 times hitting him in the back on a public roadway. He carried his gun to the scene and killed the guy.
In my humble opinion its a done deal. The girls called their whacko dad and had the guy shot. He is dead meat. I figure he will not see daylight for the rest of his natural life. A Georgia jury will not feel badly for this animal. Georgia jury members did grow up with guns. Thats why they will sting him. They also grew up with responsible gun ownership from the time they were little. They above all know how wrong this clown was.
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I was just poking fun but youre right, my fault I shouldve said
EVERYONE FROM THE SOUTH LIVES UP TO THEIR STEREOTYPE
EVERYONE FROM THE NORTH LIVES UP TO THEIR STEREOTYPE
EVERYONE FROM THE EAST LIVES UP TO THEIR STEREOTYPE
EVERYONE FROM THE WEST LIVES UP TO THEIR STEREOTYPE
Oh and would you learn how to spell?
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Ah yes, the elitism is prevalent in New Jersey
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An observation is different from an argument, and I made no argument for 'gun control.' However, I observed that there are inherent weaknesses in the constitution which - specifically in this case, the second amendment - should be examined for possible amendment to update it in consideration that we are not living in the same unpopulated and mostly rural era with breech loading muskets as when this particular amendment was written. I also observe here that it is a beautiful and marvelous thing that we have a living constitution which allows it to be amended from time to time with the consent and ratification of its citizens through our sacred democratic process.
And, I happen to enjoy shooting guns myself (although I don't own one), and I support legal and humane hunting (even though I have no desire to hunt) as well as a citizen's right to defend self, home, and other property with appropriate means - to include lethal force if necessary.
But thanks for your own valued observation. I'll give it the consideration it is due and file it appropriately, so that I may refer to it if ever again I need such advice on what is and what is not 'allowed' to be said here. 
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My sincere apologies if I offended anyone by my above posting. 
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Ah yes, the elitism is prevalent in Pennsylvania
No offense to our northern riders on here...haha
Yeah I gotta remember to be more PC around here, theres some pretty old moderators from florida reading this.
Who are you voting for Obama or Clinton?...ahah
I dont live in PA, I live in New Jersey. Which means Im part of the mob, I talk with an accent and I live in the city. Right?
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I was just poking fun but youre right, my fault I shouldve said
EVERYONE FROM THE SOUTH LIVES UP TO THEIR STEREOTYPE
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EVERYONE FROM THE EAST LIVES UP TO THEIR STEREOTYPE
EVERYONE FROM THE WEST LIVES UP TO THEIR STEREOTYPE
Oh and would you learn how to spell?
Spelling? youre resorting to spelling? You really have nothing at all dude. Do you?
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You would know all about something being deep down inside. 
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Oh there we go, it took you a bit to come up with, but at least youre not attacking my spelling.
As for the picture posted ill give it a 5, you didnt create it youself judging by the copyright, so that'll hurt you in the point scale. Though im thinking you should think twice about calling me wierd (it really hurts) because in the end youre still the one hiding behind a fake name.
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Old?  Yep, you betcha. Probably better manners too. Insults are worthless unless they stick, btw. Try harder... Back on point: Dude, you backhanded Georgia and I called you on it. Get over it. btw, I fixed the post above for ya and my apologies to all the other New Jersey riders. Alter ego poster, let it go, please?
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